Re: [H] DRM or DVD from Hell?
Greg Sevart wrote: What DRM is included in SP3? They changed the product activation model to allow you to install without a key. That's a good move, since it lets you use it in test/demo environments without a key. There's already versions of windows XP that work this way for the right class of consumer like OEM's Developers so NBD. They updated it to work with NAP (Network Access Protection), allowing organizations to start using NAP to protect their corporate networks without having to move all clients to Vista. Kernel mode cryptographic functionality...I suppose that other vendors could tap into this to strengthen their existing DRM, but it really isn't something revolutionary. They disabled many known activation cracks...boo hoo, if you stole the OS, you deserve a brick, period. I disagree, I think stealing XP is an act of protest against a MS dominated market where you use it or loose out and thus are being price gouged made to pay to beta test MS mistakes. In fact I say the same about Apples OS in that case a frak you to apple for forcing you into their limited and still overprice hardware. Frankly if you're not asking MS for support what entitles them to cash this late in the game anyway? No I don't feel Parallels, WINE, Linux, or Unix BS are completely the same as having real windows. Personally I'll stick with XP since I know the version I have will not frak me when I radically change my hardware, screw the EULA if I'm destroying one box to rebuild it as a new system since it's still only one system. It's yet more FUD coming from people without a clue. The DRM in Vista that most people claim to hate is the protected content path for encrypted high definition video delivery (which by itself ONLY comes into play if you are playing back protected content, ala HD-DVD/BRD). It's so tightly integrated that MS would have had to backport the entire video driver model to XP. That's an absolutely tremendous undertaking, and is absolutely NOT a part of SP3. This bullshit probably came from the idiots who claimed that MP3s would no longer play if you upgraded to Vista...pathetic. I hate DRM as much as the next guy, maybe more, but let's try to separate the facts from the BS, can we? Have not read up on it but I don't want something that can lock me out of my system data if MS suddenly decides I'm a pirate, not the case then NDB to me. Of course if it somehow limits or dictates how I view content, limits my connectivity to content, or ladens my system down with invasive process that too would be an issue for me. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] DRM or DVD from Hell?
Autopatcher, yes it still exists after a fashion. I'm still waiting to see what the fallout is with SP3 before I trust my systems to it. Brian Weeden wrote: Actually there is another benefit to SP3. If you've ever had to to a clean SP3 install recently you'll find that you spend quite a bit of time downloading hotfixes and security updates and rebooting and downloading more updates. Over 100 I think at the last count. So SP3 rolls all those up into one and means if you slipstream it into an XP install CD a much easier and faster install. Brian On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no bricks here please but it figures sp3 is more about WGN then making the product better, just like Vista. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] UPSes
Be careful of chlorine and hydrogen buildups. Chlorine is a corrosive, and hydrogen explodes. (I used to do this with a video camera years ago.) Rick Glazier - Original Message - From: Al To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [H] UPSes Just wanted to offer; when the batteries in a couple of my APC UPS's went out, I just happened to have a couple of very large deep cycle RV batteries. They have been working fine as substitutes for well over a year. And my power-out run time is measured in hours, not minutes. ;-) If I had a very lengthy power out and wasn't around to shutdown the computers; I would probably recharge then with my auto battery charger, rather than ask the APC units to do it. Regards, Al Rick Glazier
Re: [H] UPSes
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:25:41 -0400 Rick Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful of chlorine and hydrogen buildups. Chlorine is a corrosive, and hydrogen explodes. They are well ventilated. They also get regular maintenance; fluid level, etc. Thanks. Al
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
I don't need that kind of video processing power, or the price! Found 2 512 MB 2600pros for $120 total with $20 MIR. Should satisfy my needs nicely. Thanks Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Behalf Of j maccraw There is also the 3870X2 from Asus which has quad DVI ports though I know not if it suffers from the fan issues of other 3870x2's and then there is the price. James Maki wrote: Thanks for the response. It seems that multiple video cards to drive multiple monitors is successful.
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:13 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't need that kind of video processing power, or the price! Found 2 512 MB 2600pros for $120 total with $20 MIR. Should satisfy my needs nicely. Thanks I was just looking at: http://www.techreport.com/r.x/geforce-9800gtx/tri-sli-rig.jpg http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14610 Care to share a link to those MB 2600pros? -- Spontaneous I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:34:13 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't need that kind of video processing power, or the price! Found 2 512 MB 2600pros for $120 total with $20 MIR. Should satisfy my needs nicely. Thanks I was just looking at: http://www.techreport.com/r.x/geforce-9800gtx/tri-sli-rig.jpg http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14610 Care to share a link to those MB 2600pros? SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102152 I purchased the 256MB version several months ago (for $80). It has performed flawless for my needs (mostly Office, video encoding, and a little gaming-CivIV and Call of Duty 12). No problem driving a 42 1080p LCD tv. The links you sent show a pretty fully loaded system! Is there room for any other cards? Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] Water-cooling
Hi, Well I didn't get much time to play but the temps have dropped by about 7degrees C just by moving turning some fans around. Here is what I have now, I hope it makes sense. Side 1 --O-- | FD | ox2 I HD i | HD i | HD i | CD | | | |PSU| | | | OCpu | V | V II i | i - Other side --O-- |FD | i HD O | i HD | i HD| |DVD| | | |---PSU | | | | Cpu | | V i V i | - Key: HD = Hard disc FD = Floppy disc V = Video i/o = 80mm fans except in front of HD which are 30mm I/O = 120mm fans One point to note and I hadn't really paid any attention to this before but the new PSU is so long it separates the bottom of the case from the top. The 120mm exhaust fan above the CPU seems to be doing the job for the bottom of the case now that I have proper air flow. No crashes so far, but I still may look at getting a different case eventually to allow for full case airflow. Thanks for all the help, Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:00 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling I would have air going towards the inside of the case to put the air on the components. Have air move out of the case can lead a void spot where there is no air flow. Here's an example of my case: --O-- | | | I | | Video | | | | CPU O | | I HD's PSO - So air goes thru the hard drives to the power supply and out the bottom. Air comes in from the front of the case over to the CPU FAN then out the back. Air is pushed into the case at the Video Card area and is pulled out in a Blow Hole on the top of the case. This works very well in my case. I do use a 680i Asus motherboard, A Zalman CPN9600 CPU fan, an Asus 8800GTX video card. There is no cabling in the way of the components. Even the power supply is kept neatly. BTW, the power Supply is a PC Power Cooling Silencer 750. Regards, Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:56 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling All the fans are pushing the air away from the case. Should I have some pulling air in and some pushing it out to create more of a flow across the components? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Beave Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:59 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling The fans on the side door of the case can be a problem. You have the air going out or going in there? If the air is going outward try making the air move inward. This way the air is being pushed from the back of the case. I would also make sure the fans on the rear of the case is moving air to the back of the case. If you have to, make those move at a higher RPM. Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Gary Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:32 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Water-cooling My case is very well ventilated using Scythe 12cm fans It's a full tower case and has the fans in this configuration on the side of the case: | | | X | | | | X | | | | X X | | | - The back of the case has two 8CM fans at the top sucking out air ___ | | | X X | | | | | | | | | | | --- The Case isn't too load because the fans are all Scythe Inside the case the cables are relatively tidy, but I would have thought the fans on the side of the case should be moving enough hot air out. The power supply may well be an issue. I may try to take some photo's at the weekend if I have time to help show you the actual configuration. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, please notify the sender and delete all copies immediately. The sender believes this message and any attachments were sent free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and other forms of malicious code. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. The recipient opens any attachments at the recipient's own risk, and in so doing, the recipient accepts full responsibility for such actions and agrees to take protective and remedial action relating to any malicious code. Travelport is not liable for any loss or damage arising from this message or its
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:04 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Care to share a link to those MB 2600pros? SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102152 Special savings, while supplies last(limit 100 per customer) Hehe Thanks for the link. I'll grab a couple, myself. What mobo are you using them on? The links you sent show a pretty fully loaded system! Is there room for any other cards? Talk about overkill. -- Spontaneous I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:04 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Care to share a link to those MB 2600pros? SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 2600PRO 512MB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102152 Special savings, while supplies last(limit 100 per customer) Hehe Thanks for the link. I'll grab a couple, myself. What mobo are you using them on? I plan on using them on an Abit IP35 Pro socket 775 and Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 mb whose original ATI x600 card is having problems. I plan on leaving the 256 MB version of the vid card on the Abit board (in the x16/x4 bandwidth slot) to run a 15 analog LCD I use as a second screen and let the 512 MB version run my 19 LCD and 42 HDTV. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[H] Reboot Problem
OK Guru's.here is the problem Got box running XP Pro; and it reboots several times a day on its own (just sitting there or not). I've replaced the motherboard; memory; sata cables; cpu fan. Formatted the drive and did clean install. What's my problem?? Could the CPU be bad??? Hard Drive? Power supply??? No other symptoms, it just blue screens and reboots.runs fine for couple hours and the process repeats.
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
At 11:50 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: OK Guru's.here is the problem Got box running XP Pro; and it reboots several times a day on its own (just sitting there or not). Assuming you are not over clocking or running hot, then spontaneous reboots are almost always caused by bad RAM. You write that you have replaced the system RAM, but not the video RAM. I would swap out the video card with any other video card to see if the problem goes away. If that isn't it, suspect the PS.
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
sounds like heat, make sure cpu heat sink is making good contact. sounds like you changed everything but the power supply, could be that also. fp At 11:50 AM 4/30/2008, Gary Poked the stick with: OK Guru's.here is the problem Got box running XP Pro; and it reboots several times a day on its own (just sitting there or not). I've replaced the motherboard; memory; sata cables; cpu fan. Formatted the drive and did clean install. What's my problem?? Could the CPU be bad??? Hard Drive? Power supply??? No other symptoms, it just blue screens and reboots.runs fine for couple hours and the process repeats. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You can only be truly free if everyone else is truly free
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
Will do... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:23 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Reboot Problem At 11:50 AM 4/30/2008, you wrote: OK Guru's.here is the problem Got box running XP Pro; and it reboots several times a day on its own (just sitting there or not). Assuming you are not over clocking or running hot, then spontaneous reboots are almost always caused by bad RAM. You write that you have replaced the system RAM, but not the video RAM. I would swap out the video card with any other video card to see if the problem goes away. If that isn't it, suspect the PS.
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:18:25 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan on leaving the 256 MB version of the vid card on the Abit board (in the x16/x4 bandwidth slot) to run a 15 analog LCD I use as a second screen and let the 512 MB version run my 19 LCD and 42 HDTV. So, on the 512 GPU, it's two of the three outputs at any one time? In other words, the 512 GPU can't do the 15 analog, 19 LCD and HDTV at the same time? Thanks for the info. -- Spontaneous I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left
Re: [H] XP SP3
But of course... Weird thing is that even though the install failed, my system thinks it has SP3, in help about no less. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 5:38 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] XP SP3 Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried to install XP3 and I got a windows error dialogue box saying Access denied I hope testing on a spare computer. :) regards, al
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:18:25 -0700 James Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I plan on leaving the 256 MB version of the vid card on the Abit board (in the x16/x4 bandwidth slot) to run a 15 analog LCD I use as a second screen and let the 512 MB version run my 19 LCD and 42 HDTV. So, on the 512 GPU, it's two of the three outputs at any one time? In other words, the 512 GPU can't do the 15 analog, 19 LCD and HDTV at the same time? My understanding is you can run 1 or 2 monitors in any configuration of the 3 ports on a dual head video card, but I don't believe you can run all 3 ports simultaneously. Perhaps you could clone two of the ports to show the same display on two monitors... Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
Hello Gary, Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 1:37:15 PM, you wrote: Ok these previous suggestions are all good and all but we went from park to overdrive, I think. XP can be set to reboot on BSOD also. This could be software related issue. So, have you checked the logs? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
Disable the auto reboot on BSOD thing and while your at it I'd check your PSU for bad caps. This is the kind of trouble I had when that Antec PSU failed. Gary wrote: OK Guru's.here is the problem Got box running XP Pro; and it reboots several times a day on its own (just sitting there or not). I've replaced the motherboard; memory; sata cables; cpu fan. Formatted the drive and did clean install. What's my problem?? Could the CPU be bad??? Hard Drive? Power supply??? No other symptoms, it just blue screens and reboots.runs fine for couple hours and the process repeats. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[H] Add to your list of vendors to avoid
Sapphire Technologies has just made my shit list for the issues I am having the HD3870X2 broken fan support. Fraking thing idles @60C due to the fan not ramping up as it gets hot due to some glitch in the BIOS or something. They expect me to deal with Newegg, who offer no refunds now I know why, when it's not just my card it's all of them or least my revision for sure. Now they expect me to pay to send it to them so they can send me another defective (after all there's no fix yet). I told 'em I drag them into small claims court 1st since I got $400 invested! Also add to the list as the worst user support board in the form of the official unofficial Sapphire forums ruled over by GreenGekko and his butt buddy Rubenos. Both must be Europeeons because they've been saying lovely thing about us yanks. Any rate I got banned for posting some findings about the fan issue which were censored without detailed explaination I questioned why. So folks, spend your funds somewhere else because official unofficial this smells of BS! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
-Original Message- From: Wayne Johnson At 06:58 PM 4/30/2008, James Maki typed: Perhaps you could clone two of the ports to show the same display on two monitors... Why would one want to do that unless they're giving a presentation ? Don't know. But since I have not actually tried it, didn't want to give a definite NO! to the question of whether you could hook 3 monitors to a single card. Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [H] Add to your list of vendors to avoid
Yeah, Sapphire's support is awful. I had a problem with a 1950 Pro, they too told me to take it up with Newegg. My brother had a 1900 XT die on him, past the Newegg support period...he sent it in, and they informed him that they couldn't replace it with a 1900 XT because it was OOS, and his only option was to take a 1950 Pro--a slower card--with no other compensation. He had them wait for over a month for an XT to come in before cutting his losses and taking the 1950 Pro. Awful. I've generally preferred Nvidia's GPUs anyway (running the 512MB 8800GT now), and eVGA has absolutely stellar support. They're definitely my first choice for GPU purchases now. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:33 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: [H] Add to your list of vendors to avoid Sapphire Technologies has just made my shit list for the issues I am having the HD3870X2 broken fan support. Fraking thing idles @60C due to the fan not ramping up as it gets hot due to some glitch in the BIOS or something. They expect me to deal with Newegg, who offer no refunds now I know why, when it's not just my card it's all of them or least my revision for sure. Now they expect me to pay to send it to them so they can send me another defective (after all there's no fix yet). I told 'em I drag them into small claims court 1st since I got $400 invested! Also add to the list as the worst user support board in the form of the official unofficial Sapphire forums ruled over by GreenGekko and his butt buddy Rubenos. Both must be Europeeons because they've been saying lovely thing about us yanks. Any rate I got banned for posting some findings about the fan issue which were censored without detailed explaination I questioned why. So folks, spend your funds somewhere else because official unofficial this smells of BS! ___ _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [H] Running 3 monitors in Windows XP Pro
Don't know. But since I have not actually tried it, didn't want to give a definite NO! to the question of whether you could hook 3 monitors to a single card. The old Matrox Parhelia will handle two monitors and a TV, but not a real high resolutions
Re: [H] Add to your list of vendors to avoid
Hello j, Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 8:32:36 PM, you wrote: Sapphire Technologies has just made my shit list for the issues I am having the HD3870X2 broken fan support. Fraking thing idles @60C due to the fan not ramping up as it gets hot due to some glitch in the BIOS or something. They expect me to deal with Newegg, who offer no refunds now I know why, when it's not just my card it's all of them or least my revision for sure. Now they expect me to pay to send it to them so they can send me another defective (after all there's no fix yet). I told 'em I drag them into small claims court 1st since I got $400 invested! Also add to the list as the worst user support board in the form of the official unofficial Sapphire forums ruled over by GreenGekko and his butt buddy Rubenos. Both must be Europeeons because they've been saying lovely thing about us yanks. Any rate I got banned for posting some findings about the fan issue which were censored without detailed explaination I questioned why. So folks, spend your funds somewhere else because official unofficial this smells of BS! Good info - thanks for sharing - sucks you got burnt. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
Re: [H] Reboot Problem
Hello Wayne, Wednesday, April 30, 2008, 9:45:37 PM, you wrote: Just one of the many things I turn off when I setup a machine. Me too if I don't forget - what an annoying feature to have on by default. -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
