Re: [H] Odd?

[DHSinclair]

Forc5,
RU kidding me? A 1Ghz chip for a Bx6r2?
Nowhere in my UM do I see a mention of 1Ghz..
Really? This prick is an old slot ?something?
I forget. It has been too many years..sorry

ATM the P2-450 plays happy where it is.
Just trying to find IT an OS...
Perhaps a P2-450 and m/b will not do WinXP?
ATM, I just do not know.
In the AM I will try Win2Kpro...
after I wash the new drive... LOL!
For MS, I find this really strange...but not completely,
and, I will continue my research; lame as it may be!

All of you Vista users need not reply.
I really do not want to drown in all the,
"get on with it for Gawd's sake!" business.
Thank you very much,
Duncan



At 21:03 10/16/2008 -0700, you wrote:
want a 1GHZ chip for that MB ?  not officially but as I recall would run 
133 fsb.
XP should do fine on that, worried about 1 meg. wipe the drive with zap. 
:-D do fast format.


fred

At 08:42 PM 10/16/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Trying to build Wxp on a pretty old stack of hdw.
>Abit bx6-r2, P2-450, 512mb ram, seagate 160gb pata drive.
>Yes, I know, how silly can I be?
>
>when I started 6 hours ago, bios said the hd was LBA UD33 136gb and
>winxp formatted 152618mb. 152.618GB. OK.
>
>now that I've killed the 1st install that did not complete,
>winxp is now formatting 152617mb. 152.617GB.  Hmm.?
>
>Where did I loose 1mb of disk space?
>Should I tool-wash the hd again?
>Thanks,
>Duncan

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[H] PST File

[Gary]

Can someone tell me how to extract email address's from a outlook PST file? 

Re: [H] About Flash?

[maccrawj]

Even if you were to fix Flash in this way, it's still blocking other functions like 
scripting. Sure sounds like he has not whitelisted the domains hosting netgear 
content (there may be more than netgear.com) which is the ultimate fix.


For a quick NoScript fix you can use Ctrl+Shift+Backslash to toggle whitelisting of 
current domain (netgear.com for example).



Brian Weeden wrote:

If you go into the NoScript options there is a place where you can set
exactly what it blocks, and Flash is one of them.

I leave it blocked because it kills a lot of annoying ads but you can easily
allow Flash and still keep scripting disabled.

Re: [H] Odd?

[FORC5]

want a 1GHZ chip for that MB ?  not officially but as I recall would run 133 
fsb.
XP should do fine on that, worried about 1 meg. wipe the drive with zap. :-D do 
fast format.

fred

At 08:42 PM 10/16/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with:
>Trying to build Wxp on a pretty old stack of hdw.
>Abit bx6-r2, P2-450, 512mb ram, seagate 160gb pata drive.
>Yes, I know, how silly can I be?
>
>when I started 6 hours ago, bios said the hd was LBA UD33 136gb and
>winxp formatted 152618mb. 152.618GB. OK.
>
>now that I've killed the 1st install that did not complete,
>winxp is now formatting 152617mb. 152.617GB.  Hmm.?
>
>Where did I loose 1mb of disk space?
>Should I tool-wash the hd again?
>Thanks,
>Duncan

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[H] Odd?

[DHSinclair]

Trying to build Wxp on a pretty old stack of hdw.
Abit bx6-r2, P2-450, 512mb ram, seagate 160gb pata drive.
Yes, I know, how silly can I be?

when I started 6 hours ago, bios said the hd was LBA UD33 136gb and
winxp formatted 152618mb. 152.618GB. OK.

now that I've killed the 1st install that did not complete,
winxp is now formatting 152617mb. 152.617GB.  Hmm.?

Where did I loose 1mb of disk space?
Should I tool-wash the hd again?
Thanks,
Duncan

Re: [H] Upgrade Time

[FORC5]

u guys making me feel deprived, main box and server still AMD. Still building 
AMD systems for customers. Hope I am not the only one supporting the supposed 
underdog :-)

Intel lost me with socket 775, seems ass backwards.

That said am thinking of updating and have been reading intently the back and 
forths. Of course the second I switch sides AMD will do something to upset me. 
I still think for most ppl and general stuff good bang for the buck. JMO

fp

At 07:40 PM 10/16/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poked the stick with:
>Right now amd's best role is as mediacenters.  I've found nothing as effective 
>as a 780g mb + chip for a cheap mediacenter.  Not even close actually on the 
>intel side.  But its still a niche market.  
>Sent via BlackBerry 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: maccrawj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:37:21 
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time
>
>
>Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point & was assuming you 
>meant if 
>no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them!
>
>AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if 
>they 
>had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into 
>the 
>ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they 
>had 
>great products.
>
>
>Stan Zaske wrote:
>> You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes 
>> bankrupt it will be a one vendor market.
>> 
>> 
>> maccrawj wrote:
>>> It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with 
>>> something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again 
>>> to AMD's camp.
>>>
>>> What makes me laugh are all the complete "power gamer" PC's in EGM 
>>> that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and 
>>> the price of said PC's being < $1000 loaded with features which is 
>>> flat out impossible to do & still have a "power gamer" PC.
>>>

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Re: [H] Upgrade Time

[tmservo]

Right now amd's best role is as mediacenters.  I've found nothing as effective 
as a 780g mb + chip for a cheap mediacenter.  Not even close actually on the 
intel side.  But its still a niche market.  
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-
From: maccrawj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:37:21 
To: 
Subject: Re: [H] Upgrade Time


Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point & was assuming you 
meant if 
no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them!

AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if 
they 
had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into 
the 
ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they 
had 
great products.


Stan Zaske wrote:
> You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes 
> bankrupt it will be a one vendor market.
> 
> 
> maccrawj wrote:
>> It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with 
>> something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again 
>> to AMD's camp.
>>
>> What makes me laugh are all the complete "power gamer" PC's in EGM 
>> that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and 
>> the price of said PC's being < $1000 loaded with features which is 
>> flat out impossible to do & still have a "power gamer" PC.
>>

Re: [H] Upgrade Time

[maccrawj]

Worried about AMD going bankrupt? OK, I missed that point & was assuming you meant if 
no one buys AMD despite lack luster products that we'd loose them!


AMD would not be in trouble if they weren't terrible managing business, and if they 
had a product worth buying besides ATI products (who they might yet run into the 
ground). Same poor management issues killed Commodore back in the day and they had 
great products.



Stan Zaske wrote:
You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes 
bankrupt it will be a one vendor market.



maccrawj wrote:
It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with 
something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again 
to AMD's camp.


What makes me laugh are all the complete "power gamer" PC's in EGM 
that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and 
the price of said PC's being < $1000 loaded with features which is 
flat out impossible to do & still have a "power gamer" PC.

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Greg Sevart]

I dunno, I find LTO-3's 80MB/s per drive write speed to be fairly
decent...and LTO-4's 120MB/s is better still. Use compression and your
effective backup rate can be quite a bit higher still.

A 4x BD-R, in contrast, does 18MB/s.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:10 AM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device
> 
> At 11:01 AM 16/10/2008, Greg Sevart wrote:
> >Both, by a large margin.
> 
> Interesting.  If they are drastically slower than tape, then they
> aren't much good as a back up device - tape is bad enough.
> 
> T
> 
> 
> 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 AM
> > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device
> > >
> > > At 10:42 AM 16/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >I have a client who does this
> > > >
> > > >Pros:  media is reliable, can be permanently stored, easier access
> > > then tape
> > > >
> > > >Con: media is expensive and backups are very slow.
> > >
> > > Slower than tape or slower than HD?
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> 

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Thane Sherrington]

At 11:01 AM 16/10/2008, Greg Sevart wrote:

Both, by a large margin.


Interesting.  If they are drastically slower than tape, then they 
aren't much good as a back up device - tape is bad enough.


T




> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 AM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device
>
> At 10:42 AM 16/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I have a client who does this
> >
> >Pros:  media is reliable, can be permanently stored, easier access
> then tape
> >
> >Con: media is expensive and backups are very slow.
>
> Slower than tape or slower than HD?
>
> T
>

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Greg Sevart]

Both, by a large margin.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:56 AM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device
> 
> At 10:42 AM 16/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I have a client who does this
> >
> >Pros:  media is reliable, can be permanently stored, easier access
> then tape
> >
> >Con: media is expensive and backups are very slow.
> 
> Slower than tape or slower than HD?
> 
> T
> 

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:42 AM 16/10/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a client who does this

Pros:  media is reliable, can be permanently stored, easier access then tape

Con: media is expensive and backups are very slow.


Slower than tape or slower than HD?

T 

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Thane Sherrington]

At 10:43 AM 16/10/2008, Brian Weeden wrote:

Yep.  They are so freaking concerned about piracy that the costs of using BR
discs as data backups are astronomical.  You can buy a 1 TB hard disk for
about the same price as 6 re-writable Blu-Ray discs (providing 25 GB of
storage each).


But 6 disks gives a lot more redundancy than 1 hard disk (but I see 
your point on price.)


T 

Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[tmservo]

I have a client who does this

Pros:  media is reliable, can be permanently stored, easier access then tape

Con: media is expensive and backups are very slow.  
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ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Oct 16, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

Has anyone tried a Blu-Ray drive as a backup device?  It sems like it 
would be a good option for larger backups.

T



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Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Brian Weeden]

Yep.  They are so freaking concerned about piracy that the costs of using BR
discs as data backups are astronomical.  You can buy a 1 TB hard disk for
about the same price as 6 re-writable Blu-Ray discs (providing 25 GB of
storage each).

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On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:38 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cost of the media is a major deterrent from trying.
>
> I have a BD-RE drive (re-writable) and 2 BD-RE disks (cost 10GBP each
> >.< ), which I occasionally use. Write times are still quite lengthy and
> when you combine those write times with the cost of the media, you
> realise hard drives are a better choice for backups.
>
> Jason Tozer
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane
> Sherrington
> Sent: 16 October 2008 14:26
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device
>
> Has anyone tried a Blu-Ray drive as a backup device?  It sems like it
> would be a good option for larger backups.
>
> T
>
>
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Re: [H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Jason.Tozer]

Cost of the media is a major deterrent from trying.

I have a BD-RE drive (re-writable) and 2 BD-RE disks (cost 10GBP each
>.< ), which I occasionally use. Write times are still quite lengthy and
when you combine those write times with the cost of the media, you
realise hard drives are a better choice for backups.

Jason Tozer

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Has anyone tried a Blu-Ray drive as a backup device?  It sems like it 
would be a good option for larger backups.

T



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[H] Blu-Ray as a backup device

[Thane Sherrington]

Has anyone tried a Blu-Ray drive as a backup device?  It sems like it 
would be a good option for larger backups.


T