Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[j maccraw]

I hear ya, was just saying I don't like that
particular change. Both are great cases 
and their not Antec which mean I don't cut of my nose
to spite my face. =)

Entire height of case as 5.25" bays was an idea I
liked at lot starting with CM's 
Stacker series.

James Maki wrote:
> I guess I understand your commens, but I am running
2 optical drives and 4
> SATA drives in removeable enclosures, a floppy
drive, and then 4 more SATA
> drives internally. I could add 4 more internal
drives before the space in
> maxed out. Remove the floppy (only used for F6
installation of drivers), and
> I have another external bay available. The icydock
takes up 3 bays of 7
> total, leaving you with 4 external and 7 internal.
That's a lot of storage
> space. I find it more than sufficient. Of course,
YMMV.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: j maccraw
> 
>> If only they had not screwed with the Armor's
11-bays to make 
>> the plus I'd have considered it. 


  

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Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[James Maki]

I guess I understand your commens, but I am running 2 optical drives and 4
SATA drives in removeable enclosures, a floppy drive, and then 4 more SATA
drives internally. I could add 4 more internal drives before the space in
maxed out. Remove the floppy (only used for F6 installation of drivers), and
I have another external bay available. The icydock takes up 3 bays of 7
total, leaving you with 4 external and 7 internal. That's a lot of storage
space. I find it more than sufficient. Of course, YMMV.

Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



> -Original Message-
> From: j maccraw

> 
> If only they had not screwed with the Armor's 11-bays to make 
> the plus I'd have considered it. I was very purposeful it 
> wanting all 5.25" bays so *I* could choose how I want to 
> utilize my space. Like knowing I could put something like 
> this in later without running out of 5.25" bays for other devices.
> 
> http://www.icydock.com/product/images/MB455SPF-kit-lowres.jpg
> 
> 
> James Maki wrote:
> > I went with the Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+)
> VH6000BWS
> >
> 

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[Al]

j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> http://www.icydock.com/product/images/MB455SPF-kit-lowres.jpg

Very nice. I've found three versions, it seems:

From their website:
1) http://www.icydock.com/product/images/MB455-back-large.jpg

and some pics from vendor websites:

2) http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/MB455_04.jpg
Can't see much of this one.

3) http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-59368419805889_1996_28468677
This one looks like two drives are powered by 4 pin molex connectors
(mis-spelled "prots") and three are by sATA power cables. This design
looks like better air flow too.

We'll just have to see...

Best,
Al

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[j maccraw]

If only they had not screwed with the Armor's 11-bays
to make the plus I'd have 
considered it. I was very purposeful it wanting all
5.25" bays so *I* could choose 
how I want to utilize my space. Like knowing I could
put something like this in later 
without running out of 5.25" bays for other devices.

http://www.icydock.com/product/images/MB455SPF-kit-lowres.jpg


James Maki wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joe User
> 
>>
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armor/va8000bws.a
>>> sp
>>
>> OK thats a sweet chassis
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>>
> 
> I went with the Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+)
VH6000BWS
>

> when it was available with free shipping from newegg
(which is good because
> it weighs a ton). I have been extremely happy with
the case. It is big
> (roomy) and heavy (solid construction), but if you
are looking for a full
> sized tower, check it out. It dropped my idle temp
by 3 degrees, has room
> for 7 internal 3.5 inch druves and 7 external
3.5/5.5" drives. Front panel
> firewire, USB and eSata. Best big case I have ever
used (and the most
> expensive). Not for LAN parties!
> 
> Jim Maki
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 


  

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Re: [H] another recommendation

[j maccraw]

Seriously I won't look back because I did not want the
Nvidia chipset to come back 
and bite me on the ass for CPUs or some other surprise
as has been the history with 
680i. Thought long and hard on the video issue and was
going to get some nvidia video 
card hoping they rethought their artificial SLI only
on Nvidia chipsets but decided 
the 3870X2 was too good to pass up since someone else
was paying. Hell this rig runs 
Crysis so well, I don't think I have anything to worry
about performance wise but if 
I did there is always a second 3870X2 which is
CrossfireX and as good as SLI IMNSHO.

Ok, back to this thread...

Difference is my suggestion has a motherboard that
won't be an antique in 2 years. 
Want to to save money that won't bite you later, then
buy a cheaper case & psu! We 
already know that you and I differ on "what's worth
it" along with "can part x be 
trusted".


Chris Reeves wrote:
> Heh.  Two months from now when you see our QuadSLI
review in a major magazine with nice thungs to say you
can rethink that.  But I thought the goal was two
boxes for the price your giving him for one. :). 
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:40:51 
> To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] another recommendation
> 
> 
> My choices:
> 
> Asus Rampage (X48 vs. X38, forget AMD 680/780)
> Intel E6550 (core2) or Q6600 (core2Q)
> Thermaltake *toughpower* 750W PSU (or OCZ,
> Silverstone, CWT, Seasonic)
> Thermaltake Armor case
> 2 (1024x2) or 4GB (2048x2) RAM DDR2-800 because it's
> cheap right now & XP will use
> 3GB for sure.
> Graphics? anything ATI => X1950 or Nvidia => 7800
> (forget future SLI upgrades since
> Nvidia too stupid to allow support on an Intel
> chipset.)
> 
> Why? Supports the fastest DDR2 RAM for the $$$,
> handles all Intel CPU's (it's X48),
> won't become obsolete in 2 years IMHO, allows for
> upgrades.
> 
> Look for deals/rebates and you could build core box
> for < $1000 sans HDD, CD/DVD, new
> KB, etc
> 
> Chris on the other hand will have you buying some
AM2+
> jobbie in a ultra case w/
> ultra branded PSU. Just poking Chris!  =)
> 
> 
> 



  

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Re: [H] UPSes

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks for all of the suggestions.  I had looked at APC for new batteries,
but they wanted about $70.  I had figured I might as well get a new unit if
the battery is that much.  I'll look around locally (didn't think about
that) and check out some of the places that were mentioned is your
responses.

One question.  Do the surge suppression parts in a UPS wear like those in a
surge suppressor do?  If so, I'm thinking it might be time to replace the
unit anyway.  I have had it for about 7 years or so and once had the
batteries replaced in it under warranty when it puffed up.

Thanks,
Bobby

Re: [H] Just ordered me one of these!!!

[Naushad, Zulfiqar]

The performance can easily be upped by upgrading the paltry 512Mb ram to 2Gb.  
Which I will do.
 
Also in addition, HP uses some old SiS NIC driver which can also be easily 
upgraded to the latest version from the SiS site which also improves 
performance.
 
U see, I am actually sharing my external 500GB hard disk via a NSLU2 device 
which is dog slow, but works stably.
 
So either way, it's a great upgrade for me.
 
Also, I didn't want RAID and the headaches associated with it, I actualy prefer 
the method MS uses.  You just select the directory you want to be protected and 
it will (I think use shadow copies) on that directory and will automagically 
distribute it over several drives.
 
One good thing for me is that I can also use my existing 500GB in the pool.
 
So the version I got has 500GB and I have an external 500GB, so that gives me 
1TB, I already have my eye on 2 more 750GB so that will give me 2.5TB of 
storage.
 
I don't need all my directories redundant.  I just need my pics, a couple of 
important documents, music and maybe some animes, the rest is wellnon 
important.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Al
Sent: Sat 4/19/2008 5:52 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Just ordered me one of these!!!




"Naushad, Zulfiqar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Order is being shipped.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51e4zaGgjDL._SS400_.jpg

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/9a/65/4fb0431378a0fdfbe8e28110


Nice toy.  :)
Good read/write speed.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30135/75/1/9/
 Quote: So would I buy it? All things considered, no, I wouldn't. While
it is a nice looking product, with performance that places it near the
top of our charts, its feature set falls far short of what you can get
from many less-expensive products. In my case in particular, its
once-a-day approach to backup doesn't meet my needs and I'm definitely
not a fan of all the crap stuff I have to install on my system to even
administrate the little beastie End quote.

How long before someone hacks *nix onto it.  :-)

For fun:
http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2007/12/hp-ex470ex475-mediasmart-server-easter.html

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[Bobby Heid]

I just bought one of these for $70 after MIR.  I have not used it yet, but
looks great and has lots of cooling features.


Bobby


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:13 AM
To: Al
Subject: Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

Hello Al,


Nice. I am still partial to mine... nice and cool. Room. Pretty.

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900

Cheaper!

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[Al]

"James Maki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armor/va8000bws.a

> I went with the Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+) VH6000BWS
> 

They are very nice. Can't see ever buying a case with a door(s) again.
And I find these doors rather yonical in appearance. 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yonic
Also, I don't care for the top of it.  But these are just personal taste
issues. Looks like a very well ventilated case. 

Nothing I've found is as nicely
finished inside as the Ultra m998 Mid Tower .

Regards,
Al

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[James Maki]

> -Original Message-
> From: Joe User

> http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armor/va8000bws.a
> > sp
> 
> 
> OK thats a sweet chassis
> 
> 
> --
> Regards,
>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
> 

I went with the Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+) VH6000BWS

when it was available with free shipping from newegg (which is good because
it weighs a ton). I have been extremely happy with the case. It is big
(roomy) and heavy (solid construction), but if you are looking for a full
sized tower, check it out. It dropped my idle temp by 3 degrees, has room
for 7 internal 3.5 inch druves and 7 external 3.5/5.5" drives. Front panel
firewire, USB and eSata. Best big case I have ever used (and the most
expensive). Not for LAN parties!

Jim Maki
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [H] Just ordered me one of these!!!

[Al]

"Naushad, Zulfiqar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Order is being shipped.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51e4zaGgjDL._SS400_.jpg

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/9a/65/4fb0431378a0fdfbe8e28110


Nice toy.  :)
Good read/write speed.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30135/75/1/9/
 Quote: So would I buy it? All things considered, no, I wouldn't. While
it is a nice looking product, with performance that places it near the
top of our charts, its feature set falls far short of what you can get
from many less-expensive products. In my case in particular, its
once-a-day approach to backup doesn't meet my needs and I'm definitely
not a fan of all the crap stuff I have to install on my system to even
administrate the little beastie End quote.

How long before someone hacks *nix onto it.  :-)

For fun:
http://www.homeserverhacks.com/2007/12/hp-ex470ex475-mediasmart-server-easter.html

[H] Just ordered me one of these!!!

[Naushad, Zulfiqar]

Order is being shipped.
 
Should be at my doorstep in a couple of days.
 
Can't wait to play around with it!!  I am seriously in need of redundant 
storage.  Right now I am saving all my precious photos (6 years of pics) on an 
external 500GB USB HDD.
 
This will be much better for my needs.
 
http://www.amazon.com/EX470-MediaSmart-Server-Windows-Drive/dp/B000UY1WSK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3_s9_rk?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&s9r=8a585b431588ae070115f9650cd90da1&itemPosition=3&qid=1208610685&sr=8-3

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[Al]

Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nice. I am still partial to mine... nice and cool. Room. Pretty.
> 
> http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900

A top fan makes more sense if the power supply is at the bottom. Since
the PS is obtaining it's air from that space, why would one want to
increase low air pressure in it's area?

The drive cage(s) are a nice setup. Not being tooless isn't a problem
for me. Most tooless setups feel flimsily to me, especially PCI card area.
> 
> Cheaper!

Cheaper is nice. ;-)

Al

Re: [H] Nice Case Mid Size Tower

[Al]

j maccraw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just built a new system in one of these, very
> recommended 

What did you think of the PowerBar? Hype, or useful?
How much room is under the Bar? I want to mod it to add every power wire,
24 pin ATX, sATA, etc.

Al