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At 06:11 PM 31/10/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: Actually, the remark about AMD/VIA and Soyo stems from the fact they don't last over 3.75 years. You can squeeze them a little longer, but two of mine went pretty belly up, and my wifes was VERY sensitive to moderate heat this summer... The minute the temp dropped a couple degrees it worked fine... (I have case fans, I replaced the NorthBridge fans, and even the CPU fans...) For a short while, I was using an old retired Dell 800M Win_ME to surf and get e-mail... It is Intel and still works perfect under the same conditions, in the same room... JMHO, YMMV... Interesting. I've seen a lot of VIA boards, and good ones seem to work for years, whilst the cheap ones die early. In a lot of cases, I think it's the curse of less expensive components. - VIA and AMD are less expensive so often get stuck in a device built of substandard components to keep the price down - then the thing fails and people think VIA sucks or AMD sucks when in reality it was the other stuff that was causing the problems. I've never used Soyo, and seen very few of them over the years, so I can't comment directly on their motherboards. I had a set of 18 Dells (GX250 or 280, I can't recall) and in every case the motherboards (Intel CPU with Intel chipsets) died of puffed capacitors within 14 months. Of the ones I replaced, about 40% died a second time of the same problem. The model was poorly built, and when combined with the environmental factors it died. I have a horror story for just about any device one can think of - there is a far end to every bell curve. :) T
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At 11:06 AM 01/11/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: It pretty much helped form/(cement?) my opinion when Soyo went out of the MB business... grin heh heh. Good point. The good news is -- they still support the stuff on the WEB, so I can't complain (too much...) That's pretty big of them - a lot of manufacturers just drop the whole thing and leave everyone hanging. T
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At 02:57 PM 30/10/2007, Tim \The Beave\ Lider wrote: All these Caps being damaged messages reminds to let you guys know that you can drastically reduce the problem by actually buying high end Power Supplies. If you spent $50.00 or less on a power supply, well may I say you get what you paid for. While I agree with you that a good PS is critical, it isn't a panacea when it comes to puffed caps. I had a motherboard in last week with eight bad caps (five by the CPU and three by the AGP slot.) I replaced them, and the three by the AGP slot puffed again within 24 hours. So I replaced them again and used an Enermax 350W PS to test for the next 24 hours. The caps puffed again. So I replaced them again with caps that were phyically bigger and these held. So it may be the caps or it may be another component puffing them, but it isn't always the PS. The original caps I used were Nichicon UVZ0J332MPD (6.3V 3300uf) and the final ones I used were Nichicon UPW0J332MHH (6.3V 3300uf) - I have been assured by Mouser that they are the same when it comes to use on motherboards, but possibly there is some quality difference between the two. I also had a machine in last week with 13 bad caps, and an el cheapo PS that was whining like a two year old in a candy store - I think the bad caps on the motherboard were directly due to the PS in that case. T
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Thane Sherrington wrote: At 02:57 PM 30/10/2007, Tim \The Beave\ Lider wrote: All these Caps being damaged messages reminds to let you guys know that you can drastically reduce the problem by actually buying high end Power Supplies. If you spent $50.00 or less on a power supply, well may I say you get what you paid for. While I agree with you that a good PS is critical, it isn't a panacea when it comes to puffed caps. I had a motherboard in last week with eight bad caps (five by the CPU and three by the AGP slot.) I replaced them, and the three by the AGP slot puffed again within 24 hours. So I replaced them again and used an Enermax 350W PS to test for the next 24 hours. The caps puffed again. So I replaced them again with caps that were phyically bigger and these held. So it may be the caps or it may be another component puffing them, but it isn't always the PS. How much time did this take you in total? It seem to me that the problem is cheap, cheap, cheap all the way around. The original caps I used were Nichicon UVZ0J332MPD (6.3V 3300uf) and the final ones I used were Nichicon UPW0J332MHH (6.3V 3300uf) - I have been assured by Mouser that they are the same when it comes to use on motherboards, but possibly there is some quality difference between the two. I also had a machine in last week with 13 bad caps, and an el cheapo PS that was whining like a two year old in a candy store - I think the bad caps on the motherboard were directly due to the PS in that case. I guess there must be good money to be made in fixing cheap partsbut it seems like there should be some decent mobo upgrades that would end up costing about as much to the end customer.
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At 11:09 AM 31/10/2007, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: How much time did this take you in total? It seem to me that the problem is cheap, cheap, cheap all the way around. I'd say a little under an hour and a half of labour. The whole thing cost the customer $93. I charge by the job, not by the hour. So comparatively, he could have paid ~$90 for a new motherboard (assuming I could have found one that worked with his CPU and RAM) then $59 to install the board, another $59 to install Windows, then $49 to restore his data to the new Windows installation, and of course he'd be stuck reinstalling and reconfiguring everything. I'd say $93 was reasonable. It was an Asrock motherboard, so it isn't the worst of the low end motherboards. I guess there must be good money to be made in fixing cheap partsbut it seems like there should be some decent mobo upgrades that would end up costing about as much to the end customer. Not really, as I pointed out above. The cost of a new motherboard install (assuming one can get a motherboard that will match all components) and the work involved is a lot more than just the cost of a new motherboard. T
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I am doing something similar with an old Soyo(/AMD/VIA) MB of my own... I managed to find a NEW exact rev. sealed board from a dealer... I think I'm good to go for another three years... And all for only $40(US)... grin Lots of RAM, and runs at 2.6G AMD... I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to stray away from Intel... Rick Glazier From: Thane Sherrington The cost of a new motherboard install (assuming one can get a motherboard that will match all components) and the work involved is a lot more than just the cost of a new motherboard.
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At 05:03 PM 31/10/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: I am doing something similar with an old Soyo(/AMD/VIA) MB of my own... I managed to find a NEW exact rev. sealed board from a dealer... I think I'm good to go for another three years... And all for only $40(US)... grin Lots of RAM, and runs at 2.6G AMD... I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to stray away from Intel... Because of the puffed caps problem? Intel-based motherboard have had plenty of those. The P4 doubles as a cap-puffer due to the ridiculous power strain it puts on components. T
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Actually, the remark about AMD/VIA and Soyo stems from the fact they don't last over 3.75 years. You can squeeze them a little longer, but two of mine went pretty belly up, and my wifes was VERY sensitive to moderate heat this summer... The minute the temp dropped a couple degrees it worked fine... (I have case fans, I replaced the NorthBridge fans, and even the CPU fans...) For a short while, I was using an old retired Dell 800M Win_ME to surf and get e-mail... It is Intel and still works perfect under the same conditions, in the same room... JMHO, YMMV... Rick Glazier From: Thane Sherrington Because of the puffed caps problem? Intel-based motherboard have had plenty of those. The P4 doubles as a cap-puffer due to the ridiculous power strain it puts on components. At 05:03 PM 31/10/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to stray away from Intel...
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Thanks, Thane. And why I passed on the whole P4 scene...back when?.. Best, Duncan At 16:34 10/31/2007 -0300, Thane wrote: snip Because of the puffed caps problem? Intel-based motherboard have had plenty of those. The P4 doubles as a cap-puffer due to the ridiculous power strain it puts on components. T
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I've definitely had issues with a few VIA based mainboards, BUT I also have 3 epia mini-itx systems that have been rock solid running 24/7 for about 4 years. The mini-itx ones seem to be very stable when configured as these ones are. I used the same drive image for all of them, running win2k server. lopaka DHSinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Agree totally even w/o any technical specifics. Every AMD/VIA m/b I have ever used has been a problem, or, suffered what I perceive to be an early RTF. Maybe, just my situation, but still.. Best, Duncan At 16:11 10/31/2007 -0500, you wrote: Actually, the remark about AMD/VIA and Soyo stems from the fact they don't last over 3.75 years. You can squeeze them a little longer, but two of mine went pretty belly up, and my wifes was VERY sensitive to moderate heat this summer... The minute the temp dropped a couple degrees it worked fine... (I have case fans, I replaced the NorthBridge fans, and even the CPU fans...) For a short while, I was using an old retired Dell 800M Win_ME to surf and get e-mail... It is Intel and still works perfect under the same conditions, in the same room... JMHO, YMMV... Rick Glazier From: Thane Sherrington Because of the puffed caps problem? Intel-based motherboard have had plenty of those. The P4 doubles as a cap-puffer due to the ridiculous power strain it puts on components. At 05:03 PM 31/10/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to stray away from Intel...
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more VIA then AMD IMO I shy from VIA anymore. At 02:15 PM 10/31/2007, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Rick, Agree totally even w/o any technical specifics. Every AMD/VIA m/b I have ever used has been a problem, or, suffered what I perceive to be an early RTF. Maybe, just my situation, but still.. Best, Duncan At 16:11 10/31/2007 -0500, you wrote: Actually, the remark about AMD/VIA and Soyo stems from the fact they don't last over 3.75 years. You can squeeze them a little longer, but two of mine went pretty belly up, and my wifes was VERY sensitive to moderate heat this summer... The minute the temp dropped a couple degrees it worked fine... (I have case fans, I replaced the NorthBridge fans, and even the CPU fans...) For a short while, I was using an old retired Dell 800M Win_ME to surf and get e-mail... It is Intel and still works perfect under the same conditions, in the same room... JMHO, YMMV... Rick Glazier From: Thane Sherrington Because of the puffed caps problem? Intel-based motherboard have had plenty of those. The P4 doubles as a cap-puffer due to the ridiculous power strain it puts on components. At 05:03 PM 31/10/2007, Rick Glazier wrote: I'm beginning to think it was a bad idea to stray away from Intel... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Let your mouth write no check that your tail can't cash.
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Good choice IMHO. To me, VIA means an experience. Best, Duncan At 16:28 10/31/2007 -0700, you wrote: more VIA then AMD IMO I shy from VIA anymore. At 02:15 PM 10/31/2007, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Rick, Agree totally even w/o any technical specifics. Every AMD/VIA m/b I have ever used has been a problem, or, suffered what I perceive to be an early RTF. Maybe, just my situation, but still.. Best, Duncan snip
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At 09:41 PM 29/10/2007, FORC5 wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( What motherboard model and how old was it? (I've had the same problem with Dell, btw.) T
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K8N-E deluxe. I would of though new enough for this problem to be gone. Hard to believe there are still sub par caps ( if that even was the problem and not the excuse ) still in inventory. Had same bug with a7n8x's also. This particular cap is not near the cpu and is just puffed, not leaking or anything. Just bugs me after waiting 10 weeks they send me one exactly like the one I sent them. I marked the mb so it is a different one. Abit claims they use good caps now but the last one I bought gave me so much grief I had to return it for something else. So I am leery of them, heard the top guys left anyway. I am calling Asus this AM but I may just replace the cap and be done with it. Customer rebuild so I ordered a new board to replace it that I can use all the old hw on. fp At 01:33 AM 10/30/2007, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with: At 09:41 PM 29/10/2007, FORC5 wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( What motherboard model and how old was it? (I've had the same problem with Dell, btw.) T -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- I know a bigamist who got that way using New Math.
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Hello FORC5, Monday, October 29, 2007, 6:41:36 PM, you wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( Be on the phone in the AM to do this again. fp Maybe they used puffy looking caps? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
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FWIW: Me too... (But bought used for a repair...) GIGABYTE GA-7ZXE SOCKET A 462 MOTHERBOARD ATHLON http://preview.tinyurl.com/2g4ey9 Fixed it myself. Rick Glazier At 09:41 PM 29/10/2007, FORC5 wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( What motherboard model and how old was it?
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I have done a few myself, but this one is under warranty. I actually have a socket A on the bench for repair ( 3 bad caps ) but wonder if it is worth it, NOT. mine is a 820uF 6.3v. I wonder if a 1000uF 6.3v would be better or maybe one same uF and higher V. in the mail today. I remember my friend had some bad caps ( MB slips my mind) and they (factory) did replace them with higher capacity. ) fp At 07:07 AM 10/30/2007, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with: FWIW: Me too... (But bought used for a repair...) GIGABYTE GA-7ZXE SOCKET A 462 MOTHERBOARD ATHLON http://preview.tinyurl.com/2g4ey9 Fixed it myself. Rick Glazier At 09:41 PM 29/10/2007, FORC5 wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( What motherboard model and how old was it? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Be sure to use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment.
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bought this brand new, was not puffed. Just got another RMA. Meanwhile here I sit broken hearted :-} I should put Asus in my speed dial fp At 07:09 AM 10/30/2007, Joe User Poked the stick with: Hello FORC5, Monday, October 29, 2007, 6:41:36 PM, you wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( Be on the phone in the AM to do this again. fp Maybe they used puffy looking caps? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Be sure to use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment.
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All these Caps being damaged messages reminds to let you guys know that you can drastically reduce the problem by actually buying high end Power Supplies. If you spent $50.00 or less on a power supply, well may I say you get what you paid for. The power supply is the most important part of the whole computer, not the CPU or RAM. If you get a power supply that sends bad voltage to the motherboard and other components in the computer, you're going to have a crappy computer. As you can see I am a big proponent of Quality Power Supplies. The current Tower I made uses a PC Power and Cooling power Supply http://www.pcpower.com/products/viewproduct.php?show=S75QB Tim The Beave Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FORC5 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:16 AM To: Joe User; The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Asus bad bought this brand new, was not puffed. Just got another RMA. Meanwhile here I sit broken hearted :-} I should put Asus in my speed dial fp At 07:09 AM 10/30/2007, Joe User Poked the stick with: Hello FORC5, Monday, October 29, 2007, 6:41:36 PM, you wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( Be on the phone in the AM to do this again. fp Maybe they used puffy looking caps? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key... -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Be sure to use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment.
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Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( Be on the phone in the AM to do this again. fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- I have lost my mind, but it must be backed-up somewhere.
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Everyone is having trouble with caps lately. I suspected this back when the List started seeing it. I planned 4-6yrs for the inventory to process. Guess we are still seeing stuff with bad caps...$$$ talks! Maybe another few years? Best, Duncan At 17:41 10/29/2007 -0700, you wrote: Sent back a MB with a blown cap on rma. mb was not giving me any grief. They sent back a different one with the same cap puffed. May have to find another default MB vendor. :'( Be on the phone in the AM to do this again. fp -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- I have lost my mind, but it must be backed-up somewhere.
