Re: [H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-04 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 06:33 AM 03/01/2007, dhs wrote:


Understand. I simply do not know.  I'll talk offline to some power gurus my
brother-in-law works with. Good question. Wondered about this myself now
that current technology is so power humgry.


That would be great.  I can't find anything that really answers these 
questions.  I did find that the 4 pin motherboard connector is 
generally a separate rail and powers just the CPU.  So on a two 12V 
rail PS, that means the CPU is on one rail, and everything else is on 
the other rail.  On a three 12V rail PS, the motherboard is on rail1, 
the CPU on rail2, and the six pin PCIe connector is rail3.  As the 
number of rails goes up, it appears each additional rail is connected 
to a 6 pin connector.  However, not all PSes work like this as the 
spec isn't carved in stone.  And apparently the motherboard can 
supply 12V power to the CPU via the large power connector as well, 
which clouds matters.  (One would think that manufacturers would want 
to clear this up.)


T 



Re: [H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-03 Thread dhs

Understand. I simply do not know.  I'll talk offline to some power gurus my 
brother-in-law works with. Good question. Wondered about this myself now 
that current technology is so power humgry.
Duncan

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:08 , Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:


At 12:43 PM 02/01/2007, dhs wrote:
T,
No. Not w/o a print of the dist. wiring.  Would think that all 12v rails are
really in parallel to a common source unless specied otherwise (or the PSU
has multiple 12v cards inside...jmho).

So how does one figure out if the power supply can handle the 12V 
requirements out there now?  I mean, if I have three 12V rails with 
24A each, and I'm pulling 15A for the video card, 4A for the hard 
drives, and 10A for the CPU, then I'm at 29A, so unless I'm splitting 
the rails, I'm going to end up with one overloaded rail and two rails 
doing nothing.  Or are you saying that in reality, I have one 12V 
rail with 68A?

T 






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[H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-02 Thread Thane Sherrington
If I'm trying to spec out a power supply that has multiple 12V rails 
(I've seen up to five 12V rails) can I just add the rails together to 
see if it has enough power on the 12V rail or do I have to figure out 
which devices pull power on which of the 12V rails?  (Is there a way 
to figure out which rail is being used by each device?)


T



Re: [H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-02 Thread dhs
T,
No. Not w/o a print of the dist. wiring.  Would think that all 12v rails are
really in parallel to a common source unless specied otherwise (or the PSU 
has multiple 12v cards inside...jmho).
otoh, I suppose you could trace each 12v wire back to its' source point and 
determine a current path from that investigation.
I'm no expert. ymmv. I remain a pcpc fan-boy. Still waiting to test/try 
a SeaSonic offering some time in 2007.  I expect my last Enermax to croak 
this year :)
Best,
Duncan


On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:56 , Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:


If I'm trying to spec out a power supply that has multiple 12V rails 
(I've seen up to five 12V rails) can I just add the rails together to 
see if it has enough power on the 12V rail or do I have to figure out 
which devices pull power on which of the 12V rails?  (Is there a way 
to figure out which rail is being used by each device?)

T






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Re: [H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-02 Thread Thane Sherrington

At 12:43 PM 02/01/2007, dhs wrote:

T,
No. Not w/o a print of the dist. wiring.  Would think that all 12v rails are
really in parallel to a common source unless specied otherwise (or the PSU
has multiple 12v cards inside...jmho).


So how does one figure out if the power supply can handle the 12V 
requirements out there now?  I mean, if I have three 12V rails with 
24A each, and I'm pulling 15A for the video card, 4A for the hard 
drives, and 10A for the CPU, then I'm at 29A, so unless I'm splitting 
the rails, I'm going to end up with one overloaded rail and two rails 
doing nothing.  Or are you saying that in reality, I have one 12V 
rail with 68A?


T 



Re: [H] Power supplies and system requirements

2007-01-02 Thread Anthony Q. Martin



Thane Sherrington wrote:

At 12:43 PM 02/01/2007, dhs wrote:

T,
No. Not w/o a print of the dist. wiring.  Would think that all 12v 
rails are
really in parallel to a common source unless specied otherwise (or 
the PSU

has multiple 12v cards inside...jmho).


So how does one figure out if the power supply can handle the 12V 
requirements out there now?  I mean, if I have three 12V rails with 
24A each, and I'm pulling 15A for the video card, 4A for the hard 
drives, and 10A for the CPU, then I'm at 29A, so unless I'm splitting 
the rails, I'm going to end up with one overloaded rail and two rails 
doing nothing.  Or are you saying that in reality, I have one 12V rail 
with 68A?




It's the latter, though I doubt designers considered one rail drawing 
all the current like that.