Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
That's what happens when someone makes a statement like Winterlight did, it leads to spirited discussion. I've forked my response off to a new subject if it still has life, if not NBD. As to helping, like Thane said,, I think the ball's in your bro's court at this point to try out & report result. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM, DSinc wrote: > OK, maybe nobody has an answer, but, this collective has spent 17 msgs > sharing their own > personal issues, gripes, fav OS's, etc. What gives? I thought we tried to > help if/when we could. > The OP is seeking help. Perhaps there is no answer. Is that so hard to > offer, "just do not know atm." > Thanks, > Duncan > > > On 10/06/2014 23:03, Winterlight wrote: >> >> At 06:33 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: >>> >>> Are there any Note-like WP phablets? Seriously considering a Note 4 as my >>> next device. >> >> >> the closest thing would be Lumia 1025 which be more like the IPhone 6 >> large. But who knows what MS will do with the Lumia brand now that they own >> it. >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Winterlight >>> Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:08 PM >>> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com >>> Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem >>> >>> At 01:14 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: >>> >OpenVPN >>> >>> Open, of course, is Linux but WP 8.1 now natively supports VPN and all >>> the >>> "business type" apps that corporate were asking for.. and I use IP Camera >>> Pro for video surveillance... what do you use? >>> >>> >>> >>> >and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I >>> >dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. >>> > >>> >-Original Message- >>> >From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On >>> >Behalf Of Winterlight >>> >Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM >>> >To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com >>> >Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem >>> > >>> > >>> > >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. >>> > >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. >>> > >>> >Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. >>> >Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 >>> >although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone >>> >app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can >>> >be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write >>> >one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what >>> indispensable apps? >> >> >> >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 06:58 PM 07/10/2014, DSinc wrote: OK, maybe nobody has an answer, but, this collective has spent 17 msgs sharing their own personal issues, gripes, fav OS's, etc. What gives? I thought we tried to help if/when we could. The OP is seeking help. Perhaps there is no answer. Is that so hard to offer, "just do not know atm." I sent him the steps to run SMART and told him to send me the log file. He hasn't. I would also do an SFC/DISM fix if SMART is clean, but it's worth making sure that the drive is good first. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
Just don't know. Honestly, don't use system restore. I prefer drive imaging. Some research (cursory) suggests the worth of a system file check from an elevated command prompt. Vincent Winterling Vineland, NJ -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:58 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem OK, maybe nobody has an answer, but, this collective has spent 17 msgs sharing their own personal issues, gripes, fav OS's, etc. What gives? I thought we tried to help if/when we could. The OP is seeking help. Perhaps there is no answer. Is that so hard to offer, "just do not know atm." Thanks, Duncan
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
OK, maybe nobody has an answer, but, this collective has spent 17 msgs sharing their own personal issues, gripes, fav OS's, etc. What gives? I thought we tried to help if/when we could. The OP is seeking help. Perhaps there is no answer. Is that so hard to offer, "just do not know atm." Thanks, Duncan On 10/06/2014 23:03, Winterlight wrote: At 06:33 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: Are there any Note-like WP phablets? Seriously considering a Note 4 as my next device. the closest thing would be Lumia 1025 which be more like the IPhone 6 large. But who knows what MS will do with the Lumia brand now that they own it. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:08 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem At 01:14 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: >OpenVPN Open, of course, is Linux but WP 8.1 now natively supports VPN and all the "business type" apps that corporate were asking for.. and I use IP Camera Pro for video surveillance... what do you use? >and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I >dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. > >-Original Message- >From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On >Behalf Of Winterlight >Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM >To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com >Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem > > > >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. > >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. > >Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. >Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 >although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone >app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can >be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write >one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 06:33 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: Are there any Note-like WP phablets? Seriously considering a Note 4 as my next device. the closest thing would be Lumia 1025 which be more like the IPhone 6 large. But who knows what MS will do with the Lumia brand now that they own it. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:08 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem At 01:14 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: >OpenVPN Open, of course, is Linux but WP 8.1 now natively supports VPN and all the "business type" apps that corporate were asking for.. and I use IP Camera Pro for video surveillance... what do you use? >and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I >dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. > >-Original Message- >From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On >Behalf Of Winterlight >Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM >To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com >Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem > > > >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. > >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. > >Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. >Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 >although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone >app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can >be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write >one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
Well, like I said, I could use a workaround (another type of VPN and another video app), but the gain* doesn't justify the sacrifice. The other options are inferior in terms of security, functionality, re-use of infrastructure, and/or ease-of-use. OpenVPN is supported on IOS, Android, and Windows, but there is no WP client last I checked. * gain is unknown at this point. I've not used it enough to say if it's actually a superior choice overall, but it does have the distinct advantage of being responsive and not as much of a fractured ecosystem mess as Android. Are there any Note-like WP phablets? Seriously considering a Note 4 as my next device. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 7:08 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem At 01:14 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: >OpenVPN Open, of course, is Linux but WP 8.1 now natively supports VPN and all the "business type" apps that corporate were asking for.. and I use IP Camera Pro for video surveillance... what do you use? >and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I >dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. > >-Original Message- >From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On >Behalf Of Winterlight >Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM >To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com >Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem > > > >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. > >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. > >Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. >Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 >although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone >app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can >be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write >one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 01:14 PM 10/6/2014, you wrote: OpenVPN Open, of course, is Linux but WP 8.1 now natively supports VPN and all the "business type" apps that corporate were asking for.. and I use IP Camera Pro for video surveillance... what do you use? and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
OpenVPN and a video surveillance app. I could work around both of these, but I dislike the workarounds more than however much I'd like to try WP. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 2:22 PM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem >I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. >Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 04:22 PM 06/10/2014, Winterlight wrote: which only came with an Iphone app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. I think there are too many "apps" that should be webpages/web scripts. As you point out, this would allow developers to write one time and run it on a whole bunch of devices. I think this trend got started because early mobile browsers were pretty limited - or maybe the phone OS makers paid developers to develop for their OS. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. Back in the WP 7 days I use to read this a lot about windows phone. Personally, I don't run that many apps that don't come with WP8.1 although I did want the AKC dog tracker which only came with an Iphone app. But now they switched to a web based format so any web browser can be used. I suspect a lot of future apps will be written this way. Write one web app for that is good for all formats. I am curious Greg.. what indispensable apps?
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
My primary phone is an Android, and in a general sense I do like the device. Having established that, there are major problems with Android. First, its interface isn't responsive. Even with the fastest quad core processors, Android just isn't nearly as responsive as either IOS or WP. The device isn't slow, as pure benchmarks prove, but interacting with the system and apps is nowhere near as fluid. I can't tell you how many times I've gone to interact with a UI element only to have it change a faction of a second before my finger touches the screen, resulting in it doing something I didn't want. My experience with IOS and WP, even on far less capable devices, has been far superior in this regard. Updates for any device not running pure Android are a disaster. I'm forced to choose to either run a custom/3rd party image (which I don't want to mess with), or wait months, or longer, for updates to functional and security issues--if I get them at all. Is it the fault of Android? Yes and no. Ultimately it is the manufacturers at fault, but Google could and should have done more to prevent it from occurring. As I said, my main device is an Android. My next device will almost certainly be one as well, but it's more a lack of options. I dislike Apple's offerings for reason I won't enumerate here, and I have a small set of indispensable apps that aren't available on WP. Until that changes, I feel like I'm stuck. More generally, I think there's a place for all of them. None of them are perfect, a condition that will likely never exist, so I'm glad that there are choices to allow people to select the best device for their needs as well as continue to push the envelope with each generation. -Original Message- From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 9:18 AM To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem At 01:00 AM 06/10/2014, Joshua MacCraw wrote: >Boo hoo so Android isn't iOS or Windows simple & polished but it's a >hell of a lot more open & customizable with stock (or branded) >interface replaceable so you have options. Hell I'd jump to an Ubuntu >phone before I do a windows phone. Actually, I've heard the Windows Phone interface is pretty good, and I'd be willing to try it. The big mistake was to put a phone interface on a desktop. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 01:00 AM 06/10/2014, Joshua MacCraw wrote: Boo hoo so Android isn't iOS or Windows simple & polished but it's a hell of a lot more open & customizable with stock (or branded) interface replaceable so you have options. Hell I'd jump to an Ubuntu phone before I do a windows phone. Actually, I've heard the Windows Phone interface is pretty good, and I'd be willing to try it. The big mistake was to put a phone interface on a desktop. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 04:32 PM 05/10/2014, Winterlight wrote: I doubt that your conclusion has been reached after having done any in the lab testing as did PCWorld and Maximum PC. Of course, my conclusion hasn't been affected by advertising dollars from MS, either. You can believe whatever you want. I work with actual computers and empirically, the 8 machines are slower. At some point, when I have some time, I'll run some tests, because I don't understand this discrepancy either. Odd problems and issues... you mean a learning curve that end users just don't want to have to deal with. Yes, you have to learn new stuff to move forward, learning new ways is often annoying, and painful. No, I mean the 8.1 update fails significantly more often than the Win7 SP1 update or the XP services packs. Even the Vista service packs, which were fraught with problems, were more reliable. I also notice major performance issues that can only resolved with SFC and DISM cleanups. We don't see that in XP or 7 - yes, it happens in Vista occasionally, but even Vista is more reliable. Learning something new isn't an issue for me, or I wouldn't be in this industry. Of course, I prefer to learn something new when I gain something - the best OS interface is invisible, and the 2K/XP/Vista/7 interface was pretty close to that. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
You're going to deny MS goal is to lock the platform up? You don't see xbox as the perfect testing ground it is to root out rooting? ;-) Boo hoo so Android isn't iOS or Windows simple & polished but it's a hell of a lot more open & customizable with stock (or branded) interface replaceable so you have options. Hell I'd jump to an Ubuntu phone before I do a windows phone. Evil & XP Whining? Funny I think I said Vista & 7 not something about XP. You gain nothing moving to 8 except headaches and bad joke interface attempt, at best you break even & still have to learn to utilize it's pale by comparison to Android interface. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Winterlight wrote: > At 02:15 AM 10/5/2014, you wrote: >> >> ll M$ wants, like the xbox >> experiment, is to lock the system down so far you have to pay them to >> fart. > > > sounds like more MS is evil, I love XP, and want to live in the past > whining. > >> And why in the hell in the prime of Android would you want a windows >> phone? > > > How about a more elegant GUI then Android, and an easier to use OS that > works perfectly with the desktop I make my living with. Or the 42 megapixel > camera on my Nokia 1020 that makes it the best snapshot camera in the > world. Android is full of bugs, and issues that are constantly being > reported, and it has become the magnet for phone malware. > > > >> Might as well suggest an iPhone! >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Winterlight >> wrote: >> > >> >>> . >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, >> >> just >> >> protection for key system files. >> > >> > >> > It restores everything back to what it was. It restores changed files. I >> > have never had it not work. >> > >> > >> >> In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, >> >> so >> >> you may have issues with System Restore in 8. >> > >> > >> > That is just windows BS myth by people who hate metro. I multi boot my >> > windows 7 ultimate with Windows 8.1 and once I had 8 set up I never >> > boot >> > into 7 anymore. Windows 8 is much more secure and stable then 7. It has >> > been >> > well documented that 8 works better and faster on older hardware then 7. >> > Yes, everybody went crazy over metro but outside of that it is a much >> > better >> > OS then Win7. Once you use third party software to deal with the start >> > menu, >> > and desktop environment metro ain't that bad. I don't mind the metro >> > environment for specific apps which cost 1-3 dollars. Gone are the days >> > when >> > you needed to spend 40 bucks on a specific use app. And there are lots >> > of >> > good windows apps out there that I would never buy if I couldn't get >> > for a >> > buck or so. >> > >> > If you have windows 8.1 phone then you can use the apps on your phone >> > and >> > your desktop. And One drive is synced effortlessly between the two. A >> > lot of >> > the complaints about Win8.1 is whining from those who haven't taken the >> > time >> > to learn how to use it, and disliked the start menu from the moment they >> > booted it up. The usual suspects who still whine about how great Windows >> > 2000 is. >> > >> > Yes, it looks like 10 will be a winner and I am looking forward to >> > installing it in a year or so, but 8.1 has been a good upgrade from 7 >> > for >> > me, and has been unfairly criticized .. it's not that bad. >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartmontools/ It's CLI & likely needs administrator rights. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: > I have run the CHKDSK with no errors detected. I know what S.M.A.R.T. means > but is it part of Windows Administrator tools or do I need to get/buy a > third party application? > Thank you for your help. > > Regards, Bruce Sinclair > > On 10/5/2014 5:20 AM, Joshua MacCraw wrote: >> >> Question is what file are you prevent from restoring? Must be >> something in the logs about it. Could be the very action that "hid" >> the files is what's preventing their restore. I'm sure this message >> mean the files in question (that won't restore) ARE in the restore but >> write is being blocked. >> >> Chkdsk is good advice always as 1st course of action for soft errors >> but SMART is better for checking drive health. >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Thane Sherrington >> wrote: >>> >>> At 05:24 PM 02/10/2014, Bruce Sinclair wrote: >>> Hello everyone. New Guy here. I have a new Lenovo M83 mini-tower running Win 8.1 64bit Pro OS . While “exploring” the C:\ folder ( BUT not the C:\Windows folder), I either deleted or hid a set of files. I tried to run the System Restore program to recover them. >>> >>> >>> I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just >>> protection for key system files. >>> I received the following error message: “System Restore did not complete successfully. Your computer’s system files and setting were not changed. Details: System Restore could not access a file. This is probably because an anti-virus program is running on this computer. Temporarily disable your antivirus program and retry System Restore. An unspecified error occurred during System Restore (ox80070005)” >>> >>> >>> My guess is that your system restore point is damaged. You could try a >>> different restore point. >>> >>> In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, >>> so >>> you may have issues with System Restore in 8. >>> >>> Another possibility is that your hard drive is corrupted/failing. You >>> could >>> try running a CHKDSK before doing the System Restore. >>> >>> T >>> >>> > > -- > Regards, Bruce > > "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men [and women] > stand ready in the night to visit violence on those > who would do us harm." - George Orwell >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
I have run the CHKDSK with no errors detected. I know what S.M.A.R.T. means but is it part of Windows Administrator tools or do I need to get/buy a third party application? Thank you for your help. Regards, Bruce Sinclair On 10/5/2014 5:20 AM, Joshua MacCraw wrote: Question is what file are you prevent from restoring? Must be something in the logs about it. Could be the very action that "hid" the files is what's preventing their restore. I'm sure this message mean the files in question (that won't restore) ARE in the restore but write is being blocked. Chkdsk is good advice always as 1st course of action for soft errors but SMART is better for checking drive health. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 05:24 PM 02/10/2014, Bruce Sinclair wrote: Hello everyone. New Guy here. I have a new Lenovo M83 mini-tower running Win 8.1 64bit Pro OS . While “exploring” the C:\ folder ( BUT not the C:\Windows folder), I either deleted or hid a set of files. I tried to run the System Restore program to recover them. I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just protection for key system files. I received the following error message: “System Restore did not complete successfully. Your computer’s system files and setting were not changed. Details: System Restore could not access a file. This is probably because an anti-virus program is running on this computer. Temporarily disable your antivirus program and retry System Restore. An unspecified error occurred during System Restore (ox80070005)” My guess is that your system restore point is damaged. You could try a different restore point. In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so you may have issues with System Restore in 8. Another possibility is that your hard drive is corrupted/failing. You could try running a CHKDSK before doing the System Restore. T -- Regards, Bruce "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men [and women] stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - George Orwell
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
I hate to call you on this Winterlight, but this just isn't true. The "8 works better on older hardware" is just wrong. I work on a lot of different machines - 25-40 a week, and I see a lot of 8 machines. I haven't seen one that outperformed a similar Windows 7 machine, and the odd problems and issues with 8 are significantly greater than 7. T I doubt that your conclusion has been reached after having done any in the lab testing as did PCWorld and Maximum PC. Odd problems and issues... you mean a learning curve that end users just don't want to have to deal with. Yes, you have to learn new stuff to move forward, learning new ways is often annoying, and painful.
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 02:15 AM 10/5/2014, you wrote: ll M$ wants, like the xbox experiment, is to lock the system down so far you have to pay them to fart. sounds like more MS is evil, I love XP, and want to live in the past whining. And why in the hell in the prime of Android would you want a windows phone? How about a more elegant GUI then Android, and an easier to use OS that works perfectly with the desktop I make my living with. Or the 42 megapixel camera on my Nokia 1020 that makes it the best snapshot camera in the world. Android is full of bugs, and issues that are constantly being reported, and it has become the magnet for phone malware. Might as well suggest an iPhone! On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Winterlight wrote: > >>> . >> >> >> I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just >> protection for key system files. > > > It restores everything back to what it was. It restores changed files. I > have never had it not work. > > >> In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so >> you may have issues with System Restore in 8. > > > That is just windows BS myth by people who hate metro. I multi boot my > windows 7 ultimate with Windows 8.1 and once I had 8 set up I never boot > into 7 anymore. Windows 8 is much more secure and stable then 7. It has been > well documented that 8 works better and faster on older hardware then 7. > Yes, everybody went crazy over metro but outside of that it is a much better > OS then Win7. Once you use third party software to deal with the start menu, > and desktop environment metro ain't that bad. I don't mind the metro > environment for specific apps which cost 1-3 dollars. Gone are the days when > you needed to spend 40 bucks on a specific use app. And there are lots of > good windows apps out there that I would never buy if I couldn't get for a > buck or so. > > If you have windows 8.1 phone then you can use the apps on your phone and > your desktop. And One drive is synced effortlessly between the two. A lot of > the complaints about Win8.1 is whining from those who haven't taken the time > to learn how to use it, and disliked the start menu from the moment they > booted it up. The usual suspects who still whine about how great Windows > 2000 is. > > Yes, it looks like 10 will be a winner and I am looking forward to > installing it in a year or so, but 8.1 has been a good upgrade from 7 for > me, and has been unfairly criticized .. it's not that bad. > > > >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 06:20 AM 05/10/2014, Joshua MacCraw wrote: Chkdsk is good advice always as 1st course of action for soft errors but SMART is better for checking drive health. Good point. A SMART test would be worth doing as well. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 05:00 PM 03/10/2014, Winterlight wrote: I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just protection for key system files. It restores everything back to what it was. It restores changed files. I have never had it not work. It replaces user files with old copies? In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so you may have issues with System Restore in 8. That is just windows BS myth by people who hate metro. I multi boot my windows 7 ultimate with Windows 8.1 and once I had 8 set up I never boot into 7 anymore. Windows 8 is much more secure and stable then 7. It has been well documented that 8 works better and faster on older hardware then 7. Yes, everybody went crazy over metro but outside of that it is a much better OS then Win7. Once you use third party software to deal with the start menu, and desktop environment metro ain't that bad. I don't mind the metro environment I hate to call you on this Winterlight, but this just isn't true. The "8 works better on older hardware" is just wrong. I work on a lot of different machines - 25-40 a week, and I see a lot of 8 machines. I haven't seen one that outperformed a similar Windows 7 machine, and the odd problems and issues with 8 are significantly greater than 7. T
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
Question is what file are you prevent from restoring? Must be something in the logs about it. Could be the very action that "hid" the files is what's preventing their restore. I'm sure this message mean the files in question (that won't restore) ARE in the restore but write is being blocked. Chkdsk is good advice always as 1st course of action for soft errors but SMART is better for checking drive health. On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: > At 05:24 PM 02/10/2014, Bruce Sinclair wrote: > >> Hello everyone. New Guy here. I have a new Lenovo M83 mini-tower running >> Win 8.1 64bit Pro OS . >> While “exploring” the C:\ folder ( BUT not the C:\Windows folder), I >> either deleted or hid a set of files. I tried to run the System Restore >> program to recover them. > > > I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just > protection for key system files. > >> I received the following error message: >> “System Restore did not complete successfully. Your computer’s system >> files and setting were not changed. >> Details: System Restore could not access a file. This is probably >> because an anti-virus program is running on this computer. >> Temporarily disable your antivirus program and retry System Restore. >> An unspecified error occurred during System Restore (ox80070005)” > > > My guess is that your system restore point is damaged. You could try a > different restore point. > > In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so > you may have issues with System Restore in 8. > > Another possibility is that your hard drive is corrupted/failing. You could > try running a CHKDSK before doing the System Restore. > > T > >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
Blah blah, not selling me on that Winerlight! The simple fact that Valve jumped ship from Windows says a lot about what Redmond is up to. There is ZERO reason to switch to 8 from 7 or Vita for that matter and 10 is on borrowed time until it's vetted as reversing 8's mistakes like metro & the app store, not likely. All M$ wants, like the xbox experiment, is to lock the system down so far you have to pay them to fart. And why in the hell in the prime of Android would you want a windows phone? Might as well suggest an iPhone! On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Winterlight wrote: > >>> . >> >> >> I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just >> protection for key system files. > > > It restores everything back to what it was. It restores changed files. I > have never had it not work. > > >> In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so >> you may have issues with System Restore in 8. > > > That is just windows BS myth by people who hate metro. I multi boot my > windows 7 ultimate with Windows 8.1 and once I had 8 set up I never boot > into 7 anymore. Windows 8 is much more secure and stable then 7. It has been > well documented that 8 works better and faster on older hardware then 7. > Yes, everybody went crazy over metro but outside of that it is a much better > OS then Win7. Once you use third party software to deal with the start menu, > and desktop environment metro ain't that bad. I don't mind the metro > environment for specific apps which cost 1-3 dollars. Gone are the days when > you needed to spend 40 bucks on a specific use app. And there are lots of > good windows apps out there that I would never buy if I couldn't get for a > buck or so. > > If you have windows 8.1 phone then you can use the apps on your phone and > your desktop. And One drive is synced effortlessly between the two. A lot of > the complaints about Win8.1 is whining from those who haven't taken the time > to learn how to use it, and disliked the start menu from the moment they > booted it up. The usual suspects who still whine about how great Windows > 2000 is. > > Yes, it looks like 10 will be a winner and I am looking forward to > installing it in a year or so, but 8.1 has been a good upgrade from 7 for > me, and has been unfairly criticized .. it's not that bad. > > > >
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
. I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just protection for key system files. It restores everything back to what it was. It restores changed files. I have never had it not work. In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so you may have issues with System Restore in 8. That is just windows BS myth by people who hate metro. I multi boot my windows 7 ultimate with Windows 8.1 and once I had 8 set up I never boot into 7 anymore. Windows 8 is much more secure and stable then 7. It has been well documented that 8 works better and faster on older hardware then 7. Yes, everybody went crazy over metro but outside of that it is a much better OS then Win7. Once you use third party software to deal with the start menu, and desktop environment metro ain't that bad. I don't mind the metro environment for specific apps which cost 1-3 dollars. Gone are the days when you needed to spend 40 bucks on a specific use app. And there are lots of good windows apps out there that I would never buy if I couldn't get for a buck or so. If you have windows 8.1 phone then you can use the apps on your phone and your desktop. And One drive is synced effortlessly between the two. A lot of the complaints about Win8.1 is whining from those who haven't taken the time to learn how to use it, and disliked the start menu from the moment they booted it up. The usual suspects who still whine about how great Windows 2000 is. Yes, it looks like 10 will be a winner and I am looking forward to installing it in a year or so, but 8.1 has been a good upgrade from 7 for me, and has been unfairly criticized .. it's not that bad.
Re: [H] Windows 8.1 problem
At 05:24 PM 02/10/2014, Bruce Sinclair wrote: Hello everyone. New Guy here. I have a new Lenovo M83 mini-tower running Win 8.1 64bit Pro OS . While “exploring” the C:\ folder ( BUT not the C:\Windows folder), I either deleted or hid a set of files. I tried to run the System Restore program to recover them. I don't think System Restore restores all files - it isn't an image, just protection for key system files. I received the following error message: “System Restore did not complete successfully. Your computer’s system files and setting were not changed. Details: System Restore could not access a file. This is probably because an anti-virus program is running on this computer. Temporarily disable your antivirus program and retry System Restore. An unspecified error occurred during System Restore (ox80070005)” My guess is that your system restore point is damaged. You could try a different restore point. In my experience, Windows 8 is significantly more flaky than Windows 7, so you may have issues with System Restore in 8. Another possibility is that your hard drive is corrupted/failing. You could try running a CHKDSK before doing the System Restore. T
