Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
The alternative would be to go with gmail. You're not dealing as much with your ISP. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:19 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad Christopher, Best answer I've ever read. Thank you. I do not do 'phone/ipad' email, but I get it. Think I will stay POP3 for now; well untilI can not. IMAP reads to me as another layer (ISP) to deal with. Thank you. Duncan
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Synching across multiple machines. Local and server storage. Ultimately, convenience. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:49 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad I set up a simple filter to copy everything coming into my imap account to a saved folder. Easy to do, but why have to do this? With pop, you don't. What is the advantage of iMap again? On 2/16/2013 10:39 AM, Vincent Winterling wrote: I run my mail through Gmail. I setup the filters in Gmail and from Gmail direct mail in Outlook. I have an identical set of folders in Outlook to which incoming mail is sorted. It works perfectly. I use Acronis, scheduled daily, to backup my mail folders in Outlook (*.pst, *.ost). In Outlook 2013 IMAP is vastly improved and the file now ends in *.ost if you're running Gmail. Those things I want to more or less permanently save I save to the local *.pst file in Outlook. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:31 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad What I find to be a pain with imap is I have to copy my emails to another local folder to save them, because if you delete them off the server they are gone from your local machine. I like to save emails on my main home and work PCs.
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Isn't exercising great care when deleting material important no matter what the platform or content? Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:29 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad What really sucks is when you don't realize how it works and you delete a bunch of stuff you needthat's how I learned of this feature. I don't think I see the advantage of IMAP. On 2/16/2013 10:46 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 09:31 AM 16/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: What I find to be a pain with imap is I have to copy my emails to another local folder to save them, because if you delete them off the server they are gone from your local machine. I like to save emails on my main home and work PCs. That is the sort of thing I was worried about. I could probably handle that myself, but I can't expect clients to do it. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Gmail's base storage for each account is 10gb. That's a lot of stored email. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:41 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad At 12:29 PM 16/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: What really sucks is when you don't realize how it works and you delete a bunch of stuff you needthat's how I learned of this feature. I don't think I see the advantage of IMAP. I see the advantage for people who want to have multiple machines with synced emails, but it doesn't work if you want to keep more than a few emails (or have an ISP who is willing to give you a ton of storage and you trust that storage. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
If you're like you and backup your mail who care's if they protect it? On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 09:33 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: Gmail's base storage for each account is 10gb. That's a lot of stored email. Provided you trust GMail to store and protect your mail for you, sure. But if you're like me and have mail backed up in several locations, then perhaps not. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Sorry to reply to my own post, but even gmail has the method to backup your mail to pop3 on their FAQ: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=34030 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Christopher Fisk christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote: If you're like you and backup your mail who care's if they protect it? On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 09:33 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: Gmail's base storage for each account is 10gb. That's a lot of stored email. Provided you trust GMail to store and protect your mail for you, sure. But if you're like me and have mail backed up in several locations, then perhaps not. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
I don't necessarily trust them more than anyone else with information of importance to me. For important stuff, I have saved it locally and in several places. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:44 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] IMAP and iPad At 09:33 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: Gmail's base storage for each account is 10gb. That's a lot of stored email. Provided you trust GMail to store and protect your mail for you, sure. But if you're like me and have mail backed up in several locations, then perhaps not. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
At 10:14 AM 18/02/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote: If you're like you and backup your mail who care's if they protect it? How do I backup mail that's stored on Google? T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
At 10:15 AM 18/02/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but even gmail has the method to backup your mail to pop3 on their FAQ: http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=34030 So I can do POP and IMAP simultaneously with GMail? That might work. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
At 10:18 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: I don't necessarily trust them more than anyone else with information of importance to me. For important stuff, I have saved it locally and in several places. I really don't trust Google with important email. They are processing every word, which makes me nervous. It's fine for basic stuff, but I'd rather a bit more privacy. T
[H] e-Sata card, multiple multi-drive enclosures
Does anyone know of a low-cost e-sata card that has the port multiplier feature enabled for multiple multi-drive enclosures? The card I have now has two e-sata ports and supports the port multiplier feature, but only for one multi-drive enclosure. The other port can only be used for a single-drive enclosure. Now that I'm full in my multi-drive enclosure, I want to add a second one. Lo and behold, it don't work. I could get the same card and put it in another machine, and use the multi-drive enclosure that way...but I'd rather max on a single machine's potential first. I'd much rather not pay $200 for a single card.
[H] Powerline questions
I know we've discussed Powerline in the past, but I'm not very familiar, so I have a few questions. I was looking at this device: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAVB5004.aspx# Am I right in assuming I can put the single port thingy in the room with my router and plug it into a power socket and them put the 4 port thingy in another room and attach 4 devices to it? Can I get another 4 port thingy like this: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAV5004.aspx# And expand my network that way? IE: Single port thingy -- 4 port thingy Devices | | 4 port thingyDevices Or do I need a single port thingy for each 4 port thingy? T
Re: [H] Powerline questions
The answer to the first questions is yes. I'm not 100% on the second question as I have not done it before, but I do believe the answer is yes. I have also mixed devices between brands and they work. I think this was actually doing the thing above, but memory fades over time and I have moved on to gigabit network. I would consider the WD version, too, as you don't get the one port thingy but two thingys will multiple ports (up to 7 devices), so you expand on each side. Better because you get something back for giving up a port. That huge one port thingy is rather wasteful IMO. It eats an entire socket and only gives you one port. The WD version is better, IMO. These things travel well, which is mainly when I use them now. http://www.amazon.com/Livewire-Powerline-Network-Kit-200Mbps/dp/B003VWY0VY On 2/18/2013 2:03 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: I know we've discussed Powerline in the past, but I'm not very familiar, so I have a few questions. I was looking at this device: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAVB5004.aspx# Am I right in assuming I can put the single port thingy in the room with my router and plug it into a power socket and them put the 4 port thingy in another room and attach 4 devices to it? Can I get another 4 port thingy like this: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAV5004.aspx# And expand my network that way? IE: Single port thingy -- 4 port thingy Devices | | 4 port thingyDevices Or do I need a single port thingy for each 4 port thingy? T
Re: [H] Powerline questions
Amazon.com review on adding units to the WD (this means the answer to your second question is yes, if you get the WD): This is a terrific product. It does what it says that it will do. You will get much faster speeds than wireless without all the dropouts. Each box comes with two units. These units are identical. The one that you plug into your router becomes the home unit. The second box becomes the remote unit. If you're only planning on using these two boxes then you're fine. The problem becomes adding additional units (which is the beauty of purchasing this system.) There are no decent instructions. Not on the WD website, not included in paper form, and not set out in any clear fashion the pdf User Guide on the included CD. If you want to add addtional units around your house, then you will have to install the utiliy on the CD. Next -- AND THIS IS CRITICAL -- your computer will have to be attached by an ethernet cable to your HOME Live Wire device. The setup won't work otherwise. You will then: 1) Have to use the ADD button on the utility to add new devices. 2) You will have to locate the password for the additonal units, which is marked P/W on the bottom of the device. 3) You will have to enter the passcode and name the additional device. 4) Then hit the add device button on the computerized utility. 5) Once you've done this, all the devices should reboot, and the within 60 seconds, the utility should scan and locate all the devices on your system. 6) If the utility does not locate all the devices within 60 seconds, it means that the devices did not properly reboot. (This is what happened to me.) You will then have to unplug ALL the devices, and then replug them into the wall, and then close and reopen the utility. It should now work. Whatever you do: Don't bother calling customer service. You'll get someone too dumb to work at a McDonalds who won't have the slightest clue what your problem is or why the devices don't work. You will spend 15 to 30 minutes on hold before they confess that they don't know anything about the product. I almost gave up and returned these devices four or five times before I finally got them working. It's a shame Western Digital can't be bothered to provide instructions for one of the most basic functions associated with creating a powerline network. I guess they are selling to many of these units and don't want the supply to dry up because customers are adding third, fourth, and fifth boxes to their homes. On 2/18/2013 2:03 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: I know we've discussed Powerline in the past, but I'm not very familiar, so I have a few questions. I was looking at this device: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAVB5004.aspx# Am I right in assuming I can put the single port thingy in the room with my router and plug it into a power socket and them put the 4 port thingy in another room and attach 4 devices to it? Can I get another 4 port thingy like this: http://ca.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/XAV5004.aspx# And expand my network that way? IE: Single port thingy -- 4 port thingy Devices | | 4 port thingyDevices Or do I need a single port thingy for each 4 port thingy? T
Re: [H] Powerline questions
At 03:42 PM 18/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Amazon.com review on adding units to the WD (this means the answer to your second question is yes, if you get the WD): Awesome, Anthony. Thanks! Are the 200Mbps models like the WD fast enough for HD streaming? The reason I was looking at the Netgear was the claimed maximum speed of 500Mbps, which I figured would mean a higher actual speed. T
Re: [H] Powerline questions
+1 for the wd version. It really is great. On Feb 18, 2013 10:54 PM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 03:42 PM 18/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Amazon.com review on adding units to the WD (this means the answer to your second question is yes, if you get the WD): Awesome, Anthony. Thanks! Are the 200Mbps models like the WD fast enough for HD streaming? The reason I was looking at the Netgear was the claimed maximum speed of 500Mbps, which I figured would mean a higher actual speed. T
Re: [H] Powerline questions
They are all overrated in terms of those numbers. There is some site on the web that has measured throughput of the various powerline devices...you might google for it. No where near 500 Mbps end-to-end. I think those numbers mean rates at the same time...as in between different endpoints, for a total bandwidth rather than end-to-end. IMO, none of these are fast enough to ensure reliable streaming of blu-raybut not all BDs are created equal. Some will work fine and others will choke [Avatar, The Dark Knight]. So, you have to define what you mean by HD streamingif you are compressing blu-ray, then these will work fine, IME. Ripped files generally work well on these. That's why I went to the trouble to run ethernet cable from upstairs at one end of the house to downstairs at the other end of the house...and that meant getting under my deck...and getting under the crawl space..on my belly in the dirt and grassYuck! reliable streaming is worth it to me. Gigabit has enough bandwidth to stream several BDs at a time...I find you need 10MB/s for reliable streaming. IIRC, the best of these max out around 80 Mbps (megabits, not bytes). So, in theory, the best should work. That report should have the numbers. On 2/18/2013 2:54 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 03:42 PM 18/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Amazon.com review on adding units to the WD (this means the answer to your second question is yes, if you get the WD): Awesome, Anthony. Thanks! Are the 200Mbps models like the WD fast enough for HD streaming? The reason I was looking at the Netgear was the claimed maximum speed of 500Mbps, which I figured would mean a higher actual speed. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Excuse me. But I thought that 'gmail' = Google. Did I miss something here? Yes, I am still thinking about changing from POP to IMAP. Duncan On 02/18/2013 09:37, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:14 AM 18/02/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote: If you're like you and backup your mail who care's if they protect it? How do I backup mail that's stored on Google? T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
gmail supports IMAP and POP3 access types. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote: Excuse me. But I thought that 'gmail' = Google. Did I miss something here? Yes, I am still thinking about changing from POP to IMAP. Duncan On 02/18/2013 09:37, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:14 AM 18/02/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote: If you're like you and backup your mail who care's if they protect it? How do I backup mail that's stored on Google? T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
Thane, Have you considered getting your own domain and running incoming MX on an old server? Spam filtering is a pain in the ass, but if you're worried about space and about security, you can control both by putting your own cheap server with disk space in play. Frankly, if you setup a linux machine with a postfix and IMAP server, you can consolidate all of your email accounts into as many accounts as you wish on the linux machine. Use fetchmail to get all your POP3 mail accounts drawn into your linux mail server where you have complete control over it. Throw a webmail interface on it, serve it up as an IMAP server for your machines when you are remote and control backups on the server side. Doesn't even really require anything more than what you have currently, a free DYNDNS account and some electricity each month. You can setup encryption with IMAPS so you don't have to worry about security. I didn't even consider giving this option previously because I felt it was obvious (to me... I've been in the ISP business for 15+ years now) but it might be something you haven't thought about. Hell, you can go so far as to get yourself a domain for $10/month, route all email direct to your server through MX and cut off all providers. It's not that hard and doesn't take much to manage once it is setup. Christopher Fisk On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 10:18 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: I don't necessarily trust them more than anyone else with information of importance to me. For important stuff, I have saved it locally and in several places. I really don't trust Google with important email. They are processing every word, which makes me nervous. It's fine for basic stuff, but I'd rather a bit more privacy. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
er... $10/year not per month. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Christopher Fisk christopher.f...@thefisks.org wrote: Thane, Have you considered getting your own domain and running incoming MX on an old server? Spam filtering is a pain in the ass, but if you're worried about space and about security, you can control both by putting your own cheap server with disk space in play. Frankly, if you setup a linux machine with a postfix and IMAP server, you can consolidate all of your email accounts into as many accounts as you wish on the linux machine. Use fetchmail to get all your POP3 mail accounts drawn into your linux mail server where you have complete control over it. Throw a webmail interface on it, serve it up as an IMAP server for your machines when you are remote and control backups on the server side. Doesn't even really require anything more than what you have currently, a free DYNDNS account and some electricity each month. You can setup encryption with IMAPS so you don't have to worry about security. I didn't even consider giving this option previously because I felt it was obvious (to me... I've been in the ISP business for 15+ years now) but it might be something you haven't thought about. Hell, you can go so far as to get yourself a domain for $10/month, route all email direct to your server through MX and cut off all providers. It's not that hard and doesn't take much to manage once it is setup. Christopher Fisk On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 10:18 AM 18/02/2013, Vincent Winterling wrote: I don't necessarily trust them more than anyone else with information of importance to me. For important stuff, I have saved it locally and in several places. I really don't trust Google with important email. They are processing every word, which makes me nervous. It's fine for basic stuff, but I'd rather a bit more privacy. T
Re: [H] e-Sata card, multiple multi-drive enclosures
I'm using a RocketRAID 622 card that came with my eSATA 4 bay enclosure. Are you using the same one? I tried both ports and it works. However, I have not had the chance to try BOTH ports simultaneously as I only have one 4 bay unit. Like you, I actually thought of getting another enclosure but chanced on another HP N36L unit to house another 4 drives. On a side note, the RAID card is a x1 PCIe 2.0 which means 500MB/s transfer rates. While it's enough bandwidth for one 4 bay enclosure, perhaps it would be limiting if you want to make two 4 bay enclosures simultaneously sharing the bandwidth. On 19 February 2013 00:57, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.net wrote: Does anyone know of a low-cost e-sata card that has the port multiplier feature enabled for multiple multi-drive enclosures? The card I have now has two e-sata ports and supports the port multiplier feature, but only for one multi-drive enclosure. The other port can only be used for a single-drive enclosure. Now that I'm full in my multi-drive enclosure, I want to add a second one. Lo and behold, it don't work. I could get the same card and put it in another machine, and use the multi-drive enclosure that way...but I'd rather max on a single machine's potential first. I'd much rather not pay $200 for a single card.
Re: [H] Powerline questions
At 04:19 PM 18/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: They are all overrated in terms of those numbers. There is some site on the web that has measured throughput of the various powerline devices...you might google for it. No where near 500 Mbps end-to-end. I think those numbers mean rates at the same time...as in between different endpoints, for a total bandwidth rather than end-to-end. IMO, none of these are fast enough to ensure reliable streaming of blu-raybut not all BDs are created equal. Some will work fine and others will choke [Avatar, The Dark Knight]. So, you have to define what you mean by HD streamingif you are compressing blu-ray, then these will work fine, IME. Ripped files generally work well on these. That's why I went to the trouble to run ethernet cable from upstairs at one end of the house to downstairs at the other end of the house...and that meant getting under my deck...and getting under the crawl space..on my belly in the dirt and grassYuck! reliable streaming is worth it to me. Gigabit has enough bandwidth to stream several BDs at a time...I find you need 10MB/s for reliable streaming. IIRC, the best of these max out around 80 Mbps (megabits, not bytes). So, in theory, the best should work. That report should have the numbers. Ok, thanks. I don't feel like running ethernet cable, so I'll live with power line for now. T
Re: [H] IMAP and iPad
At 06:02 PM 18/02/2013, Christopher Fisk wrote: Thane, Have you considered getting your own domain and running incoming MX on an old server? Spam filtering is a pain in the ass, but if you're worried about space and about security, you can control both by putting your own cheap server with disk space in play. Yeah, that's a good idea. But I'm using POP on a single laptop - the whole IMAP thing is for a client. T
Re: [H] New build prices ... and a NIVIDA card
The latest HD 7970? I believe it's very slightly better than the Crossfired 5700 and does 6 monitors. Anyway, why not the cheaper i7 3820? On 18 February 2013 14:03, Winterlight winterli...@winterlight.org wrote: A The GTX 6xx are cheaper than they were 6 months ago. I know nothing about Nvidia as I have always used ATI cards. What would be the equivalent of what I have = two Radon 5700 Crossfire... anybody know? Just so I can baseline this and have a starting point. Thanks
Re: [H] Powerline questions
I use the Netgear 500 Poweline stuff specifically to connect my HTPC front ends to the server and can stream 1080p BluRay rips no problem. Brian Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2013, at 6:38, Thane Sherrington th...@computerconnectionltd.com wrote: At 04:19 PM 18/02/2013, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: They are all overrated in terms of those numbers. There is some site on the web that has measured throughput of the various powerline devices...you might google for it. No where near 500 Mbps end-to-end. I think those numbers mean rates at the same time...as in between different endpoints, for a total bandwidth rather than end-to-end. IMO, none of these are fast enough to ensure reliable streaming of blu-raybut not all BDs are created equal. Some will work fine and others will choke [Avatar, The Dark Knight]. So, you have to define what you mean by HD streamingif you are compressing blu-ray, then these will work fine, IME. Ripped files generally work well on these. That's why I went to the trouble to run ethernet cable from upstairs at one end of the house to downstairs at the other end of the house...and that meant getting under my deck...and getting under the crawl space..on my belly in the dirt and grassYuck! reliable streaming is worth it to me. Gigabit has enough bandwidth to stream several BDs at a time...I find you need 10MB/s for reliable streaming. IIRC, the best of these max out around 80 Mbps (megabits, not bytes). So, in theory, the best should work. That report should have the numbers. Ok, thanks. I don't feel like running ethernet cable, so I'll live with power line for now. T
