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I was not the one that suggested making Vista look like XP. I personally like the Aero interface also. :). I am not one of those that is telling everyone to go out and buy Vista to replace XP (not saying that you are either). I agree with what Tim (I think it was Tim) said in that people that are getting new machines should get Vista and not XP. I just think that Vista is superior to XP on many fronts. Sure, I think that based upon 3rd party drivers not being ready that MS probably should have held off a bit longer. I hate the slow file transfers (which as someone pointed out, should be corrected in SP1). I am not out to try and change any one's mind on this list, we are all big people that can make up our own minds. I just see so many people bashing Vista that I wanted to let others know that there are many of us out here that like Vista. It's kind of like going to the forums to look up an issue with some hardware/software, you will mostly find negative stuff. That is because the people that are not having issues are not posting or reading the forums, only those with issues. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:59 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... At 11:11 10-07-2007, Bobby Heid typed: >I disagree with you that it is only a GUI change. At a lower level, it is >much different than XP. Most of which most people will ever know about or >see. I've beta tested many a MSFT app & know that it's more than a GUI change but what I was referring to was the 2nd line you typed. If I change Vista to look & act like XP then what's the use in buying Vista? Sure it helps those that are inclined to shoot themselves but many of us are behind a router & use common sense that ain't so common. ;-) ---+-- I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
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Ding ding. Despite the fact that the UI did change rather dramatically, Vista is, above all, an architectural release. Working in a software company, I have a great appreciation for just how difficult those are to do. Greg > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:11 AM > To: 'The Hardware List' > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... > > I disagree with you that it is only a GUI change. At a lower level, it > is > much different than XP. Most of which most people will ever know about > or > see. > > Bobby >
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I disagree with you that it is only a GUI change. At a lower level, it is much different than XP. Most of which most people will ever know about or see. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:05 AM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... At 04:32 10-07-2007, Tim \"The Beave\" Lider typed: >Learning Vista? What the heck? If you don't like the or have problems With >Windows Aero, you can set it to Windows XP look. I had Vista's public beta or trial version for several months & while one can even take it back to Windows Classic I still don't like it. Why should some one pay money for an OS when it's little more than a GUI change as compared to XP ? It certainly not any faster. As for the improvement in the file manager they're no biggie as I've been using Total Commander as opposed to Windows Exploder for years. I certainly wouldn't upgrade XP to Vista & recently even when I had the chance to get Vista Business instead of XP Pro I said no thanks. Sorry but no sale here. ---+-- I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
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Learning Vista? What the heck? If you don't like the or have problems With Windows Aero, you can set it to Windows XP look. I for one think it is much simpler to use. But then I am used to Linux, Mac and XP before hand and have a decent understanding how OS's work. I suggest you take a look on a computer demo at Best Buy or Fry's Electronics. Move around on the desktop and see how effortlessly it is to move around. The only thing I do not like it wants you to confirm to run application in Admin mode, which can be a good thing. Salutations, Tim "The Beave" Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:36 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... At 21:00 10-06-2007, Winterlight typed: >I don't have much experience with Vista, other then running a vista >VM for a while, and reading a lot about it. >I'm curiouswhy? What is you like about it over XP PRO? I don't want to spend the time the new OS learning curve would require only to have something prettier only to have an OS that costs more, doesn't work any faster than the one I'm presently using. If you'll examine MSFT's history every other OS has been troublesome. I agree with Joe User. If you have to learn everything over you may as well get an Apple. Remember the average end luser doesn't care about hardware like we do as they just want the darned thing to run. Vista has files & folders relocated via name space & extra links that it makes it almost impossible to find the real files just like a Mac. A Vista or Mac system for me, NO THANKS. ---+-- I'm a geek that loves to tweak.
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I use Vista Ultimate on my laptop and Gaming computer. I have only minor problems, but Vista has worked very well. Vista only has an issue with SLI. nVidia has been lagging on this problem. Although, I have recently replaced my 2 nVidia 7900 GTX's with 1 8800 GTX and I get more fps in World of Warcraft and other games. The Peripheral manufacturers need to work on their drivers for Vista. This is the only problem. If you don't use a Soundblaster sound card or nvidia/ATI video cards you may have problems with Vista. Also, Vista 32-bit is the only one I would recommend for gaming atm. If you do get Vista for gaming get Premium version or higher. Salutaions. Tim "The Beave" Lider E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:36 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... I for one like Vista. I have Vista business on my machine. Bobby
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I ran RC1 for several months in a VM before upgrading my system from XP pro to Vista business. Vista is as stable as XP pro was for me. Many things, though not all, seem snappier on my system (p4 3.0 GHz - 2GB RAM). All of the peripherals that I have work fine with Vista after having downloaded updated drivers if there were any. I am a software developer. I like that .Net 3.0 is already in Vista. Vista also brings a lot of stuff to the development table via native APIs and the like. I like the direction that the security model is heading. It is not where it needs to be yet, but it is a step in the right direction. Granted, there are issues. Many times when I delete a large video file, if I don't close the explorer window right after deleting it, the file will not disappear until I reboot. I hope SP1 fixes this. I also realize that others have problems running Vista. But I think that many times, the issues are with the 3rd parties. Drivers/hardware/software has not been updated to work with Vista. I realize it may be painful and costly for these 3rd party vendors to upgrade. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:01 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: RE: Re[2]: [H] A note to Microsoft... At 05:35 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: >I for one like Vista. I have Vista business on my machine. >Bobby I don't have much experience with Vista, other then running a vista VM for a while, and reading a lot about it. I'm curiouswhy? What is you like about it over XP PRO?
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At 05:35 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: I for one like Vista. I have Vista business on my machine. Bobby I don't have much experience with Vista, other then running a vista VM for a while, and reading a lot about it. I'm curiouswhy? What is you like about it over XP PRO?
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I for one like Vista. I have Vista business on my machine. Bobby
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After spending a lot of time trying to build a new box, I noted that a lot of system houses still offer a choice between XP and Vista, with XP being the cheaper but faster option. Unless Vista gets faster, I don't see XP going away soon. > > >None of my vendors are offering it, laptops with XP are unheard of... > >maybe I need to look around some more... Thanx T > > And if you buy a laptop with Vista Business or Vista Ultimate, you > can downgrade to Pro legally. >
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At 04:37 PM 05/10/2007, Robert Martin Jr. wrote: None of my vendors are offering it, laptops with XP are unheard of... maybe I need to look around some more... Thanx T Acer still offers XP Pro laptops, and we sell a lot of them. T
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I used a custom stripped down version of XP on my non 64-bit boxes. I believe the OS install only takes up about 2 GB's when configured this way. There are many good tutorials and utilities that help you make a custom XP install (unattended if you like), with all SP's and patches integrated. It's already got DX9c too. It's a LOT faster than bloated standard XP install and runs good on slower boxes too. lopaka Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Thane, Friday, October 5, 2007, 2:15:41 PM, you wrote: > But you still can sell XP. We are. And we are going to keep doing > until they stop selling it, which currently is next June. But that > may well change. None of my vendors are offering it, laptops with XP are unheard of... maybe I need to look around some more... Thanx T -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
