[H] More than One XP Operating System?
The basis of this is that I have an Audiophile 2496 sound card and the driver does not really support MCE. Of course the basic way to go about this would be to wipe the C drive clean and just install XP (non-MCE). But the question is, how well does XP do with more than one copy of itself installed? If, for example, I were to install XP (non-MCE) on this MCE system, first, would it set up a boot menu and 2nd, would it find my apps and use them? Just speculating it would save a lot of time reinstalling stuff. ThanksSteve
Re: [H] ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
I'd fully suggest going with the Rampage, it's a great board so far for me. Part of the best $1300 I've ever spent on a PC upgrade when it comes to the wow, I can see the difference factor. The rest being Q6600, Visiontek HD3870X2 OC'd, 2GB Corsair DDR2-800, case+psu. Only regret is the audio and that would be the same with all the current boards. With top-end LGA775 QX CPU's still ~$1000 which would have to come down in price after (delayed recently for erata) Nehalem ships. Then consider mature vetted X48 (not very obsolete) mobos vs a new core ships with new socket bugs to work out, What again exactly makes that high-end LGA775 a silly choice? That's some funny waffle flawed logic given that out the other side of your face you suggest a budget, limping, limited P35 mobo instead! A Rampage X48 cost same as Maximus X38, both only $100 more than P5K, they both have more lanes than P35 and are after all a ROG not a budget models so it's a tofu to steak comparison. Nevermind who the heck buys a mobo (as a conscious choice or perceived benefit) based on it having wifi built-in anyways? - Original Message From: James Boswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:50:40 PM Subject: Re: [H] ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard TBH, I'd recommend you buy an Asus P5K-E/Wifi-AP (which I've built several machines around and they're all awesome) and leave it at that a top of the line S775 board seems like a silly investment at this point when it'll be very obsolete in ~6 months as Nehalem launches On 15 Jun 2008, at 22:00, Winterlight wrote: I am not an over clocker, or a gamer so it seems odd that I am thinking about buying this motherboard ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131284nm_mc=OTC-Frooglecm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-ASUS-_-13131284 to pair with a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550 - Retail but I like it's feature rich design, new power saving features, the new X48 chipset and most importantly it supports my Corsair XPS2 DDR2 800MHz RAM. Any comments, advice? thanks
Re: [H] ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
On 16 Jun 2008, at 13:17:570, j maccraw wrote: I'd fully suggest going with the Rampage, it's a great board so far for me. Part of the best $1300 I've ever spent on a PC upgrade when it comes to the wow, I can see the difference factor. The rest being Q6600, Visiontek HD3870X2 OC'd, 2GB Corsair DDR2-800, case +psu. Only regret is the audio and that would be the same with all the current boards. With top-end LGA775 QX CPU's still ~$1000 which would have to come down in price after (delayed recently for erata) Nehalem ships. Then consider mature vetted X48 (not very obsolete) mobos vs a new core ships with new socket bugs to work out, What again exactly makes that high-end LGA775 a silly choice? That's some funny waffle flawed logic given that out the other side of your face you suggest a budget, limping, limited P35 mobo instead! A Rampage X48 cost same as Maximus X38, both only $100 more than P5K, they both have more lanes than P35 and are after all a ROG not a budget models so it's a tofu to steak comparison. Nevermind who the heck buys a mobo (as a conscious choice or perceived benefit) based on it having wifi built-in anyways? 1) the X48 chipset isn't mature, since it's only just hit the market. 2) It's a silly choice because it offers no particularly tangible real world performance benefit over a P35 board and costs quite a bit more, your hyperbolic description of P35 as limping and limited aside, there really isn't all that much to be gained. 3) At what point did I say it having built in wifi was a swinging point for it? although it certainly makes more sense in 99% of cases than dual gigabit ethernet. -JB
Re: [H] More than One XP Operating System?
If you are asking, how will XP do with a dual XP boot, then the answer is fine. I have been installing duplicate OS installs since NT4. I put the system files on C and XP1 and XP2 on D and E. Windows handles the dual boot just fine. It is a very useful setup for a number of reasons. And there is no better way to troubleshoot. At 04:40 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: The basis of this is that I have an Audiophile 2496 sound card and the driver does not really support MCE. Of course the basic way to go about this would be to wipe the C drive clean and just install XP (non-MCE). But the question is, how well does XP do with more than one copy of itself installed? If, for example, I were to install XP (non-MCE) on this MCE system, first, would it set up a boot menu and 2nd, would it find my apps and use them? Just speculating it would save a lot of time reinstalling stuff. ThanksSteve
[H] Vista Annoyances
Okay I've only been using Vista for about 2 weeks on my HTPC and it's got several things that annoy the crap out of me: 1) Only 1 session allowed at once. This is a real killer for a HTPC as I need to be able to have it autologin to one session to show the HTPC shell (I'm using Vista Media Center) while simultaneously allowing me to remote desktop into another session to manage downloads, do maintenance, and encoding/ripping. Of course there is a hack to enable it, it seems that Microsoft decided this was a server feature and made it part of Server 2003 and not the $400 Vista Ultimate. 2) Boot files. My Vista machine won't boot without the install DVD in the machine. I tried downloading and running that Vista boot fix program someone on the list linked and ran all the different fixes it offered but nothing worked. I figure the issue won't get solved until I have to reformat and reinstall, which I hear with Vista needs to happen within 6 months. 3) Memory usage. The HTPC boots up and loads maybe 3 programs (one of which is the VMC shell) and the thing is using 2.1 GB of RAM. WTF My main WinXP machine loads about 20 programs at start, including Firefox, and never goes about 1.5 GB of RAM unless I'm gaming or working with big files. 4) Autosizing the details pane on explorer. This is a huge annoyance for me. On XP, I can setup a folder view just the way I like it (detailed list, no icons) and even have all the columns sized just right and then tell Windows to make all the other folders look the same. In Vista, every damn time I open a folder I have to right click and tell it to auto size all columns because you can't read half the damn information. I think I'm going to stick with XP for a while longer, maybe as long as I can. It's not the best thing in the world but I find nothing in Vista worth the frustration. Brian
Re: [H] Vista Annoyances
Vista more aggressively precaches things than XP ever did, which will give the illusion of things using more memory than they actually are ? ( the other issues I have no comments regarding however.) On 16 Jun 2008, at 18:09, Brian Weeden wrote: 3) Memory usage. The HTPC boots up and loads maybe 3 programs (one of which is the VMC shell) and the thing is using 2.1 GB of RAM. WTF My main WinXP machine loads about 20 programs at start, including Firefox, and never goes about 1.5 GB of RAM unless I'm gaming or working with big files.
Re: [H] Vista Annoyances
Okay I've only been using Vista for about 2 weeks on my HTPC and it's got several things that annoy the crap out of me: 1) Only 1 session allowed at once. This is a real killer for a HTPC as I need to be able to have it autologin to one session to show the HTPC shell (I'm using Vista Media Center) while simultaneously allowing me to remote desktop into another session to manage downloads, do maintenance, and encoding/ripping. Of course there is a hack to enable it, it seems that Microsoft decided this was a server feature and made it part of Server 2003 and not the $400 Vista Ultimate. That's been true for non-server Windows OS'es since the inception of RDP/TS... 2) Boot files. My Vista machine won't boot without the install DVD in the machine. I tried downloading and running that Vista boot fix program someone on the list linked and ran all the different fixes it offered but nothing worked. I figure the issue won't get solved until I have to reformat and reinstall, which I hear with Vista needs to happen within 6 months. Haven't seen that yet with Vista, but have several times with XP. With XP, my trick was to unplug ALL storage devices except the boot HD and the optical drive I'm installing from when doing the initial installation. I've also been running on the same Vista64 install since I switched to my P35-based Gigabyte board...so that's been over a year now. No issues to report, so I'm not planning a reinstall anytime soon. 3) Memory usage. The HTPC boots up and loads maybe 3 programs (one of which is the VMC shell) and the thing is using 2.1 GB of RAM. WTF My main WinXP machine loads about 20 programs at start, including Firefox, and never goes about 1.5 GB of RAM unless I'm gaming or working with big files. That's SuperFetch at work. It takes otherwise unused memory to pre-fetch files for when you might need them. This is very much a good thing--you're actually getting a benefit from the memory you paid for. If any application needs the memory, it surrenders it immediately. Now, that being said, Vista does have an overall higher memory footprint...but that's really to be expected IMO. 4) Autosizing the details pane on explorer. This is a huge annoyance for me. On XP, I can setup a folder view just the way I like it (detailed list, no icons) and even have all the columns sized just right and then tell Windows to make all the other folders look the same. In Vista, every damn time I open a folder I have to right click and tell it to auto size all columns because you can't read half the damn information. The inability for Windows to remember my folder customization settings has been an annoyance for me long before Vista, though Vista does seem to be worse for whatever reason.
Re: [H] More than One XP Operating System?
Thanks for the info, I'll just have to see how many of my applications make it over, I know that some may and others probably won't. Probably the best bet would be a clean wipe but somehow I alway manage to wipe out something I wanted to keep Steve On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are asking, how will XP do with a dual XP boot, then the answer is fine. I have been installing duplicate OS installs since NT4. I put the system files on C and XP1 and XP2 on D and E. Windows handles the dual boot just fine. It is a very useful setup for a number of reasons. And there is no better way to troubleshoot. At 04:40 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: The basis of this is that I have an Audiophile 2496 sound card and the driver does not really support MCE. Of course the basic way to go about this would be to wipe the C drive clean and just install XP (non-MCE). But the question is, how well does XP do with more than one copy of itself installed? If, for example, I were to install XP (non-MCE) on this MCE system, first, would it set up a boot menu and 2nd, would it find my apps and use them? Just speculating it would save a lot of time reinstalling stuff. ThanksSteve
Re: [H] More than One XP Operating System?
Any third party apps will have to be reinstalled. Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:46 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the info, I'll just have to see how many of my applications make it over, I know that some may and others probably won't. Probably the best bet would be a clean wipe but somehow I alway manage to wipe out something I wanted to keep Steve You shouldn't loose anything. XP only needs to share three boot files on your C drive. Everything else for the second XP install should be installed on another partition. During install just point it to your new clean partition and everything else is automatic. You can even set it up to share your pagefile.sys if you use one. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are asking, how will XP do with a dual XP boot, then the answer is fine. I have been installing duplicate OS installs since NT4. I put the system files on C and XP1 and XP2 on D and E. Windows handles the dual boot just fine. It is a very useful setup for a number of reasons. And there is no better way to troubleshoot. At 04:40 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: The basis of this is that I have an Audiophile 2496 sound card and the driver does not really support MCE. Of course the basic way to go about this would be to wipe the C drive clean and just install XP (non-MCE). But the question is, how well does XP do with more than one copy of itself installed? If, for example, I were to install XP (non-MCE) on this MCE system, first, would it set up a boot menu and 2nd, would it find my apps and use them? Just speculating it would save a lot of time reinstalling stuff. ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Vista Annoyances
Issue 2: Download EasyBCD and fix your MBR. Issue 4: I think this is one of those tweakable features you can disable via Folder Options or Performance Vistual Effects. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:09 AM To: hwg Subject: [H] Vista Annoyances Okay I've only been using Vista for about 2 weeks on my HTPC and it's got several things that annoy the crap out of me: 1) Only 1 session allowed at once. This is a real killer for a HTPC as I need to be able to have it autologin to one session to show the HTPC shell (I'm using Vista Media Center) while simultaneously allowing me to remote desktop into another session to manage downloads, do maintenance, and encoding/ripping. Of course there is a hack to enable it, it seems that Microsoft decided this was a server feature and made it part of Server 2003 and not the $400 Vista Ultimate. 2) Boot files. My Vista machine won't boot without the install DVD in the machine. I tried downloading and running that Vista boot fix program someone on the list linked and ran all the different fixes it offered but nothing worked. I figure the issue won't get solved until I have to reformat and reinstall, which I hear with Vista needs to happen within 6 months. 3) Memory usage. The HTPC boots up and loads maybe 3 programs (one of which is the VMC shell) and the thing is using 2.1 GB of RAM. WTF My main WinXP machine loads about 20 programs at start, including Firefox, and never goes about 1.5 GB of RAM unless I'm gaming or working with big files. 4) Autosizing the details pane on explorer. This is a huge annoyance for me. On XP, I can setup a folder view just the way I like it (detailed list, no icons) and even have all the columns sized just right and then tell Windows to make all the other folders look the same. In Vista, every damn time I open a folder I have to right click and tell it to auto size all columns because you can't read half the damn information. I think I'm going to stick with XP for a while longer, maybe as long as I can. It's not the best thing in the world but I find nothing in Vista worth the frustration. Brian
Re: [H] More than One XP Operating System?
At 02:42 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote: Any third party apps will have to be reinstalled. Of course, you don't share applications. The whole idea is to have two separate installs that share nothing. However, a number of simple utilities and programs will run just fine without a reinstall. Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:46 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote: Thanks for the info, I'll just have to see how many of my applications make it over, I know that some may and others probably won't. Probably the best bet would be a clean wipe but somehow I alway manage to wipe out something I wanted to keep Steve You shouldn't loose anything. XP only needs to share three boot files on your C drive. Everything else for the second XP install should be installed on another partition. During install just point it to your new clean partition and everything else is automatic. You can even set it up to share your pagefile.sys if you use one. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are asking, how will XP do with a dual XP boot, then the answer is fine. I have been installing duplicate OS installs since NT4. I put the system files on C and XP1 and XP2 on D and E. Windows handles the dual boot just fine. It is a very useful setup for a number of reasons. And there is no better way to troubleshoot. At 04:40 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: The basis of this is that I have an Audiophile 2496 sound card and the driver does not really support MCE. Of course the basic way to go about this would be to wipe the C drive clean and just install XP (non-MCE). But the question is, how well does XP do with more than one copy of itself installed? If, for example, I were to install XP (non-MCE) on this MCE system, first, would it set up a boot menu and 2nd, would it find my apps and use them? Just speculating it would save a lot of time reinstalling stuff. ThanksSteve
Re: [H] Vista Annoyances
I did download EasyBCD and did the MBR fix. Didn't work. Brian On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Issue 2: Download EasyBCD and fix your MBR. Issue 4: I think this is one of those tweakable features you can disable via Folder Options or Performance Vistual Effects. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 10:09 AM To: hwg Subject: [H] Vista Annoyances Okay I've only been using Vista for about 2 weeks on my HTPC and it's got several things that annoy the crap out of me: 1) Only 1 session allowed at once. This is a real killer for a HTPC as I need to be able to have it autologin to one session to show the HTPC shell (I'm using Vista Media Center) while simultaneously allowing me to remote desktop into another session to manage downloads, do maintenance, and encoding/ripping. Of course there is a hack to enable it, it seems that Microsoft decided this was a server feature and made it part of Server 2003 and not the $400 Vista Ultimate. 2) Boot files. My Vista machine won't boot without the install DVD in the machine. I tried downloading and running that Vista boot fix program someone on the list linked and ran all the different fixes it offered but nothing worked. I figure the issue won't get solved until I have to reformat and reinstall, which I hear with Vista needs to happen within 6 months. 3) Memory usage. The HTPC boots up and loads maybe 3 programs (one of which is the VMC shell) and the thing is using 2.1 GB of RAM. WTF My main WinXP machine loads about 20 programs at start, including Firefox, and never goes about 1.5 GB of RAM unless I'm gaming or working with big files. 4) Autosizing the details pane on explorer. This is a huge annoyance for me. On XP, I can setup a folder view just the way I like it (detailed list, no icons) and even have all the columns sized just right and then tell Windows to make all the other folders look the same. In Vista, every damn time I open a folder I have to right click and tell it to auto size all columns because you can't read half the damn information. I think I'm going to stick with XP for a while longer, maybe as long as I can. It's not the best thing in the world but I find nothing in Vista worth the frustration. Brian
Re: [H] Vista Annoyances
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay I've only been using Vista for about 2 weeks on my HTPC and it's got several things that annoy the crap out of me: 1) Only 1 session allowed at once. This is a real killer for a HTPC as I need to be able to have it autologin to one session to show the HTPC shell (I'm using Vista Media Center) while simultaneously allowing me to remote desktop into another session to manage downloads, do maintenance, and encoding/ripping. Of course there is a hack to enable it, it seems that Microsoft decided this was a server feature and made it part of Server 2003 and not the $400 Vista Ultimate. That's been true for non-server Windows OS'es since the inception of RDP/TS... See, this is the thing. I could understand it if it was a whole entire module that had to be added on. But the code to freaking do this is already in EVERY copy of Vista All you need to do is make a modification to one DLL and a registry edit and presto - as many simultaneous logins as you want. Same thing with everything else in Vista ultimate - every single copy of Vista sold (no matter which version you buy) has all the features. The license you buy (Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate) just determines which features get unlocked. It's just artificial market segmentation for the sake of being able to sell different feature sets at different price points. Which I can sort of understand from a business POV but it sure does make me mad as a consumer. Of course all it takes is one enterprising hacker who figures out how to enable all the disabled features and it's all over. Brian
