Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
When I was running Vista, I put SP1 on (grabbed from MSDN) and noticed no performance benefit as well. Thane Sherrington wrote: So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista.
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Hmm, that's contrary to the SP1 reviews I'd read...were these established Pre-SP1 Vista machines, or clean installs of both? The reason I ask is that SP1 clears Vista's SuperFetch learned behavior cache, so it's re-learning from scratch. That could play a big role in that test... I personally don't think Vista needed saving in the first place--it's really no more or less quirky than any other version of Windows I've used. Performance on good hardware has been quite reasonable, stability has frankly been excellent, and drivers (namely video) have improved dramatically... Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:08 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Vista SP1 comments I've been trying to speed up Vista machines for customers (I've been doing this for sometime with XP) and as a benchmark, I measure the following: Boot time (from power on until I can see the icons in My Computer. Time to 5% CPU utilization (from power up until the CPU utilization drops below 5% for 10 seconds straight.) Shutdown time (from clicking Turn Off until the computer powers off.) Now Vista is slower than XP on all three tests on every machine I've tried (I've even done fresh installs of XP vs fresh installs of Vista.) Now I'm not saying Vista sucks because it boots more slowly, but it certainly isn't a plus for the OS. Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.) So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Meanwhile SP3 actually *does* speed up XP a bit and the idle memory footprint is a little less. Go figure. Vista = Windows ME part II Pure garbage. Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:08:01 -0400 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [H] Vista SP1 comments I've been trying to speed up Vista machines for customers (I've been doing this for sometime with XP) and as a benchmark, I measure the following: Boot time (from power on until I can see the icons in My Computer. Time to drops below 5% for 10 seconds straight.) Shutdown time (from clicking Turn Off until the computer powers off.) Now Vista is slower than XP on all three tests on every machine I've tried (I've even done fresh installs of XP vs fresh installs of Vista.) Now I'm not saying Vista sucks because it boots more slowly, but it certainly isn't a plus for the OS. Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.) So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista. T _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Reason #`144 to stick with Windows XP if you can. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Hayes Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meanwhile SP3 actually *does* speed up XP a bit and the idle memory footprint is a little less. Go figure. Vista = Windows ME part II Pure garbage. Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:08:01 -0400 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [H] Vista SP1 comments I've been trying to speed up Vista machines for customers (I've been doing this for sometime with XP) and as a benchmark, I measure the following: Boot time (from power on until I can see the icons in My Computer. Time to drops below 5% for 10 seconds straight.) Shutdown time (from clicking Turn Off until the computer powers off.) Now Vista is slower than XP on all three tests on every machine I've tried (I've even done fresh installs of XP vs fresh installs of Vista.) Now I'm not saying Vista sucks because it boots more slowly, but it certainly isn't a plus for the OS. Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.) So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista. T _ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Gah. This again? No, SP3 does not speed up XP. The test everybody references was comparing MS Office 2007 pre- and post-SP3, and the improvement was only 10%. I am not sure that I could actually determine if office is running 30% faster, let alone 10%. Other tests have not found any appreciable difference in any other aspect. Vista SP1 does better in lower-memory systems too, from what I've heard. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:21 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments Meanwhile SP3 actually *does* speed up XP a bit and the idle memory footprint is a little less. Go figure. Vista = Windows ME part II Pure garbage.
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:40:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments No, SP3 does not speed up XP. http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11/windows-xp-sp3-yields-performance-gains.html The test everybody references was comparing MS Office 2007 pre- and post-SP3, and the improvement was only 10%. Last I checked, that's a speed improvement. _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
At 03:40 PM 05/03/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: Gah. This again? No, SP3 does not speed up XP. The test everybody references was comparing MS Office 2007 pre- and post-SP3, and the improvement was only 10%. I am not sure that I could actually determine if office is running 30% faster, let alone 10%. Other tests have not found any appreciable difference in any other aspect. Vista SP1 does better in lower-memory systems too, from what I've heard. Well my benchmarks prove that on 1GB systems, SP1 decreases performance. Upgrading the RAM to 2GB had zero impact on these benchmarks. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
At 03:40 PM 05/03/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: Gah. This again? No, SP3 does not speed up XP. The test everybody references was comparing MS Office 2007 pre- and post-SP3, and the improvement was only 10%. I am not sure that I could actually determine if office is running 30% faster, let alone 10%. Actually, 5% or more is detectable, scientifically speaking. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
My argument is that you couldn't tell that -Office- was 10% faster. :) The point remains that it's isolated to Office. With that in mind, I have to ask...who cares? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 2:03 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments At 03:40 PM 05/03/2008, Greg Sevart wrote: Gah. This again? No, SP3 does not speed up XP. The test everybody references was comparing MS Office 2007 pre- and post-SP3, and the improvement was only 10%. I am not sure that I could actually determine if office is running 30% faster, let alone 10%. Actually, 5% or more is detectable, scientifically speaking. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
At 02:28 PM 05/03/2008, Ben Ruset wrote: When I was running Vista, I put SP1 on (grabbed from MSDN) and noticed no performance benefit as well. I'm quite worried when XP stops selling (if MS decides to do that in June.) How can I with a straight face sell an OS that I know is inferior and that MS can't even provide legitimate support on? (I've had several problems including a machine on which SP1 wouldn't install, where MS's answer was Well, reinstall Vista.) T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
isn't Vista Sp1 still in beta ? fp At 11:08 AM 3/5/2008, Thane Sherrington Poked the stick with: Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.) So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Mistrust first impulses, they are always good.
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Something else to think about... Most likely a lot of the performance updates in SP1 were in the updates that have been made to Vista since its release. If this is true, then adding SP1 to a fully patched pre-SP1 Vista may not show any speed increases. This is just conjecture on my part. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments I have noticed a notable improvement in file copy/move between disks with large files. Other copy operations may or may not be faster as the bulk of my copying is large video files between disks. Bobby -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:08 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Vista SP1 comments snip Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.) So from what I'm seeing here, SP1 is not going to save Vista. T
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
SP1 clears the Prefetch cache, so it may take several boots before startup time is optimized again. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.)
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Eh. Just slipstream the dvd, clean it up a bit and your good. :). Vlite, baby. Its all about vlite. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gary VanderMolen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:22:58 To:hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments SP1 clears the Prefetch cache, so it may take several boots before startup time is optimized again. Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is the funny part. From what I've read, SP1 is supposed to speed up Vista. But in every test I've done (five systems so far, and one clean install) SP1 slows the first two benchmarks by from 30% to 50%. Now I find that ridiculous. I haven't read up on SP1, so maybe it's giving all sorts of other exciting new features and the better stability and performance that MS talks about wasn't the main purpose, but one would think that given that performance is one of the huge complaints about Vista, MS would have tried to do something to make it faster. (And since boot time and shutdown time are two of the major areas that end users recognize as issues, these would be something to look at.)
Re: [H] Vista SP1 comments
Here's the link to the registry hack that lets you get SP3 through Windows Update: http://dailyapps.net/2007/11/hack-attack-get-windows-xp-sp3-through-windows-update/ Gary VanderMolen wrote: Vista SP1 went gold on Feb. 4th. The final version has only been distributed to beta testers and MSDN subscribers. In mid-March it will be made available for download by the general public, and in mid-April it will be pushed out by Windows Update. For more, see http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/02/04/announcing-the-rtm-of-windows-vista-sp1.aspx Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (WLMail) -- From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] isn't Vista Sp1 still in beta ?
