Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
No Marantz Gold series tube type from the seventies, that is the best. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ruset Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:11 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable Right. My knowledge of the super high end is limited. :) I have a Marantz SR-8200 receiver that I bought back in 2002 that's still humming along nicely. 90% of the time it's on playing Dora the Explorer DVD's for my daughter, so it's not like I'd have any need to update anytime soon. Hayes Elkins wrote: > None of those brands are really high priced "high end" either...if you want insane prices to match an insane cable, Krell, Cary, Theta, Mark Levinson fit the bill...
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Is it April first or what -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:17 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable Review from an Amazon customer: Disappointing quality, June 11, 2008 By Michael McKinley A caution to people buying these: if you do not follow the "directional markings" on the cables, your music will play backwards. Please check that before mentioning it in your reviews. I was disappointed. I consider myself an audiophile - I regularly spend over $1000 on cables to get the ultimate sound. I keep my music-listening room in a Faraday cage to prevent any interference that could alter my music-listening experience. Sending any signal down ordinary copper can degrade the signal considerably. While ordinary listeners might not notice, to somebody with even a rudimentary knowledge of sound, the artifacts are glaring. Denon should have used silver wiring (hermetically sealed inside the rubber sheath to prevent any tarnishing, of course), which has a significantly higher conductivity than copper. Furthermore, Denon needs to treat the wires they use in the cable with a polarity inductor to ensure minimal phase variance. Needless to say, I returned the cable and wrote an angry letter to the so-called engineers at Denon. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:21:03 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable > > You guys don't know what you're talking about. Have you even tried this cable or are you just believing what people tell you? This cable brought out the highs in my music better than any cable I have ever used. Better than my Pear Anjou's, Stealth Indra's even my MT Oracle cable. > > You guys are so lame. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins > Sent: Fri 6/13/2008 4:03 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable > > > > > It's a "proprietary interconnect", meaning they take a 30 cent run of chinese cat-5 and cross a few wires. Genius.> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:59:39 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet cable>> Yep. From what I can gather it's just an ethernet cable used to connect> various pieces of Denon gear together. You know, the same technology that> we have been using to connect various computers together for quite a bit of> time.>> > Brian>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Hayes Elkins > wrote:>>>>>>> And of all things, a super expensive interconnect for a RECIEVER? LOL!! The>> most miserably marketed snake oil product ever put forth I think. At least>> prior snake oil audiophile garbage was hawked to the right target - owners>> of high end "audiophile" gear.>>>> With most home theaters having a 100% digital chain>> (hdmi/dvi/coax/optical), you'd think this kind of crap would go away.>> Apparently Denon didn't get the memo.>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:51:02 -0400>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com>>> Subject: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet>> cable>>>>>> http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#>>>>>> "Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum>> signal>>> transfer.">>>>>> Um, yeah. They show data goes both in and out of each plug.>>>>>> >>> Brian>>>> _>> It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through>> Windows Live(tm) Messenger. Learn how.>> https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > _ > Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live(tm) Messenger. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends > _ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows LiveT Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1502 - Release Date: 6/13/2008 7:25 PM
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Right. My knowledge of the super high end is limited. :) I have a Marantz SR-8200 receiver that I bought back in 2002 that's still humming along nicely. 90% of the time it's on playing Dora the Explorer DVD's for my daughter, so it's not like I'd have any need to update anytime soon. Hayes Elkins wrote: None of those brands are really high priced "high end" either...if you want insane prices to match an insane cable, Krell, Cary, Theta, Mark Levinson fit the bill... Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:27:30 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable Yeah, but the types of people who are buying $500 cables are not the types that will typically buy Denon gear. They're more in Marantz, Rotel, NAD, etc. territory. (And even Marantz is pretty low brow in the audiophile world.) Working quite well is another story. I know people with HTIAB systems that "work quite well." They sound pretty good to me.
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
None of those brands are really high priced "high end" either...if you want insane prices to match an insane cable, Krell, Cary, Theta, Mark Levinson fit the bill... > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:27:30 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > Yeah, but the types of people who are buying $500 cables are not the > types that will typically buy Denon gear. They're more in Marantz, > Rotel, NAD, etc. territory. (And even Marantz is pretty low brow in the > audiophile world.) > > Working quite well is another story. I know people with HTIAB systems > that "work quite well." They sound pretty good to me. > > DHSinclair wrote: >> maybe you've never used the Denon POA-3000-5000 series Class A amps. >> Or their mono-blocs. Have a POA-3000 that works quite well. Different >> strokes perhaps. >> Duncan >> >> At 22:21 06/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: >>> Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running >>> Denon gear in the first place. >> >> _ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_062008
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Yeah, but the types of people who are buying $500 cables are not the types that will typically buy Denon gear. They're more in Marantz, Rotel, NAD, etc. territory. (And even Marantz is pretty low brow in the audiophile world.) Working quite well is another story. I know people with HTIAB systems that "work quite well." They sound pretty good to me. DHSinclair wrote: maybe you've never used the Denon POA-3000-5000 series Class A amps. Or their mono-blocs. Have a POA-3000 that works quite well. Different strokes perhaps. Duncan At 22:21 06/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running Denon gear in the first place.
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
maybe you've never used the Denon POA-3000-5000 series Class A amps. Or their mono-blocs. Have a POA-3000 that works quite well. Different strokes perhaps. Duncan At 22:21 06/13/2008 -0400, you wrote: Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running Denon gear in the first place.
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
But look at it this way - all you have to do is sell one and you probably made a profit on the whole deal, including marketing and R&D. Brian On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually that's the first thing I hinted at - a audiophile cable for a > lowbrow receiver? Bah! > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:21:54 -0400 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > > > Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running Denon > > gear in the first place. > > _ > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through > Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow >
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Actually that's the first thing I hinted at - a audiophile cable for a lowbrow receiver? Bah! > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:21:54 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running Denon > gear in the first place. _ It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Review from an Amazon customer: Disappointing quality, June 11, 2008 By Michael McKinley A caution to people buying these: if you do not follow the "directional markings" on the cables, your music will play backwards. Please check that before mentioning it in your reviews. I was disappointed. I consider myself an audiophile - I regularly spend over $1000 on cables to get the ultimate sound. I keep my music-listening room in a Faraday cage to prevent any interference that could alter my music-listening experience. Sending any signal down ordinary copper can degrade the signal considerably. While ordinary listeners might not notice, to somebody with even a rudimentary knowledge of sound, the artifacts are glaring. Denon should have used silver wiring (hermetically sealed inside the rubber sheath to prevent any tarnishing, of course), which has a significantly higher conductivity than copper. Furthermore, Denon needs to treat the wires they use in the cable with a polarity inductor to ensure minimal phase variance. Needless to say, I returned the cable and wrote an angry letter to the so-called engineers at Denon. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:21:03 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > You guys don't know what you're talking about. Have you even tried this cable > or are you just believing what people tell you? This cable brought out the > highs in my music better than any cable I have ever used. Better than my Pear > Anjou's, Stealth Indra's even my MT Oracle cable. > > You guys are so lame. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins > Sent: Fri 6/13/2008 4:03 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > > > > It's a "proprietary interconnect", meaning they take a 30 cent run of chinese > cat-5 and cross a few wires. Genius.> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:59:39 -0400> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] OT > - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet cable>> Yep. From what > I can gather it's just an ethernet cable used to connect> various pieces of > Denon gear together. You know, the same technology that> we have been using > to connect various computers together for quite a bit of> time.>> > > Brian>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Hayes Elkins > wrote:>>>>>>> And of > all things, a super expensive interconnect for a RECIEVER? LOL!! The>> most > miserably marketed snake oil product ever put forth I think. At least>> prior > snake oil audiophile garbage was hawked to the right target - owners>> of > high end "audiophile" gear.>>>> With most home theaters having a 100% digital > chain>> (hdmi/dvi/coax/optical), you'd think this kind of crap would go > away.>> Apparently Denon didn't get the memo.>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 > 15:51:02 -0400>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> To: > hardware@hardwaregroup.com>>> Subject: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are > idiots- the $500 Ethernet>> cable>>>>>> > http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#>>>>>> "Additionally, signal > directional markings are provided for optimum>> signal>>> transfer.">>>>>> > Um, yeah. They show data goes both in and out of each plug.>>>>>> >>> > Brian>>>> _>> > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through>> > Windows Live(tm) Messenger. Learn how.>> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > _ > Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you > on Windows Live(tm) Messenger. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends > _ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
Nobody has mentioned that audiophiles are not likely to be running Denon gear in the first place.
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
LOL. What's sad is I've actually heard that argument almost word for word before :) - Brian On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Don Couture <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You guys don't know what you're talking about. Have you even tried this > cable or are you just believing what people tell you? This cable brought > out the highs in my music better than any cable I have ever used. Better > than my Pear Anjou's, Stealth Indra's even my MT Oracle cable. > > You guys are so lame. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins > Sent: Fri 6/13/2008 4:03 PM > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com > Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet > cable > > > > > It's a "proprietary interconnect", meaning they take a 30 cent run of > chinese cat-5 and cross a few wires. Genius.> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 > 15:59:39 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles > are idiots- the $500 Ethernet cable> > Yep. From what I can gather it's just > an ethernet cable used to connect> various pieces of Denon gear together. > You know, the same technology that> we have been using to connect various > computers together for quite a bit of> time.> > > Brian> > On Fri, Jun > 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> > > >> >> > And of all things, a super expensive interconnect for a RECIEVER? > LOL!! The> > most miserably marketed snake oil product ever put forth I > think. At least> > prior snake oil audiophile garbage was hawked to the > right target - owners> > of high end "audiophile" gear.> >> > With most home > theaters having a 100% digital chain> > (hdmi/dvi/coax/optical), you'd think > this kind of crap would go away.> > Apparently Denon didn't get the memo.> > >> > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:51:02 -0400> > > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> > > Subject: > [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet> > cable> > >> > > > http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#> > >> > > > "Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum> > > signal> > > transfer."> > >> > > Um, yeah. They show data goes both in and > out of each plug.> > >> > > > > > Brian> >> > > _> > It's > easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through> > Windows > Live(tm) Messenger. Learn how.> > > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow > _ > Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join > you on Windows Live(tm) Messenger. > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends > >
Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Have you even tried this cable or are you just believing what people tell you? This cable brought out the highs in my music better than any cable I have ever used. Better than my Pear Anjou's, Stealth Indra's even my MT Oracle cable. You guys are so lame. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Hayes Elkins Sent: Fri 6/13/2008 4:03 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500Ethernet cable It's a "proprietary interconnect", meaning they take a 30 cent run of chinese cat-5 and cross a few wires. Genius.> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:59:39 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> Subject: Re: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet cable> > Yep. From what I can gather it's just an ethernet cable used to connect> various pieces of Denon gear together. You know, the same technology that> we have been using to connect various computers together for quite a bit of> time.> > > Brian> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Hayes Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> > >> >> > And of all things, a super expensive interconnect for a RECIEVER? LOL!! The> > most miserably marketed snake oil product ever put forth I think. At least> > prior snake oil audiophile garbage was hawked to the right target - owners> > of high end "audiophile" gear.> >> > With most home theaters having a 100% digital chain> > (hdmi/dvi/coax/optical), you'd think this kind of crap would go away.> > Apparently Denon didn't get the memo.> >> > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:51:02 -0400> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> > > Subject: [H] OT - Proof that audiophiles are idiots- the $500 Ethernet> > cable> > >> > > http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#> > >> > > "Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum> > signal> > > transfer."> > >> > > Um, yeah. They show data goes both in and out of each plug.> > >> > > > > > Brian> >> > _> > It's easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites through> > Windows Live(tm) Messenger. Learn how.> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow _ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live(tm) Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends
