Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Ha! End-losers never backup anyway, so no real increased-risk there! Hopefully as the content market evolves it will not be such a hassle to get copies of what you pay for, and those copies will hopefully by then not be so laden with DRM as to force you to download them illicitly thus making them so valuable that they need to be backed up in the 1st place. Until then... You will need at least 2 if not 3 drives if your content matters, not considering performance or online redundancy since mirror and stripe won't protect you from the delete key. Of course multi-RAID groups, each doing a specific task is ideal, but I don't see that being affordable anytime soon. Hell I priced out a home brew NAS that took into account what I wanted & stopped at $3000 for online (stripe), nearline(parity), offline(JBOD) RAID, DVD-R burner (input/archive) storage of my data. Greg Sevart wrote: > I guess that I just feel that a comprehensive backup solution should be > primarily for irreplaceable or original content--documents, home movies, > pictures, etc. IMO, redundancy (mirror or striping with parity) is a > sufficient level of protection for mass content that you speak of. > > My biggest concern, however, is with big manufacturers starting to ship out > high-performance machines with striped arrays for the marginal (if any) > performance improvement, with no warning of the increased risk of data loss. > > Greg > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- >> >> Downloaded content like music & video comes to mind. >> Backup will be #2 >> use for Blue-ray or HDDVD burners when the become >> cheap enough. >> >> Certainly not often or even in frequent 1 shot full >> backup situation, >> but needs some degree of backup none the less. If my >> 100GB+ of Mp3's >> died I'd loose both time & money replacing them if not >> for some degree >> of backups. So I incremental backup to DVD-R every few >> months, full once >> a year or so. >> >> In a few years households will have multi-TB NAS >> setups (likely with >> built in high capacity discs burners or removable &/or >> spare HDD's for >> backups) simply because "files" is how all content is >> going to end up >> and inaccessibility will be king. MP3 & Video's like >> TV shows/movies >> which are just easier to enjoy when stored centrally >> and accessed from >> menus rather than digging out a CD or DVD disc. >> >> Storage is cheap, buy a few 1TB drives, use one for >> main storage, >> another for online backups, a 3rd for offline backups, >> etc... >> >> Greg Sevart wrote: >>> Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs >> to be backed up? I run >>> nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, >> there's only about 15GB that >>> I consider essential enough to back up. >>> >>> On the commercial side, the problem already exists >> with storage arrays of >>> multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders >> can resolve the backup >>> situation there. >>> >>> Greg >>> > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
I guess that I just feel that a comprehensive backup solution should be primarily for irreplaceable or original content--documents, home movies, pictures, etc. IMO, redundancy (mirror or striping with parity) is a sufficient level of protection for mass content that you speak of. My biggest concern, however, is with big manufacturers starting to ship out high-performance machines with striped arrays for the marginal (if any) performance improvement, with no warning of the increased risk of data loss. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j maccraw > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:14 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > Downloaded content like music & video comes to mind. > Backup will be #2 > use for Blue-ray or HDDVD burners when the become > cheap enough. > > Certainly not often or even in frequent 1 shot full > backup situation, > but needs some degree of backup none the less. If my > 100GB+ of Mp3's > died I'd loose both time & money replacing them if not > for some degree > of backups. So I incremental backup to DVD-R every few > months, full once > a year or so. > > In a few years households will have multi-TB NAS > setups (likely with > built in high capacity discs burners or removable &/or > spare HDD's for > backups) simply because "files" is how all content is > going to end up > and inaccessibility will be king. MP3 & Video's like > TV shows/movies > which are just easier to enjoy when stored centrally > and accessed from > menus rather than digging out a CD or DVD disc. > > Storage is cheap, buy a few 1TB drives, use one for > main storage, > another for online backups, a 3rd for offline backups, > etc... > > Greg Sevart wrote: > > Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs > to be backed up? I run > > nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, > there's only about 15GB that > > I consider essential enough to back up. > > > > On the commercial side, the problem already exists > with storage arrays of > > multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders > can resolve the backup > > situation there. > > > > Greg > >
Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Downloaded content like music & video comes to mind. Backup will be #2 use for Blue-ray or HDDVD burners when the become cheap enough. Certainly not often or even in frequent 1 shot full backup situation, but needs some degree of backup none the less. If my 100GB+ of Mp3's died I'd loose both time & money replacing them if not for some degree of backups. So I incremental backup to DVD-R every few months, full once a year or so. In a few years households will have multi-TB NAS setups (likely with built in high capacity discs burners or removable &/or spare HDD's for backups) simply because "files" is how all content is going to end up and inaccessibility will be king. MP3 & Video's like TV shows/movies which are just easier to enjoy when stored centrally and accessed from menus rather than digging out a CD or DVD disc. Storage is cheap, buy a few 1TB drives, use one for main storage, another for online backups, a 3rd for offline backups, etc... Greg Sevart wrote: > Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run > nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that > I consider essential enough to back up. > > On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of > multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup > situation there. > > Greg > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs >> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM >> To: The Hardware List >> Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive >> >> >> Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? >> If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with > a >> dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! >> >> I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the > Hitachi replacement >> drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. >> Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. >> Best, >> Duncan >> >> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > sent: >>> http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- >> 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 >>> Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive >>> companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. >>> Hitachi was only off by a few days. >>> >>> The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a >>> 3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, >>> then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives >>> for digital video recorders, bundled with software called >>> Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and >>> corporate storage systems. >>> >>> The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to >>> about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar >>> 750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte >>> drive in the first half of 2007. >>> >> >> >> >> >> This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
That's how I do it lately, use an HD for backup. The DLT tape drive is long gone from my system. I back up to a couple different Hardisks right now that are NAS units.. I figger that the chances of losing multiple HD's all at the same time is worth the risk.. :) >>any time you buy 1 disc, buy 2. The second is for backup. >> >>Greg Sevart wrote: >>> The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating redundancy and >>> backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked partition table, >>> accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my mind, RAID is for >>> data that you'd like some level of protection on but can lose, whereas a >>> true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a >>> combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the most important >>> data. >>> >>> >>> As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 setup on independent power circuits should do the trick. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- JRS<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please remove **X** to reply... ...Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult...
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Yes, everything will fail. However, you're talking actual device failure, but that's not the only form of data loss. You could delete something accidentally, or the OS could harf the file system. With RAID and a backup, you're protected against two types of potential data loss. That's why redundancy <> backup. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Maki > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:07 PM > To: 'The Hardware List' > Subject: RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > So, what is the perfect backup solution? DVDs fail. Hard drives fail. Tapes > fail. How many levels of backup are required to make a file "safe" and isn't > this redundancy? > > Jim Maki > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart > > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:52 PM > > To: 'The Hardware List' > > Subject: RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > > > The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating > > redundancy and > > backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked > > partition table, > > accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my > > mind, RAID is for > > data that you'd like some level of protection on but can > > lose, whereas a > > true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a > > combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the > > most important > > data. > > > > > > > > > > As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A > > > good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good > > > controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 > > > setup on independent power circuits should do the trick. > > > > > > >
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Of course, I meant HDs, not DVDs or CDs. I'm definitely a firm believer in only buy a song 1 time - ever. A 1TB HD to back up a 1TB HD. dhs wrote: Great! Good idea. And just what HollyWeird wants you to do. That was the plan all the time :) U figured it out. JMHO. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18 , Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: any time you buy 1 disc, buy 2. The second is for backup. snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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Great! Good idea. And just what HollyWeird wants you to do. That was the plan all the time :) U figured it out. JMHO. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18 , Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > >any time you buy 1 disc, buy 2. The second is for backup. > snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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Jim, Not available yet! Best you can do is "best" we have TODAY! And, it is a user-personal decision. No "one-size-fits-all" here as I see it. I could be very wrong, and, willing to learn. :) And even though what we have seems to have a "pain level," what other choice do we have? Just the nature of an evolving beast. JMHO. BeenThere-Done it-Retired now-Dealing with what is available! Best game in town from my vantage point so far. Stuff happens every day. Patience. If it is needed, it will arrive. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:07 , James Maki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > >So, what is the perfect backup solution? DVDs fail. Hard drives fail. Tapes >fail. How many levels of backup are required to make a file "safe" and isn't >this redundancy? > >Jim Maki >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > snip This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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There is not truly safe backup. The best you an do in life is just to make a copy. And it works, as I have copies of files I created at the very beginning of my computing life. James Maki wrote: So, what is the perfect backup solution? DVDs fail. Hard drives fail. Tapes fail. How many levels of backup are required to make a file "safe" and isn't this redundancy? Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating redundancy and backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked partition table, accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my mind, RAID is for data that you'd like some level of protection on but can lose, whereas a true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the most important data. As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 setup on independent power circuits should do the trick.
Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
any time you buy 1 disc, buy 2. The second is for backup. Greg Sevart wrote: The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating redundancy and backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked partition table, accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my mind, RAID is for data that you'd like some level of protection on but can lose, whereas a true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the most important data. As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 setup on independent power circuits should do the trick.
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
So, what is the perfect backup solution? DVDs fail. Hard drives fail. Tapes fail. How many levels of backup are required to make a file "safe" and isn't this redundancy? Jim Maki [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'The Hardware List' > Subject: RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating > redundancy and > backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked > partition table, > accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my > mind, RAID is for > data that you'd like some level of protection on but can > lose, whereas a > true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a > combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the > most important > data. > > > > > > As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A > > good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good > > controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 > > setup on independent power circuits should do the trick. > > > >
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
The major fallacy in that solution is that you're treating redundancy and backup equally. RAID doesn't protect you from a horked partition table, accidentally deleted file, or blown up power supply. In my mind, RAID is for data that you'd like some level of protection on but can lose, whereas a true backup solution is for data you just can't lose. Of course, a combination of the two is the most ideal approach for the most important data. > > As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A > good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good > controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 > setup on independent power circuits should do the trick. >
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Greg, I completely agree with your personal metrics. I've seen the same with my minimal SDT-7000 tape unit on my server, so kudos to your reality mirror for now. But, in the future as users do movies, music, yards of emaiil, and whatever, the file load can only get out of hand. Quickly! Correct? That's where I was focused on. I've lived thru the past. I look to the future. Hmm. :) JMHO. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:09 , Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > >Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run >nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that >I consider essential enough to back up. > >On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of >multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup >situation there. > >Greg > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs >> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM >> To: The Hardware List >> Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive >> >> >> Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? >> If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with >a >> dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! >> >> I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the >Hitachi replacement >> drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. >> Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. >> Best, >> Duncan >> >> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >sent: >> >> > >> >http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- >> 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 >> > >> >Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive >> >companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. >> >Hitachi was only off by a few days. >> > >> >The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a >> >3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, >> >then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives >> >for digital video recorders, bundled with software called >> >Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and >> >corporate storage systems. >> > >> >The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to >> >about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar >> >750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte >> >drive in the first half of 2007. >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net > > > This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Damn right - I need somewhere between 3.0 and 6.0 TB of space for my HTPC server. For a few years now computing power has been a commodity with the rise of cheap server farms and blades. The next step is to make multiple terabytes a commodity as well, because as we start digitizing our life through photos, music, video, email, etc we are going to need all the storage we can get. As for the backup solution, I think the only real answer is RAID. A good RAID 5 setup will do the job nicely as long as you have a good controller and a UPS. If you want to get really secure a RAID 50 setup on independent power circuits should do the trick. On 1/5/07, Anthony Q. Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's the wrong question to ask A better question to ask is if there any home users who want 1TB of HD space for whatever reason at an affordable price. The answer to that question is yes. One doesn't buy a backup app for the size of data...one buys HDs to store stuff, even nonessential stuff. Ripped movie farms, home video, etc. Greg Sevart wrote: > Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run > nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that > I consider essential enough to back up. > > On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of > multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup > situation there. > > Greg > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs >> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM >> To: The Hardware List >> Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive >> >> >> Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? >> If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with >> > a > >> dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! >> >> I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the >> > Hitachi replacement > >> drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. >> Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. >> Best, >> Duncan >> >> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > sent: > >>> http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- >>> >> 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 >> >>> Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive >>> companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. >>> Hitachi was only off by a few days. >>> >>> The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a >>> 3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, >>> then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives >>> for digital video recorders, bundled with software called >>> Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and >>> corporate storage systems. >>> >>> The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to >>> about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar >>> 750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte >>> drive in the first half of 2007. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net >> > > > > > -- Brian
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That's the wrong question to ask A better question to ask is if there any home users who want 1TB of HD space for whatever reason at an affordable price. The answer to that question is yes. One doesn't buy a backup app for the size of data...one buys HDs to store stuff, even nonessential stuff. Ripped movie farms, home video, etc. Greg Sevart wrote: Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that I consider essential enough to back up. On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup situation there. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with a dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the Hitachi replacement drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. Hitachi was only off by a few days. The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a 3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives for digital video recorders, bundled with software called Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and corporate storage systems. The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar 750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte drive in the first half of 2007. This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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I have almost a TB of digital photos backed up on external drives and a TB NAS RAID array. And my catalog continues to grow ~150-200G a year. My oldest son is just getting into video, I imagine that will take up even more space! -Gary On 1/5/07, Greg Sevart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that I consider essential enough to back up. On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup situation there. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > > Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? > If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with a > dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! > > I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the Hitachi replacement > drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. > Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. > Best, > Duncan > > On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > > > > >http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- > 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 > > > >Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive > >companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. > >Hitachi was only off by a few days. > > > >The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a > >3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, > >then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives > >for digital video recorders, bundled with software called > >Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and > >corporate storage systems. > > > >The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to > >about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar > >750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte > >drive in the first half of 2007. > > > > > > > > This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net -- -Gary
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Is there really 1.0TB of home user data that needs to be backed up? I run nightly backups on my machine. Out of over 4TB, there's only about 15GB that I consider essential enough to back up. On the commercial side, the problem already exists with storage arrays of multiple TB or more. High-dollar LTO-3 autoloaders can resolve the backup situation there. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhs > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:56 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: Re: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > > Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? > If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with a > dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! > > I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the Hitachi replacement > drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. > Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. > Best, > Duncan > > On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > > > > >http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- > 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 > > > >Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive > >companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. > >Hitachi was only off by a few days. > > > >The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a > >3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, > >then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives > >for digital video recorders, bundled with software called > >Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and > >corporate storage systems. > > > >The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to > >about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar > >750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte > >drive in the first half of 2007. > > > > > > > > This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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Nice news! But, has anybody thought about backup apps for HD's this big? If I had a drive of 1TB, it would take me about a week to do a backup with a dual P3-1Gz server!! LOL!! I'll wait for Seagate, although I've had very good service from the Hitachi replacement drives in my server. I do like the 7Kx series of HDs from Hitachi. Maybe 'old' IBM drives, but, they are still very strong HDs. Best, Duncan On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:36 , Winterlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > >http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041-6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 > >Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive >companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. >Hitachi was only off by a few days. > >The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a >3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, >then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives >for digital video recorders, bundled with software called >Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and >corporate storage systems. > >The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to >about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar >750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte >drive in the first half of 2007. > This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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Yes. Probably same personnel though...and there's a reason why most manufacturers do not have 5 platter designs--they're notoriously difficult. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:09 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > > > Hitachi will be releasing the first > >5-platter design from the firm since the infamous 75GXP > > but wasn't the 75GXP manufactured by IBM... before they sold out to Hitachi? > >
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Hitachi will be releasing the first 5-platter design from the firm since the infamous 75GXP but wasn't the 75GXP manufactured by IBM... before they sold out to Hitachi?
RE: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
Seagate will be releasing a 1.0TB drive in the first half of this year as well. However, this will be a four-platter design using 250GB/platter 2nd generation perpendicular technology. Hitachi will be releasing the first 5-platter design from the firm since the infamous 75GXP...on their first generation of perp products. Yeah, I'll wait. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:37 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: [H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive > > http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041- > 6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 > > Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive > companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. > Hitachi was only off by a few days. > > The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a > 3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, > then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives > for digital video recorders, bundled with software called > Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and > corporate storage systems. > > The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to > about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar > 750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte > drive in the first half of 2007.
[H] Here comes the terabyte hard drive
http://news.com.com/Here+comes+the+terabyte+hard+drive/2100-1041-6147409.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703 Last year, Hitachi Global Storage Technologies predicted hard-drive companies would announce 1 terabyte drives by the end of 2006. Hitachi was only off by a few days. The company said on Thursday that it will come out with a 3.5-inch-diameter 1 terabyte drive for desktops in the first quarter, then follow up in the second quarter with 3.5-inch terabyte drives for digital video recorders, bundled with software called Audio-Visual Storage Manager for easier retrieval of data, and corporate storage systems. The Deskstar 7K1000 will cost $399 when it comes out. That comes to about 40 cents a gigabyte. Hitachi will also come out with a similar 750GB drive. Rival Seagate Technology will come out with a 1 terabyte drive in the first half of 2007.
