RE: [H] Evil or....
That's right, global oil prices fluctuate just like any other commodity, regardless of where it comes from. If oil is cheaper to produce in one country than another then the producer just makes more money, instead of the buyer getting it cheaper. And although all the financial press (and regular press) quote headline oil prices, the actual barrel price in the market varies slightly depending on the quality and properties of the crude being produces. For instance the big one in the UK is Brent crude. This is quite a light crude and is easy to process, so Shell get a good price. On the other hand another large producing field is Schiehallion (she-hal-ion), which is a heavy, waxy crude, so takes more processing and you get less light oils from it. The light oils are the most valuable. BP get less per barrel of this than they would for Brent crude. So depending on the properties of the US crude being extracted, it could be less desirable than that from other countries. Also a lot of the middle east oil is extremely cheap to extract, so technically it *could* be cheaper to buy, if it wasn't for the global oil markets setting the price rather than buyers and sellers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: 23 May 2007 01:33 To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Evil or The problem (as I understand it) is that oil gets set a price of $X no matter where it comes from. I think this price is set by the people who buy and sell oil as a commodity. The only impact they feel is that the limo is a little more expensive to run from month to month. j maccraw wrote: I stand corrected, but we're still taking about North American oil not OPEC/Arab/etc... which should not be as expensive as some other countries sources which was my point.
[H] Interesting article about the state of the US
Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm A New Improved America The Coming of God Knows What Something is wrong with the United States. I think most of us have noticed it. There is a mortal rot in the country, made manifest by many little rots that are hard to integrate mentally yet are, I think, somehow related. The change is grave, accelerating, probably irreversible, and fascinating. Things are not as they were. The United States is the most hated country on the planet, followed by, to the extent that there is a distinction, Israel. So far as I know, there are no other contenders. You can say Who cares? as many will say, or Screwem if they cant take a joke, or Id ratherh be feared than loved. All very droll. Still, it is an interesting datum. No country ever lives up to its own PR, but there was a time when America was widely admired. Now, almost universally, it is seen as a rogue state. And is. This carries a price. The US consulate in Guadalajara is part fortress, part prison, with barriers and cameras and bars and rentacops, and they take away a womans lipstick if she is going to enter. Maybe a country that fears lipstick needs to think. The French consulate around the corner is wide open, like all others that I know of. The French, Chinese, Japanese and so on arent hated. The US government now lives in its own, strange, insulated world. (2) The United States is the most militarily aggressive country on the planet, followed closely by Israel. I am aware of no other contenders. Some of this combativeness is obviousattacking Iraq for no good reason, occupying Afghanistan, threatening Syria and Iran, attacking Lebanon by proxy, bombing Somalia, putting troops in the Philippines to hunt Moslems. The US is also looking for trouble with Venezuela, threatening North Korea, moving to contain China (Doesnt a container need to be bigger than its scontents?), embargoing Cuba, pushing into Central Asia, increasing the military budget, and pushing NATO ever closer to Russia. (How stupid can you get? Very. Stay tuned.), And the Pentagon now has Africom, African Command. Africa is now Americas business. (3) Powerful domestic hostilities grip the United States. Maybe you have to be outside of it really to see it. I live in Mexico. You can go for well, five years and counting, without hearing angry talk about this or that group. In America, women hate men and men are getting sick of American women. Blacks hate whites hate Hispanics. Affirmative action engenders intense hastily that doesnt go away. It isnt the normal friction found in any country. It is serious antagonism quashed by federal force. And the black-white-brown thing has very real potential for getting nasty. This we dont talk about. (4) A curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation, a calculated manipulative Disneyland. Perhaps soon we will have Terror Mouse. Recently I was in Washington. Everywhere there were the artificialities of fear. The steel pop-up barriers in the roads, the stopem-bombs steel poles on sidewalks, the endless warnings to report suspicious behavior on loudspeakers in the subway. The searches of everything, the metal-detecting doorways even on buildings of country governments, of schools. (Schools, for Chrissakes. What is wrong here?) And of course the confiscation of shampoo at the airport. This is nuts. (5) The bullying of people entering the US. Any country has the right to determine who enters. Fine. If you dont want them to enter, dont give them visas. If you issue a visa, try to be courteous. Violeta had a visa, issued by the consulate, both times when we went to the US. Still she got bullied by the border Nazis. It was ugly. I am obviously not a Mexican, but I get the same hostile questioning as to where I am going, why I was in Mexico, and so on. It is none of their business where I go in my country. Or shouldnt be, but there are no limitations on governmental powers now. A friend, married to a Mexicana, again with a visa, got separated from her, and both got abusive questioning. She came out crying. America was not like this. Now it is. Compare this with the real world. I land in Beijingevil commie Beijing, right? Maybe twenty seconds to see whether my visa was valid, clonk of stamp, thank you, no baggage search, into a taxi. Vi and I land in Paris, en route to Italy. Glance at passport, yep, its a passport, no stamp, no nothing, on we go. Italy didnt even look at our passports. Grown-ups. I am not ashamed of the United States. It is a hell of a country. Been there, done that, loved it. In two weeks in DC with Violeta, although she is clearly not American, she was everywhere, always, treated
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
I'm happy he chose to move to Mexico.they have a lot of freedoms. An awful lot of ours guys, in many wars, died so he could have the freedom to go to a country that is not so free. I guess most of the residents down there don't see that, though, judging by how many try to sneak into our country.our hated and badly screwed up country. I wonder what that says for the author's credibility. Now it starts.. Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm A New Improved America The Coming of God Knows What Something is wrong with the United States. I think most of us have noticed it. There is a mortal rot in the country, made manifest by many little rots that are hard to integrate mentally yet are, I think, somehow related. The change is grave, accelerating, probably irreversible, and fascinating. Things are not as they were. The United States is the most hated country on the planet, followed by, to the extent that there is a distinction, Israel. So far as I know, there are no other contenders. You can say Who cares? as many will say, or Screw'em if they can't take a joke, or I'd ratherh be feared than loved. All very droll. Still, it is an interesting datum. No country ever lives up to its own PR, but there was a time when America was widely admired. Now, almost universally, it is seen as a rogue state. And is. This carries a price. The US consulate in Guadalajara is part fortress, part prison, with barriers and cameras and bars and rentacops, and they take away a woman's lipstick if she is going to enter. Maybe a country that fears lipstick needs to think. The French consulate around the corner is wide open, like all others that I know of. The French, Chinese, Japanese and so on aren't hated. The US government now lives in its own, strange, insulated world. (2) The United States is the most militarily aggressive country on the planet, followed closely by Israel. I am aware of no other contenders. Some of this combativeness is obvious-attacking Iraq for no good reason, occupying Afghanistan, threatening Syria and Iran, attacking Lebanon by proxy, bombing Somalia, putting troops in the Philippines to hunt Moslems. The US is also looking for trouble with Venezuela, threatening North Korea, moving to contain China (Doesn't a container need to be bigger than its scontents?), embargoing Cuba, pushing into Central Asia, increasing the military budget, and pushing NATO ever closer to Russia. (How stupid can you get? Very. Stay tuned.), And the Pentagon now has Africom, African Command. Africa is now America's business. (3) Powerful domestic hostilities grip the United States. Maybe you have to be outside of it really to see it. I live in Mexico. You can go for.well, five years and counting, without hearing angry talk about this or that group. In America, women hate men and men are getting sick of American women. Blacks hate whites hate Hispanics. Affirmative action engenders intense hastily that doesn't go away. It isn't the normal friction found in any country. It is serious antagonism quashed by federal force. And the black-white-brown thing has very real potential for getting nasty. This we don't talk about. (4) A curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation, a calculated manipulative Disneyland. Perhaps soon we will have Terror Mouse. Recently I was in Washington. Everywhere there were the artificialities of fear. The steel pop-up barriers in the roads, the stop'em-bombs steel poles on sidewalks, the endless warnings to report suspicious behavior on loudspeakers in the subway. The searches of everything, the metal-detecting doorways even on buildings of country governments, of schools. (Schools, for Chrissakes. What is wrong here?) And of course the confiscation of shampoo at the airport. This is nuts. (5) The bullying of people entering the US. Any country has the right to determine who enters. Fine. If you don't want them to enter, don't give them visas. If you issue a visa, try to be courteous. Violeta had a visa, issued by the consulate, both times when we went to the US. Still she got bullied by the border Nazis. It was ugly. I am obviously not a Mexican, but I get the same hostile questioning as to where I am going, why I was in Mexico, and so on. It is none of their business where I go in my country. Or shouldn't be, but there are no limitations on governmental powers now. A friend, married to a Mexicana, again with a visa, got separated from her, and both got abusive questioning. She came out crying. America was not like this. Now it is. Compare this with the real world. I land in Beijing-evil commie Beijing,
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
Time to just declare global hegemony and revisit manifest destiny. I figure about 32 governments we could topple in a week or two. Most of South America. Then, shore up forces, redivid the boarders. A big part of Africa could quickly become Empire America colonies. Sure, it might take some nukes, but more likely aomebic dysentary in the nile and amazon waterways would work more effectively. India and Pakistan, not Russia, would be terrible rivals for it, but I can't see how a rise of a muslim state for real would not cause panic amongst the old powers. While the article talks of rise of dissent in the us, its nothing compared to the barely bottled discontent in China... How quickly we forget tienemen square, or the rise in religious revolutionaries near Mongolia and free economists near Hong Kong, along with the ever growing population pressure and the soon to be unsustainable water control along the south. Call me a dark pessimist. In the end, history tells us that population and land right issues in India, Pakistan and China will force a subcontinent war wherin the death of a few million of your own population has a feasible longterm boost for the stability of your own country. While I can joke above, the reality is the US doesn't have a will to empire. That's the thing that makes many of the terrorist movements most scary is that they do have the will. They believe their empire, a global caliphate of sorts, is in the end a desire and need of the world. Let's see in 4 years, when at current population growth rate India will be more pressed per square mile then anyone else in history who did not start a war of expansion. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:00:10 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm A New Improved America The Coming of God Knows What Something is wrong with the United States. I think most of us have noticed it. There is a mortal rot in the country, made manifest by many little rots that are hard to integrate mentally yet are, I think, somehow related. The change is grave, accelerating, probably irreversible, and fascinating. Things are not as they were. The United States is the most hated country on the planet, followed by, to the extent that there is a distinction, Israel. So far as I know, there are no other contenders. You can say “Who cares?” as many will say, or “Screw’em if they can’t take a joke,” or “I’d ratherh be feared than loved.” All very droll. Still, it is an interesting datum. No country ever lives up to its own PR, but there was a time when America was widely admired. Now, almost universally, it is seen as a rogue state. And is. This carries a price. The US consulate in Guadalajara is part fortress, part prison, with barriers and cameras and bars and rentacops, and they take away a woman’s lipstick if she is going to enter. Maybe a country that fears lipstick needs to think. The French consulate around the corner is wide open, like all others that I know of. The French, Chinese, Japanese and so on aren’t hated. The US government now lives in its own, strange, insulated world. (2) The United States is the most militarily aggressive country on the planet, followed closely by Israel. I am aware of no other contenders. Some of this combativeness is obvious—attacking Iraq for no good reason, occupying Afghanistan, threatening Syria and Iran, attacking Lebanon by proxy, bombing Somalia, putting troops in the Philippines to hunt Moslems. The US is also looking for trouble with Venezuela, threatening North Korea, moving to “contain” China (Doesn’t a container need to be bigger than its scontents?), embargoing Cuba, pushing into Central Asia, increasing the military budget, and pushing NATO ever closer to Russia. (How stupid can you get? Very. Stay tuned.), And the Pentagon now has Africom, African Command. Africa is now America’s business. (3) Powerful domestic hostilities grip the United States. Maybe you have to be outside of it really to see it. I live in Mexico. You can go for…well, five years and counting, without hearing angry talk about this or that group. In America, women hate men and men are getting sick of American women. Blacks hate whites hate Hispanics. “Affirmative action” engenders intense hastily that doesn’t go away. It isn’t the normal friction found in any country. It is serious antagonism quashed by federal force. And the black-white-brown thing has very real potential for getting nasty. This we don’t talk about. (4) A curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation, a calculated manipulative Disneyland. Perhaps
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
The one trip I made to mexico I best remember by paying off two cops on fake ass tickets. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jeff Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:12:34 To:The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US I'm happy he chose to move to Mexico.they have a lot of freedoms. An awful lot of ours guys, in many wars, died so he could have the freedom to go to a country that is not so free. I guess most of the residents down there don't see that, though, judging by how many try to sneak into our country.our hated and badly screwed up country. I wonder what that says for the author's credibility. Now it starts.. Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm A New Improved America The Coming of God Knows What Something is wrong with the United States. I think most of us have noticed it. There is a mortal rot in the country, made manifest by many little rots that are hard to integrate mentally yet are, I think, somehow related. The change is grave, accelerating, probably irreversible, and fascinating. Things are not as they were. The United States is the most hated country on the planet, followed by, to the extent that there is a distinction, Israel. So far as I know, there are no other contenders. You can say Who cares? as many will say, or Screw'em if they can't take a joke, or I'd ratherh be feared than loved. All very droll. Still, it is an interesting datum. No country ever lives up to its own PR, but there was a time when America was widely admired. Now, almost universally, it is seen as a rogue state. And is. This carries a price. The US consulate in Guadalajara is part fortress, part prison, with barriers and cameras and bars and rentacops, and they take away a woman's lipstick if she is going to enter. Maybe a country that fears lipstick needs to think. The French consulate around the corner is wide open, like all others that I know of. The French, Chinese, Japanese and so on aren't hated. The US government now lives in its own, strange, insulated world. (2) The United States is the most militarily aggressive country on the planet, followed closely by Israel. I am aware of no other contenders. Some of this combativeness is obvious-attacking Iraq for no good reason, occupying Afghanistan, threatening Syria and Iran, attacking Lebanon by proxy, bombing Somalia, putting troops in the Philippines to hunt Moslems. The US is also looking for trouble with Venezuela, threatening North Korea, moving to contain China (Doesn't a container need to be bigger than its scontents?), embargoing Cuba, pushing into Central Asia, increasing the military budget, and pushing NATO ever closer to Russia. (How stupid can you get? Very. Stay tuned.), And the Pentagon now has Africom, African Command. Africa is now America's business. (3) Powerful domestic hostilities grip the United States. Maybe you have to be outside of it really to see it. I live in Mexico. You can go for.well, five years and counting, without hearing angry talk about this or that group. In America, women hate men and men are getting sick of American women. Blacks hate whites hate Hispanics. Affirmative action engenders intense hastily that doesn't go away. It isn't the normal friction found in any country. It is serious antagonism quashed by federal force. And the black-white-brown thing has very real potential for getting nasty. This we don't talk about. (4) A curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation, a calculated manipulative Disneyland. Perhaps soon we will have Terror Mouse. Recently I was in Washington. Everywhere there were the artificialities of fear. The steel pop-up barriers in the roads, the stop'em-bombs steel poles on sidewalks, the endless warnings to report suspicious behavior on loudspeakers in the subway. The searches of everything, the metal-detecting doorways even on buildings of country governments, of schools. (Schools, for Chrissakes. What is wrong here?) And of course the confiscation of shampoo at the airport. This is nuts. (5) The bullying of people entering the US. Any country has the right to determine who enters. Fine. If you don't want them to enter, don't give them visas. If you issue a visa, try to be courteous. Violeta had a visa, issued by the consulate, both times when we went to the US. Still she got bullied by the border Nazis. It was ugly. I am obviously not a Mexican, but I get the same hostile questioning as to where I am going, why I was in Mexico, and so on. It is none of
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) snip This part says it all: Americans really are good folk. The government isnt. Its the gravest problem we face, both internationally and domestically. al
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
We didn't ask for 9/11, but once it happened we had to deal with it, just like we dealt with Pearl Harbor day. Gary VanderMolen - Original Message - Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
that could be said for most ppl and governments :-) Most, anyway. fp At 12:40 PM 5/23/2007, Al Anger Poked the stick with: Americans really are good folk. The government isnt. Its the gravest problem we face, both internationally and domestically. al -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! --
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
make sure you take a lot of $5 bills with you and the Policia do not think you have not a fun place to be locked up, freedom, maybe, rights, $5 buy a lot. I use to goto Mexico, not anymore. nationalization ring a bell. At 02:33 PM 5/23/2007, Jeff Lane Poked the stick with: I'm happy he chose to move to Mexico.they have a lot of freedoms. An awful lot of ours guys, in many wars, died so he could have the freedom to go to a country that is not so free. I guess most of the residents down there don't see that, though, judging by how many try to sneak into our country.our hated and badly screwed up country. I wonder what that says for the author's credibility. Now it starts.. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! --
[H] Byelines problem
Been running this proggy for years (version 5.1.0 ) while it was a pain to get it to work in XP ( haven't tried Vista yet) all of a sudden it will not write to my sig file. I have checked security, reset Byelines with NO luck. I can manually write to the sig file no problem. Really not sure if this is a Byeline or Eudora bug, I need to check my other email proggies and see. any help or pointers appreciated. fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! --
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
Chris, Hold that thought if that is what now modifies your perspective. Somehow I don't read U as a frequent Mexico traveler. Let's not circle back on past trips/experiences. Topic is today. We have our position. You have yours. Let's leave it at that... :) Best, Duncan At 13:28 05/23/2007 -0400, you wrote: The one trip I made to mexico I best remember by paying off two cops on fake ass tickets. Sent via BlackBerry snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
I will vote for this. The Govt is not! Not even close to the folk that fund it. One day this may change. I am still waiting. I suspect it will not happen in my life time. My bad. I thought I could fix it with my one vote. Hmm. Maybe notWhat did I miss? Darn! Best, Duncan ]At 15:40 05/23/2007 -0400, you wrote: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) snip This part says it all: Americans really are good folk. The government isn't. It's the gravest problem we face, both internationally and domestically. al snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] Interesting article about the state of the US
A couple rambling thoughts.. We may be the most hated, but we're also one of the most loved--I've seen some polls that show american tourists are the most liked tourists abroad--because we tend to be rich, and to be generous tippers abroad. I faced zero animosity in Egypt, Turkey, India when I travelled last in 2001. Can't say if things has changed, but I have a friend living in Jordan and a friend in Qatar, and they're doing ok as Americans. You literally cannot walk around in a place like Egypt without tons of people coming up to you wanting to talk. and while MOST people may not like the American govt, I've found that most people are not idiots, and can separate the people from govt actions they don't like--dislike of govt is probably the most universal thing worldwide :) curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation -- is there really a state of fear? I don't think I know anyone that's afraid.. I was thinking about this the otherday...how one can find signs of the times in movies, on news, books, etc. Even shows like Battlestar Galactica just REAK of post-9/11 America. But what has REALLY changed? I know my life has not changed one iota, and I think most Americans would be hard pressed to come up with even one way in which their lives have changed. But we have it rammed down our throats that things HAVE changed--and I put most of this blame on the media! On some topics I do agree... we have too much govt in our lives. my parents were commenting the other day how when they were kids, neighborhood kids would just get together and play baseball, football, etc. nowadays everybody plays on a team. with uniforms. and are told exactly what to play, and when to do it. so i tihnk it's a bit more complicated an issue than the govt is the sole cause!! scott On May 23, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: Since it's quiet and we haven't had any political on the list recently. :) T From http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm A New Improved America The Coming of God Knows What Something is wrong with the United States. I think most of us have noticed it. There is a mortal rot in the country, made manifest by many little rots that are hard to integrate mentally yet are, I think, somehow related. The change is grave, accelerating, probably irreversible, and fascinating. Things are not as they were. The United States is the most hated country on the planet, followed by, to the extent that there is a distinction, Israel. So far as I know, there are no other contenders. You can say “Who cares?” as many will say, or “Screw’em if they can’t take a joke,” or “I’d ratherh be feared than loved.” All very droll. Still, it is an interesting datum. No country ever lives up to its own PR, but there was a time when America was widely admired. Now, almost universally, it is seen as a rogue state. And is. This carries a price. The US consulate in Guadalajara is part fortress, part prison, with barriers and cameras and bars and rentacops, and they take away a woman’s lipstick if she is going to enter. Maybe a country that fears lipstick needs to think. The French consulate around the corner is wide open, like all others that I know of. The French, Chinese, Japanese and so on aren’t hated. The US government now lives in its own, strange, insulated world. (2) The United States is the most militarily aggressive country on the planet, followed closely by Israel. I am aware of no other contenders. Some of this combativeness is obvious—attacking Iraq for no good reason, occupying Afghanistan, threatening Syria and Iran, attacking Lebanon by proxy, bombing Somalia, putting troops in the Philippines to hunt Moslems. The US is also looking for trouble with Venezuela, threatening North Korea, moving to “contain” China (Doesn’t a container need to be bigger than its scontents?), embargoing Cuba, pushing into Central Asia, increasing the military budget, and pushing NATO ever closer to Russia. (How stupid can you get? Very. Stay tuned.), And the Pentagon now has Africom, African Command. Africa is now America’s business. (3) Powerful domestic hostilities grip the United States. Maybe you have to be outside of it really to see it. I live in Mexico. You can go for…well, five years and counting, without hearing angry talk about this or that group. In America, women hate men and men are getting sick of American women. Blacks hate whites hate Hispanics. “Affirmative action” engenders intense hastily that doesn’t go away. It isn’t the normal friction found in any country. It is serious antagonism quashed by federal force. And the black-white-brown thing has very real potential for getting nasty. This we don’t talk about. (4) A curious state fear prevails in America, but it is a governmental creation, a
[H] The Laptop-Desktop trend
From The Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117987955659611510-Sn_6ulmTlec9nO34vmhvjjA5SsE_20070529.html?mod=mktw http://tinyurl.com/2udms3 Robert Turnbull, Toronto, Canada
