Re: [H] New build trouble?
Well you might have fixed it last time by moving the DIMMs, maybe it was just a matter of reseating them or there is a bad socket??? -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New build trouble? OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. I am no clueless as to how to figure out which of the major components is bad (for RMA purposes). I do have a new spare m/b, cpu w/hs/fan, dimms, and psu. I will be building this hdw tonight. I really hate it when a plan goes into the tank! I do suspect infant mortality. But, at this point I have not got a clue to who/what! If I were to take the bare m/b, w/mounted cpu and hs/fan plus dimms, and, the psu to a qualified repair shop, do you think they could sort out just what is broken? ? ? Thank you, Duncan At 20:39 12/20/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1st thing I would do is clear the cmos, sometimes something there keeps them back. Make sure clear cmos jumper is in the normal position, they sometimes ship in the clear position. Powersupply all connections hooked up. fp At 05:24 PM 12/20/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Can I go back to bed now?
Re: [H] New build trouble?
Mark, You have a very good point. I tested the suspect dimm in all available sockets. Same failure...each test. Not satisfied, I then took the same dimm to another like machine (same hdw) and swapped out 1 good dimm for this suspect dimm. The other machine booted up the same (bad) way as the suspect machine. I conclude that this dimm is just bad. Yes, I will accept that I may have killed it. Really do not think so. I am focused on infant mortality. I will give it up that the suspect m/b may still harbor a NOW bad dimm slot. Guess I will not know until a replacement dimm arrives to confirm. The m/b plays fine with the workable dimm in both slot 0 (black) and slot 2 (black). (slot 1 (orange) and slot 3 (orange) are for OverClocking the m/b; I do not use them!) So far, this test (suspect) machine has been running fine with only 1GB of RAM for ~2wks 24/7 w/o any trouble.. :) Crucial and I will now decide whether I get warranty protection or not. The RMA/Warranty claim is in process. Thanks, Duncan At 17:19 01/21/2009 -0600, you wrote: Well you might have fixed it last time by moving the DIMMs, maybe it was just a matter of reseating them or there is a bad socket??? -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DHSinclair Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:04 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] New build trouble? OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. I am no clueless as to how to figure out which of the major components is bad (for RMA purposes). I do have a new spare m/b, cpu w/hs/fan, dimms, and psu. I will be building this hdw tonight. I really hate it when a plan goes into the tank! I do suspect infant mortality. But, at this point I have not got a clue to who/what! If I were to take the bare m/b, w/mounted cpu and hs/fan plus dimms, and, the psu to a qualified repair shop, do you think they could sort out just what is broken? ? ? Thank you, Duncan At 20:39 12/20/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1st thing I would do is clear the cmos, sometimes something there keeps them back. Make sure clear cmos jumper is in the normal position, they sometimes ship in the clear position. Powersupply all connections hooked up. fp At 05:24 PM 12/20/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Can I go back to bed now?
Re: [H] New build trouble?
To reset a soc 775 CPU fan, you REALLY need the factory instructions. Both for proper removal and to pre-set the pins to properly try again. The friend I mentioned broke his fan mounting and I had to get a replacement fan (a heat pipe type third party) shipped in. He was lucky to have an MB where thermal protection was the default setting in the BIOS or he might have damaged the CPU. I have the retail boxed instructions for an E8500 if you need them scanned and e-mailed. (It would be faster and easier if Intel had them somewhere on their WEB site.) Rick Glazier From: DHSinclair Merry Christmas! Rick, Yes, I do plan to check the hs/fan combo first. I did have trouble getting it to click on to the m/b. I do suspect this even though the fan spins at power on (as does the chassis fan). I will start a debug session in a day or so. The final set of new parts are mounted and running well ATM in the guest BR! So, I am 2 out of 3 ATM. Yes, I suppose that the I-775 socket can be troublesome. Each time I mounted a cpu I sat and wondered about the manufacturing process that made a socket so small that has 775 small pins in it. That is some precision.still amazed... :) Best of the Season! Duncan At 04:27 12/25/2008 -0500, you wrote: The E8400 is a socket 775. Check the CPU heatsink. That is a poor design, and I patched up friends box when the fan fell off, (or got a little loose). Rick Glazier DHSinclair wrote: j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench.
Re: [H] New build trouble?
Rick, Believe you could be close. But, Intel has very good install and removal/reset instructions in the booklet that comes with the retail E8400's. And, Asus duplicates thes instructions in the m/b UM. Still, these default hs/fans from Intel are quite odd to install. I will double check the hs/fan on the system that does not work; after I find a case to put it back into. Just now I am finishing up my upgrades to XP. I have completed my last client. But I have only managed to get the system to SP2. I do not have enough space on the hd to finish the upgrade to SP3. I am digging around in the file stack looking for stuff to delete w/o killing the system. The defrag color bar looks like both the old W2K system and the new XP system are present separately. I thought that XP would stitch itself into the W2K file system and upgrade/install/remove what was no longer needed. Does not look like this, however... :( Merry Christmas! Duncan At 06:11 12/26/2008 -0500, you wrote: To reset a soc 775 CPU fan, you REALLY need the factory instructions. Both for proper removal and to pre-set the pins to properly try again. The friend I mentioned broke his fan mounting and I had to get a replacement fan (a heat pipe type third party) shipped in. He was lucky to have an MB where thermal protection was the default setting in the BIOS or he might have damaged the CPU. I have the retail boxed instructions for an E8500 if you need them scanned and e-mailed. (It would be faster and easier if Intel had them somewhere on their WEB site.) Rick Glazier From: DHSinclair Merry Christmas! Rick, Yes, I do plan to check the hs/fan combo first. I did have trouble getting it to click on to the m/b. I do suspect this even though the fan spins at power on (as does the chassis fan). I will start a debug session in a day or so. The final set of new parts are mounted and running well ATM in the guest BR! So, I am 2 out of 3 ATM. Yes, I suppose that the I-775 socket can be troublesome. Each time I mounted a cpu I sat and wondered about the manufacturing process that made a socket so small that has 775 small pins in it. That is some precision.still amazed... :) Best of the Season! Duncan At 04:27 12/25/2008 -0500, you wrote: The E8400 is a socket 775. Check the CPU heatsink. That is a poor design, and I patched up friends box when the fan fell off, (or got a little loose). Rick Glazier DHSinclair wrote: j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench.
Re: [H] New build trouble?
The E8400 is a socket 775. Check the CPU heatsink. That is a poor design, and I patched up friends box when the fan fell off, (or got a little loose). Rick Glazier DHSinclair wrote: j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench.
Re: [H] New build trouble?
Merry Christmas! Rick, Yes, I do plan to check the hs/fan combo first. I did have trouble getting it to click on to the m/b. I do suspect this even though the fan spins at power on (as does the chassis fan). I will start a debug session in a day or so. The final set of new parts are mounted and running well ATM in the guest BR! So, I am 2 out of 3 ATM. Yes, I suppose that the I-775 socket can be troublesome. Each time I mounted a cpu I sat and wondered about the manufacturing process that made a socket so small that has 775 small pins in it. That is some precision.still amazed... :) Best of the Season! Duncan At 04:27 12/25/2008 -0500, you wrote: The E8400 is a socket 775. Check the CPU heatsink. That is a poor design, and I patched up friends box when the fan fell off, (or got a little loose). Rick Glazier DHSinclair wrote: j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench.
Re: [H] New build trouble?
j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench. I do plan to try and run it naked (sans case), and with only 1 dimm. A bit confused about the DMM work to do; the AC outlet power is nominal at 120VAC. The old PC works fine in the guest BR on the same ups...very odd. Merry Christmas!! Thanks, Duncan At 22:16 12/23/2008 -0800, you wrote: Did it work if you move it back to where you had it? I'd try that before I blame the build! If so, time to get a DMM out check the power+ground on the outlets. DHSinclair wrote: OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. snip
Re: [H] New build trouble?
If it don't work moved back, then the DMM suggestion is moot obviously. Good luck sorting it out, new builds can be a PITA for sure! DHSinclair wrote: j., No it did not even work back here on my desk/workbench. I do plan to try and run it naked (sans case), and with only 1 dimm. A bit confused about the DMM work to do; the AC outlet power is nominal at 120VAC. The old PC works fine in the guest BR on the same ups...very odd. Merry Christmas!! Thanks, Duncan At 22:16 12/23/2008 -0800, you wrote: Did it work if you move it back to where you had it? I'd try that before I blame the build! If so, time to get a DMM out check the power+ground on the outlets. DHSinclair wrote: OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. snip
Re: [H] New build trouble?
OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. I am no clueless as to how to figure out which of the major components is bad (for RMA purposes). I do have a new spare m/b, cpu w/hs/fan, dimms, and psu. I will be building this hdw tonight. I really hate it when a plan goes into the tank! I do suspect infant mortality. But, at this point I have not got a clue to who/what! If I were to take the bare m/b, w/mounted cpu and hs/fan plus dimms, and, the psu to a qualified repair shop, do you think they could sort out just what is broken? ? ? Thank you, Duncan At 20:39 12/20/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1st thing I would do is clear the cmos, sometimes something there keeps them back. Make sure clear cmos jumper is in the normal position, they sometimes ship in the clear position. Powersupply all connections hooked up. fp At 05:24 PM 12/20/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Can I go back to bed now?
Re: [H] New build trouble?
Did it work if you move it back to where you had it? I'd try that before I blame the build! If so, time to get a DMM out check the power+ground on the outlets. DHSinclair wrote: OK, I am now flumoxed! This new system worked fine for 4 days until I moved to my back bedroom! Plugged it in and it did not work. If fact, it did NOT work exactly like before I moved the RAM dimms I have now take the system apart and have the m/b w/cpu and hs/fan mounted plus the pair of dimms.. snip
[H] New build trouble?
Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan
Re: [H] New build trouble?
Have you selected the right input on the Dell display? Perhaps you inadvertently switched from DVI to VGA or something. At 04:24 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan
Re: [H] New build trouble-NOW WERZ!
Winterlight, Very good thought. The display runs thru my switchview KVA. I thought of getting my spare panel just to eliminate the kvm switch. As luck would have it! I left my old PCI(32) FX5500 in the build. Then I looked at DIMM slots the RAM was plugged into...LSSI moved the RAM from the orange slots (dimmA2 and dimm b2) to the black slots (dimmA1 and dimm B1) The rotten pile of parts finally powered up, beeped, lit up the display and I now have the basic bios (0401) set to start a fresh XP install! The new toy is burning trons as I write this reply! Jazzed I AM! I am now going to have to go back an dig more into the UM about how/why the DIMM slots are so different. These new toys are very finicky about WHAT goes WHERE it seems. After I get the hd partitioned, formatted, and, XP loaded and fully patched, I will again try the ATI 4670 video card. [for later!] But, I still have some other video card questions about this.I have 2 DVI-VGA adapters. The gray one (now in use w/FX5500) has a complete array of pins to match the DVI output of the video card. The new white DVI-VGA adapter is missing many of the pins. And, the ATI docs refer to this adapter as a DVI-HDMI adapter..Funny that the back end still looks like a standard blue VGA output. Very curious ATM. But, not yet critical, or another issue. Thank you, Duncan At 16:36 12/20/2008 -0800, you wrote: Have you selected the right input on the Dell display? Perhaps you inadvertently switched from DVI to VGA or something. At 04:24 PM 12/20/2008, you wrote: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan
Re: [H] New build trouble?
1st thing I would do is clear the cmos, sometimes something there keeps them back. Make sure clear cmos jumper is in the normal position, they sometimes ship in the clear position. Powersupply all connections hooked up. fp At 05:24 PM 12/20/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Can I go back to bed now?
Re: [H] New build trouble?
fp, I got really lucky on this one. It seems I chose the wrong DIMM slots... Yes, I'll read up on this; but, when I move the dimms from the orange slots to the black slots, the damn thing fired up like nobodies business! I am still sitting here is a mild state of shock! (after 4 hours!) Thank you. Best, Duncan At 20:39 12/20/2008 -0700, you wrote: 1st thing I would do is clear the cmos, sometimes something there keeps them back. Make sure clear cmos jumper is in the normal position, they sometimes ship in the clear position. Powersupply all connections hooked up. fp At 05:24 PM 12/20/2008, DHSinclair Poked the stick with: Seeking opinions and suggestions. I have a brand new PC built that will NOT light UP the display and provides NO POST codes either. I am stumped. I am building a new PC to replace my old gaming platform. The old gaming platform uses an Adaptec 29160-64 and a pair of 18.4GB Cheetahs. I have run out of space on the c:/ partition, so it is time to backup and build a new, modern replacement PC. The new PC is: Asus P5Q3 m/b 2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 RAM Intel E8400 C2D using the stock hs/fan ATI R4670 video card Seagate ST316015AS 160GB SATA HD AOpen D-1240 PATA DVDROM PCPC 610 EPS12V PSU Since it will NOT even light up the Dell panel (no video out), I'm stuck in the ozone. I do have a new spare m/b, a new spare E8400, and a new spare PCPC 610 EPS12V psu. I have tried my spare Matrox G200 PCI and my spare FX550 PCI video cards. Neither will light up the display... Most odd! Just wondering where to start? My little black book is missing some magic! Thank you, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Can I go back to bed now?
