Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
I am running a six core Ivy bridge on a ASUS P9X79-WS with 48 GB of RAM but I came from a Dual core Quad X9650 not a i7 quad and there is a big difference. A very big difference. The answer to your questions are ... it depends. First, for some videoe-coding. > no matter what you do your PC is going to spend it's time idling and barely using it's capability...just like now. Buying top end for this use is like getting a racing Cobra and using it to run up to 7/11 for cigs every other week. That said for gaming get the Haswell, but if you do a lot of rendering or encoding then nothing is as fast as six cores. If you run a six core you are stuck with a Ivy Bridge Chipset ... for the time being. And that means an older chipset. My board has four USB3 ports but USB3 is not native to the chip like it is with Haswell. For what you do any CPU frequency is going to go like a bat out of hell .. just like your i7 is now. I use my extra ram for a 24KGB RAM Disk to do large file HD Video editing, but outside of that use,or running lots of Virtual Machines you will notice no performance difference above 16GB of RAM. And don't waste your money buying really fast RAM because you will never notice it. Intel CPUs and chipset are as reliable as they come. Motherboards at the high end.. I paid near $400 for my Asus...are always going to be well built workstation boards just stay with the usual high end manufactures and it is difficult to make a mistake. It sounds like you want to build yourself a bad ass muscle PC just because... and that's OK because this is what the Hardware Group was created... for the enthusiast. But when you start talking about a performance improvement over your I7 for browsing the internet, and using word, and outlook , or value for dollar, ... this just doesn't make a lot of sense. At 07:57 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote: Hi guys, I am in the market to build a new computer system and am looking for some suggestions as to the direction to look. My last build was in 2009, a 1st generation core i7 quad core. I have upgraded with water cooling and several SSDs. I am now looking for a bump in performance and a system that will last another 5-6 years with minor tweaks. I do not game. I run multiple applications (Outlook, Word, Excel, Access, Browser, and do some video re-coding. Looking for suggestions as to cpu and motherboard chipset. Will I get better performance with more cores (4 vs. 6) or newer core (Haswell vs. Ivy Bridge/-E vs. Sandy Bridge/-E) or faster cpu operating frequency? And which motherboard chipset gives the best price/performance ratio and dependability/stability and most/best accessories (# of SATA ports - 3 GB vs. 6 GB, # of USB ports - 2.0 vs. 3.0, eSATA, onboard video, etc.)? Will I get a performance bump with 32 GB or 64 GB RAM? Appreciate your input Jim Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
Winterlight, Really appreciate your opinions and insights. Bottom line, it seems, is that you are saying I won't really see a large increase in performance from a 5 year old system? Did I just purchase wisely in 2009? :) I purchased the core i7 920 ($280) and an ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution X58 motherboard ($350) for what seemed like an arm and a leg at the time. At that time, it was an upgrade from a core 2 duo E6750 and Abit IP35 Pro ($360 total for mb & cpu) and I saw a significant performance increase. As a for instance, when running Ripbot264, the CPU usage is pegged at 100% for several hours. This makes other programs sluggish and slow to respond. I was looking for some "relief" in this area. Would waiting for the "next big thing" help, and how long is the wait? It seem like the next generation is always "6 months away" or "next quarter!" Again, thanks for the info. Much appreciated. Some comments inline below. And the "muscle machine" comment might have a nugget of truth! :) Jim Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net > -Original Message- > From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On > Behalf Of Winterlight > The answer to your questions are ... it depends. It always does! > That said for gaming get the Haswell, but if you do a lot of rendering or > encoding then nothing is as fast as six cores. > > If you run a six core you are stuck with a Ivy Bridge Chipset ... for the time > being. And that means an older chipset. So it sounds as if my options are limited, which helps with the decision making process! But sacrifices would have to be made. > I use my extra ram for a 24KGB RAM Disk to do large file HD Video editing, Sounds like I can save some money on RAM. > Intel CPUs and chipset are as reliable as they come. Motherboards at the > high end.. I paid near $400 for my Asus...are always going to be well built > workstation boards just stay with the usual high end manufactures and it is > difficult to make a mistake. As I said above, I purchased a high end ASUS and have been very happy and had no problems.
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
SSD. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:54:39AM -0700, Winterlight wrote: > I am running a six core Ivy bridge on a ASUS P9X79-WS with 48 GB of > RAM but I came from a Dual core Quad X9650 not a i7 quad and there is > a big difference. A very big difference. > > The answer to your questions are ... it depends. > > First, for > some videoe-coding. > > no matter what you do your PC is going to spend it's time idling and > barely using it's capability...just like now. > Buying top end for this use is like getting a racing Cobra and using > it to run up to 7/11 for cigs every other week. > > That said for gaming get the Haswell, but if you do a lot of > rendering or encoding then nothing is as fast as six cores. > If you run a six core you are stuck with a Ivy Bridge Chipset ... for > the time being. And that means an older chipset. My board has four > USB3 ports but USB3 is not native to the chip like it is with > Haswell. For what you do any CPU frequency is going to go like a bat > out of hell .. just like your i7 is now. > > I use my extra ram for a 24KGB RAM Disk to do large file HD Video > editing, but outside of that use,or running lots of Virtual Machines > you will notice no performance difference above 16GB of RAM. And > don't waste your money buying really fast RAM because you will never > notice it. > > Intel CPUs and chipset are as reliable as they come. Motherboards at > the high end.. I paid near $400 for my Asus...are always going to be > well built workstation boards just stay with the usual high end > manufactures and it is difficult to make a mistake. > > It sounds like you want to build yourself a bad ass muscle PC just > because... and that's OK because this is what the Hardware Group was > created... for the enthusiast. But when you start talking about a > performance improvement over your I7 for browsing the internet, and > using word, and outlook , or value for dollar, ... this just doesn't > make a lot of sense. > > > > At 07:57 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote: > >Hi guys, > > > >I am in the market to build a new computer system and am looking for some > >suggestions as to the direction to look. My last build was in 2009, a 1st > >generation core i7 quad core. I have upgraded with water cooling and several > >SSDs. I am now looking for a bump in performance and a system that will > >last another 5-6 years with minor tweaks. I do not game. I run multiple > >applications (Outlook, Word, Excel, Access, Browser, and do some video > >re-coding. Looking for suggestions as to cpu and motherboard chipset. Will I > >get better performance with more cores (4 vs. 6) or newer core (Haswell vs. > >Ivy Bridge/-E vs. Sandy Bridge/-E) or faster cpu operating frequency? > > > >And which motherboard chipset gives the best price/performance ratio and > >dependability/stability and most/best accessories (# of SATA ports - 3 GB > >vs. 6 GB, # of USB ports - 2.0 vs. 3.0, eSATA, onboard video, etc.)? Will I > >get a performance bump with 32 GB or 64 GB RAM? > > > >Appreciate your input > > > >Jim > > > >Jim Maki > >jwm_maill...@comcast.net -- Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
Already running with several SSDs. Looking for motherboard and cpu suggestions. Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net > -Original Message- > From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On > Behalf Of Bryan Seitz > SSD. > > At 07:57 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote: > > >Hi guys, > > > > > >I am in the market to build a new computer system and am looking for > > >some suggestions as to the direction to look. > > >Appreciate your input > > >Jim > -- > Bryan G. Seitz
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
At 01:30 PM 5/16/2014, you wrote: Winterlight, Really appreciate your opinions and insights. Bottom line, it seems, is that you are saying I won't really see a large increase in performance from a 5 year old system? Even if you go with six core you won't notice a large improvement unless you have a use for it. For me the six core decreased my HD encoding time by a third... but I am encoding stuff all the time. And Brian has a point... if you don't have a SSD in your system now...then that is the way to go. Just add one and you might have all the performance increase you are looking for right there. Did I just purchase wisely in 2009? :) In the last 5-10 years hardware in general has become so powerful that almost nobody has a need for high end performance any more. I was perfectly happy with my old 2008 build = Dual Core Quad, 16GB of RAM, dual ATI 5570 Crossfire setup. And I would be happy right now if I wasn't doing encoding. A lot of the reason I built my current machine was just because I wanted it. As a for instance, when running Ripbot264, the CPU usage is pegged at 100% for several hours. This makes other programs sluggish and slow to respond. I was looking for some "relief" in this area. hard to say. I don't know the program and sometimes poorly written software can bring any system down. However, if the encoding software is any good it will use all the processing power you have, regardless of other program needs or the speed of the CPU. It is up to the OS to manage this for you. Would waiting for the "next big thing" help, and how long is the wait? It seem like the next generation is always "6 months away" or "next quarter!" I don't think you should wait but the next big thing is even going to be more powerful... and you don't really need what you have now. Is it worth spending thousands, and a lot of time and hassle to deal with this issue? Perhaps... but only you can answer that question.
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
Maybe I should be investigation other areas where I can see improvement. I saw a dramatic speed increase when I added a Samsung 830 SSD as a boot drive. I was able to overclock my 2.66GHz i7 to 3.1 GHz with water cooling. I guess I will look into options for the Ripbot264 software. I use it to transcode HD video files to Android and DVD file sizes. Again, thanks for the input. Jim Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net > -Original Message- > From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On > Behalf Of Winterlight > At 01:30 PM 5/16/2014, you wrote: > >Winterlight, > Even if you go with six core you won't notice a large improvement unless you > have a use for it. For me the six core decreased my HD encoding time by a > third... but I am encoding stuff all the time. And Brian has a point... if you > don't have a SSD in your system now...then that is the way to go. Just add > one and you might have all the performance increase you are looking for > right there. > > hard to say. I don't know the program and sometimes poorly written > software can bring any system down. However, if the encoding software is > any good it will use all the processing power you have, regardless of other > program needs or the speed of the CPU. It is up to the OS to manage this for > you. > > >Would waiting for the "next big thing" help, and how long is the wait? > >It seem like the next generation is always "6 months away" or "next > quarter!" > > I don't think you should wait b
Re: [H] Suggestions for new build
Ditto! On 05/16/2014 16:50, Bryan Seitz wrote: SSD. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:54:39AM -0700, Winterlight wrote: I am running a six core Ivy bridge on a ASUS P9X79-WS with 48 GB of RAM but I came from a Dual core Quad X9650 not a i7 quad and there is a big difference. A very big difference. The answer to your questions are ... it depends. First, for no matter what you do your PC is going to spend it's time idling and barely using it's capability...just like now. Buying top end for this use is like getting a racing Cobra and using it to run up to 7/11 for cigs every other week. That said for gaming get the Haswell, but if you do a lot of rendering or encoding then nothing is as fast as six cores. If you run a six core you are stuck with a Ivy Bridge Chipset ... for the time being. And that means an older chipset. My board has four USB3 ports but USB3 is not native to the chip like it is with Haswell. For what you do any CPU frequency is going to go like a bat out of hell .. just like your i7 is now. I use my extra ram for a 24KGB RAM Disk to do large file HD Video editing, but outside of that use,or running lots of Virtual Machines you will notice no performance difference above 16GB of RAM. And don't waste your money buying really fast RAM because you will never notice it. Intel CPUs and chipset are as reliable as they come. Motherboards at the high end.. I paid near $400 for my Asus...are always going to be well built workstation boards just stay with the usual high end manufactures and it is difficult to make a mistake. It sounds like you want to build yourself a bad ass muscle PC just because... and that's OK because this is what the Hardware Group was created... for the enthusiast. But when you start talking about a performance improvement over your I7 for browsing the internet, and using word, and outlook , or value for dollar, ... this just doesn't make a lot of sense. At 07:57 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote: Hi guys, I am in the market to build a new computer system and am looking for some suggestions as to the direction to look. My last build was in 2009, a 1st generation core i7 quad core. I have upgraded with water cooling and several SSDs. I am now looking for a bump in performance and a system that will last another 5-6 years with minor tweaks. I do not game. I run multiple applications (Outlook, Word, Excel, Access, Browser, and do some video re-coding. Looking for suggestions as to cpu and motherboard chipset. Will I get better performance with more cores (4 vs. 6) or newer core (Haswell vs. Ivy Bridge/-E vs. Sandy Bridge/-E) or faster cpu operating frequency? And which motherboard chipset gives the best price/performance ratio and dependability/stability and most/best accessories (# of SATA ports - 3 GB vs. 6 GB, # of USB ports - 2.0 vs. 3.0, eSATA, onboard video, etc.)? Will I get a performance bump with 32 GB or 64 GB RAM? Appreciate your input Jim Jim Maki jwm_maill...@comcast.net
