Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[maccrawj]

LOL, he's still on DSL Brian!

On 2/11/2010 1:14 PM, Bryan Seitz wrote:

The way to go:

Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote:

If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship "all over the place"
then "all new" is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around
people that did bad work. (Still do.)

Use the best wire you can afford.

FWIW: Redesign "the plan..."
I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from
phone junction boxes in my basement.
(Pick a "better spot?" in your crawl space?)

I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside,
hidden in the bushes  (buried in the snow)..

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc"

Rick/Forc5,
Yes. I recall Cat3.
No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[maccrawj]

Support it? It's commonly known that stranded is used for short runs & patches made 
so because it flexes easier and resists metal fatigue of bending without breaking.


Go open a wall in your house & pull out all the cables. Everything from CAT3 phone 
line, to RG6 CATV, to Romex will be solid conductor.



On 2/10/2010 7:38 PM, Soren wrote:

Do you have any links to support this, pls?

I'm very interested in this subject, as I work with different types of
cables on a daily basis.

JRS wrote:


Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed
wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on
the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for
shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[DSinc]

Ding! Ding!
Reads like just where I have been.and am.
Odd too..
Old technology, but still with us all.
Best,
Duncan


On 02/11/2010 21:25, Rick Glazier wrote:

We had a room on a slab. Hard to "fish".
Cordless works great, but we still have our old wired phones from
25 years ago and are on our third sets of cordless ones...
Can't win...

Rick Glazier

From: "Bryan Seitz" Phone-internal?



The way to go:

Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Rick Glazier]

We had a room on a slab. Hard to "fish".
Cordless works great, but we still have our old wired phones from
25 years ago and are on our third sets of cordless ones...
Can't win...

Rick Glazier

From: "Bryan Seitz"  Phone-internal?



The way to go:

Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Bryan Seitz]

Oh yeah I spose those are important hehe! ;)

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 05:11:05PM -0500, DSinc wrote:
> Bryan,
> Understand. I have one. Still need lines for dsl and ADT.
> Not completely troglodyte.
> Duncan
> 
> 
> On 02/11/2010 16:14, Bryan Seitz wrote:
> > The way to go:
> >
> > Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote:
> >> If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship "all over the place"
> >> then "all new" is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around
> >> people that did bad work. (Still do.)
> >>
> >> Use the best wire you can afford.
> >>
> >> FWIW: Redesign "the plan..."
> >> I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from
> >> phone junction boxes in my basement.
> >> (Pick a "better spot?" in your crawl space?)
> >>
> >> I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside,
> >> hidden in the bushes  (buried in the snow)..
> >>
> >> Rick Glazier
> >>
> >> From: "DSinc"
> >>> Rick/Forc5,
> >>> Yes. I recall Cat3.
> >>> No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.
> >

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[DSinc]

Bryan,
Understand. I have one. Still need lines for dsl and ADT.
Not completely troglodyte.
Duncan


On 02/11/2010 16:14, Bryan Seitz wrote:

The way to go:

Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote:

If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship "all over the place"
then "all new" is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around
people that did bad work. (Still do.)

Use the best wire you can afford.

FWIW: Redesign "the plan..."
I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from
phone junction boxes in my basement.
(Pick a "better spot?" in your crawl space?)

I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside,
hidden in the bushes  (buried in the snow)..

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc"

Rick/Forc5,
Yes. I recall Cat3.
No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Bryan Seitz]

The way to go:

Cordless... phone... 5Ghz... done.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 03:45:29PM -0500, Rick Glazier wrote:
> If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship "all over the place"
> then "all new" is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around
> people that did bad work. (Still do.)
> 
> Use the best wire you can afford.
> 
> FWIW: Redesign "the plan..."
> I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from
> phone junction boxes in my basement.
> (Pick a "better spot?" in your crawl space?)
> 
> I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside,
> hidden in the bushes  (buried in the snow)..
> 
> Rick Glazier
> 
> From: "DSinc" 
> > Rick/Forc5,
> > Yes. I recall Cat3.
> > No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.

-- 
 
Bryan G. Seitz

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Rick Glazier]

If you see damage, corrosion, or bad workmanship "all over the place"
then "all new" is the obvious way to go. I made a living following around
people that did bad work. (Still do.)

Use the best wire you can afford.

FWIW: Redesign "the plan..."
I brought my phone lines into the house and made distribution from
phone junction boxes in my basement.
(Pick a "better spot?" in your crawl space?)

I figured it was stupid to run ALL the wires to the outside,
hidden in the bushes  (buried in the snow)..

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc" 

Rick/Forc5,
Yes. I recall Cat3.
No. I have not tried splitting any feeds.

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[DSinc]

Rick/Forc5,
Yes. I recall Cat3.
No. I have not tried splitting any feeds. There are 8 phone wires 
(lines) coming out of the crawl-space to the NID. I only have (had) 4 
active phone jacks (I do not use the jack in the master bedroom). Well, 
4 + the ADT system. But the ADT system has its' own dedicated line to 
the NID.


The area at the NID looks like a bucket of snakes! The ATT guy gave me 
the two Cat5-color-code wires to allow me to reconnect my home. The ATT 
guy connected the ADT system...he said he had to by law. OK.


OK. It is mid-20'sF - mid-30'sF ATM. I do not do cold well! Much less, 
playing in the confined area of my crawl space. OK. Rate me a wimp! Call 
me lazy! Besides, I am not a phone expert.


The old wiring looks like it went in ~1965. I bought the home in 2003. 
The 9-10ft of external exposed phone-line(s) has dried-out, cracked 
casing. Most of the internal copper lines look corroded/bad.
Plus I do see evidence that some non-pro "weekend warrior" has been 
into/at the phone lines in years past.

This has been a home upgrade project of mine since 2003.

I have no problem paying to yank out the old stuff and running new 
lines. Well, if I am allowed to do what I'd like to end up with.

I'll start a new thread to seek guidance of my current plan/thoughts.
Best,
Duncan



On 02/11/2010 08:40, FORC5 wrote:

overkill is good but when I wired my new shop I used cat 3 for the phone.
fp

At 06:02 AM 2/11/2010, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with:

For normal in-house wiring to ONLY PHONES Cat-5 or 6 is a little over-kill.

That might be hard to find though and I never priced it.
I'm still using the old ATT 4 wire stuff. I bought a 1000' spool of it.

My house was "pre-wired" when built with a 6 or 8 wire cable.
The painters for the seller damaged the cable and shoved it in a wall
and buried it by patching over it solid with plaster.
I have the proper tools to find that sort of thing.

Have you tried splitting your "feeds" (inside the house) and seeing
which section has "trouble"?
It is odd that damage occurred, and it would never  involve the entire
system and EVERY run of wire.

OTOH, it is like formatting a computer. Sometimes a "clean sweep"
is better or easier. My wires are 100% "fished", so I have a very
hybrid system of wiring...

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc" Phone-internal?

I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace it.  I 
remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a window to the TSID (NID box).
What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK!
Understand.
Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read up about 
the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.
Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or 
multiple-filament type cable?


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Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[FORC5]

overkill is good but when I wired my new shop I used cat 3 for the phone. 
fp

At 06:02 AM 2/11/2010, Rick Glazier Poked the stick with:
>For normal in-house wiring to ONLY PHONES Cat-5 or 6 is a little over-kill.
>
>That might be hard to find though and I never priced it.
>I'm still using the old ATT 4 wire stuff. I bought a 1000' spool of it.
>
>My house was "pre-wired" when built with a 6 or 8 wire cable.
>The painters for the seller damaged the cable and shoved it in a wall
>and buried it by patching over it solid with plaster.
>I have the proper tools to find that sort of thing.
>
>Have you tried splitting your "feeds" (inside the house) and seeing
>which section has "trouble"?
>It is odd that damage occurred, and it would never involve the entire
>system and EVERY run of wire.
>
>OTOH, it is like formatting a computer. Sometimes a "clean sweep"
>is better or easier. My wires are 100% "fished", so I have a very
>hybrid system of wiring...
>
>Rick Glazier
>
>From: "DSinc" Phone-internal?
>>I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace 
>>it.  I remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a window to the TSID (NID 
>>box).
>>What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK!
>>Understand.
>>Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read 
>>up about the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.
>>Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or 
>>multiple-filament type cable?
>
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Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Rick Glazier]

For normal in-house wiring to ONLY PHONES Cat-5 or 6 is a little over-kill.

That might be hard to find though and I never priced it.
I'm still using the old ATT 4 wire stuff. I bought a 1000' spool of it.

My house was "pre-wired" when built with a 6 or 8 wire cable.
The painters for the seller damaged the cable and shoved it in a wall
and buried it by patching over it solid with plaster.
I have the proper tools to find that sort of thing.

Have you tried splitting your "feeds" (inside the house) and seeing
which section has "trouble"?
It is odd that damage occurred, and it would never involve the entire
system and EVERY run of wire.

OTOH, it is like formatting a computer. Sometimes a "clean sweep"
is better or easier. My wires are 100% "fished", so I have a very
hybrid system of wiring...

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc" Phone-internal?
I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to 
replace it.  I remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a window to 
the TSID (NID box).


What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK!
Understand.

Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have 
read up about the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.


Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or 
multiple-filament type cable?

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[Soren]

Do you have any links to support this, pls?

I'm very interested in this subject, as I work with different types of cables 
on a daily basis.

JRS wrote:

Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling. 

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[DSinc]

JRS,
Big 10-Q!
I will suggest/request SOLID CAT5 (CAT 5) then.
It will replace old (45yrs?) 4-wire solid (red-green-yellow-black) 
existing POTS wire.

Best,
Duncan


On 02/10/2010 16:42, JRS wrote:

Short answer, Yes,  :)

It comes both stranded and solid conductor versions...  :)


CAT5 (also, CAT 5) is an Ethernet  network cable standard defined by
the Electronic Industries Association and Telecommunications Industry
Association (commonly known as EIA/TIA). CAT5 is the fifth generation
of twisted pair Ethernet technology and the most popular of all
twisted pair cables in use today.

CAT5 cable contains four pairs of copper wire. It supports Fast
Ethernet speeds (up to 100 Mbps). As with all other types of twisted
pair EIA/TIA cabling, CAT5 cable runs are limited to a maximum
recommended run length of 100m (328 feet).

Although CAT5 cable usually contains four pairs of copper wire, Fast
Ethernet communications only utilize two pairs. A newer specification
for CAT5 cable - CAT5 enhanced ("CAT5e" or "CAT 5e") - supports
networking at Gigabit Ethernet[ speeds (up to 1000 Mbps) over short
distances by utilizing all four wire pairs, and it is
backward-compatible with ordinary CAT5.

Twisted pair cable like CAT5 comes in two main varieties, solid and
stranded. Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best
in fixed wiring configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5
cable, on the other hand, is more pliable and better suited for
shorter-distance, movable cabling such as on-the-fly patch cabling.

-- JRS stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored.



- Original Message 

From: DSinc To: Hardware
Group Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010
1:11:28 PM Subject: [H] Phone-internal?

I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have
to replace it.  I remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a
window to the TSID (NID box).

What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring.
OK! Understand.

Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I
have read up about the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.

Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or
multiple-filament type cable? Best, Duncan

Re: [H] Phone-internal?

[JRS]

Short answer, Yes,  :)

It comes both stranded and solid conductor versions...  :)


CAT5 (also, CAT 5) is an Ethernet  network cable standard defined by the 
Electronic Industries Association and Telecommunications Industry Association 
(commonly known as EIA/TIA). CAT5 is the fifth generation of twisted pair 
Ethernet technology and the most popular of all twisted pair cables in use 
today.

CAT5 cable contains four pairs of copper wire. It supports Fast Ethernet speeds 
(up to 100 Mbps). As with all other types of twisted pair EIA/TIA cabling, CAT5 
cable runs are limited to a maximum recommended run length of 100m (328 feet).

Although CAT5 cable usually contains four pairs of copper wire, Fast Ethernet 
communications only utilize two pairs. A newer specification for CAT5 cable - 
CAT5 enhanced ("CAT5e" or "CAT 5e") - supports networking at Gigabit Ethernet[ 
speeds (up to 1000 Mbps) over short distances by utilizing all four wire pairs, 
and it is backward-compatible with ordinary CAT5.

Twisted pair cable like CAT5 comes in two main varieties, solid and stranded. 
Solid CAT5 cable supports longer length runs and works best in fixed wiring 
configurations like office buildings. Stranded CAT5 cable, on the other hand, 
is more pliable and better suited for shorter-distance, movable cabling such as 
on-the-fly patch cabling. 

 -- 
JRS 
stei...@pacbell.net


Facts do not cease to exist just
because they are ignored.



- Original Message 
> From: DSinc 
> To: Hardware Group 
> Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 1:11:28 PM
> Subject: [H] Phone-internal?
> 
> I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to replace 
> it.  I remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a window to the TSID (NID 
> box).
> 
> What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK!
> Understand.
> 
> Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have read 
> up 
> about the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.
> 
> Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or 
> multiple-filament type cable?
> Best,
> Duncan

[H] Phone-internal?

[DSinc]

I now appears that my homes internal phone wiring has died. I have to 
replace it.  I remain active via a long "phone cord" thru a window to 
the TSID (NID box).


What I read says I need to request Cat5/Cat6 replacement wiring. OK!
Understand.

Believe/think my current wiring is old 4-wire single copper line. I have 
read up about the "cross-talk" issues in 4-wire systems.


Question: Is current Cat5/Cat6 internal wire single filament or 
multiple-filament type cable?

Best,
Duncan