[Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
Hi, Alejandro Serrano Mena wrote: My idea is to make a client-side Haskell Web Toolkit, in the spirit of Google Web Toolkit, which would allow to program in Haskell the client part of a web application, and would complement the web frameworks already existing for Haskell (such as Yesod and Snap). http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell_web_toolkit - In memoriam ;) Feel free to use these ideas. It would be nice if you could pick it up and complete - I never did... -- Dimitry Golubovsky Anywhere on the Web ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Associative prefix operators in Parsec
Consider a simple language of logical expressions:
import Control.Applicative
import Text.Parsec hiding ((|), many)
import Text.Parsec.String
import Text.Parsec.Expr
data Expr = Truth
| Falsity
| And Expr Expr
| Or Expr Expr
| Not Expr
deriving (Show, Eq)
I define a simple expression parser using Parsec:
expr :: Parser Expr
expr= buildExpressionParser table (lexeme term)
? expression
term :: Parser Expr
term= between (lexeme (char '(')) (lexeme (char ')')) expr
| bool
? simple expression
bool :: Parser Expr
bool = lexeme (string true * pure Truth)
| lexeme (string false * pure Falsity)
lexeme :: Parser a - Parser a
lexeme p = p * spaces
table = [ [prefix ! Not ]
, [binary And AssocLeft ]
, [binary | Or AssocLeft ]
]
binary name fun assoc = Infix (do{ lexeme (string name); return fun }) assoc
prefix name fun = Prefix (do{ lexeme (string name); return fun })
Now this doesn't work:
test1 = parseTest expr !!true
But this does:
test2 = parseTest expr !(!true)
I have studied the code for buildExpressionParser, and I know why this
happens (prefix operators are treated as nonassociative), but it seems
like one would often want right-associative prefix operators (so test1
would work). Is there a common workaround or solution for this problem?
I assume the nonassociativity in Parsec is by design and not a bug.
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
Maybe I'll sound like an overused meme, but what about JQuery? JQuery already takes a combinator-like approach to Javascript and DOM manipulations, so maybe we could have a combinator library that would mimic the JQuery library. We'd obviously need some extra combinators for the required parts of Javascript and HTML generation that are not done via JQuery. JP On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com wrote: My idea would be reusing some of the already-available tools for compiling Haskell to JS (for example, UHC), and develop with any of them a complete library for client-side scripting; rather that redevelop a way to compile Haskell to JS. I think it's really a pity not being able to use things like what Yesod provides in a client-side context. And both sides would benefit: they can share common code for datatypes (as it's done in Google Web Toolkit), and autogenerate some code for sending or receiving AJAX requests, for example. 2012/3/6 Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm really looking forward to helping in the Summer of Code, if Haskell goes into it this year (something I take for granted :). I would like to propose an idea for a project, and I'm looking for suggestions about whether it's good, should be improved or it's just unfeasible. My idea is to make a client-side Haskell Web Toolkit, in the spirit of Google Web Toolkit, which would allow to program in Haskell the client part of a web application, and would complement the web frameworks already existing for Haskell (such as Yesod and Snap). The point is coming about with a Haskell-ish way to program applications, to reuse all the existing knowledge for our beloved language. I've added more details in a pre-proposal in Google Docs, available in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FnTNO9uTobDHRTDXWurKns7vGTjeauw0nRhbtt6vavs/edit Tell me if you prefer to see it in other format, but I didn't want to generate a bigger e-mail. Thanks in advance. I definitely think the idea has merit. In general I'm wary of solutions which try to compile down to Javascript[1], and I'm not sure if actually providing a full Haskell-to-JS approach is a good idea. Another possibility might be a DSL/combinator library for generating JS. Though at this point, I wouldn't rule out either approach. Yesod is currently wrapping up its 1.0 release (almost certainly out-the-door by the end of April), and after that our main focus is intended to be client-side integration, so we would certainly be happy to discuss design ideas and collaborate in general. Michael [1] I say compile down to to mean nontrivial changes, as opposed to something like Coffeescript, which is a fairly simple conversion. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
Doesn't sound overused to me. FWIW, one of the ideas floating around in my head is exactly what you're describing. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:41 PM, JP Moresmau jpmores...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'll sound like an overused meme, but what about JQuery? JQuery already takes a combinator-like approach to Javascript and DOM manipulations, so maybe we could have a combinator library that would mimic the JQuery library. We'd obviously need some extra combinators for the required parts of Javascript and HTML generation that are not done via JQuery. JP On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com wrote: My idea would be reusing some of the already-available tools for compiling Haskell to JS (for example, UHC), and develop with any of them a complete library for client-side scripting; rather that redevelop a way to compile Haskell to JS. I think it's really a pity not being able to use things like what Yesod provides in a client-side context. And both sides would benefit: they can share common code for datatypes (as it's done in Google Web Toolkit), and autogenerate some code for sending or receiving AJAX requests, for example. 2012/3/6 Michael Snoyman mich...@snoyman.com On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm really looking forward to helping in the Summer of Code, if Haskell goes into it this year (something I take for granted :). I would like to propose an idea for a project, and I'm looking for suggestions about whether it's good, should be improved or it's just unfeasible. My idea is to make a client-side Haskell Web Toolkit, in the spirit of Google Web Toolkit, which would allow to program in Haskell the client part of a web application, and would complement the web frameworks already existing for Haskell (such as Yesod and Snap). The point is coming about with a Haskell-ish way to program applications, to reuse all the existing knowledge for our beloved language. I've added more details in a pre-proposal in Google Docs, available in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FnTNO9uTobDHRTDXWurKns7vGTjeauw0nRhbtt6vavs/edit Tell me if you prefer to see it in other format, but I didn't want to generate a bigger e-mail. Thanks in advance. I definitely think the idea has merit. In general I'm wary of solutions which try to compile down to Javascript[1], and I'm not sure if actually providing a full Haskell-to-JS approach is a good idea. Another possibility might be a DSL/combinator library for generating JS. Though at this point, I wouldn't rule out either approach. Yesod is currently wrapping up its 1.0 release (almost certainly out-the-door by the end of April), and after that our main focus is intended to be client-side integration, so we would certainly be happy to discuss design ideas and collaborate in general. Michael [1] I say compile down to to mean nontrivial changes, as opposed to something like Coffeescript, which is a fairly simple conversion. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe -- JP Moresmau http://jpmoresmau.blogspot.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] GHCi fails to load C++ object files (missing symbol)
Hi, I'm trying to have GHCi load a haskell file that depends on a C++
object file, which causes GHCi to fail because of an unknown symbol (*and I
did link with **libstdc++*), whereas the link into an executable with ghc
works and runs perfectly.
I've reduced my code to the smallest one that produces the problem:
The C++ part defines a mere class and C externals that enable communication
with Haskell:
// Header Stuff.hpp
class Base {
public:
Base();
~Base();
}
extern C {
Base* mkthing();
void delthing(Base*);
}
---
// Source Stuff.cpp
#include iostream
#include Stuff.hpp
using namespace std;
Base::Base()
{
cout Base created endl;
}
Base::~Base()
{
cout Base deleted endl;
}
extern C {
Base* mkthing()
{
return new Base();
}
void delthing(Base* b)
{
delete b;
}
}
Haskell code (just for reference, but I'm not sure it's relevant), Main.hs:
{-# LANGUAGE ForeignFunctionInterface #-}
import Foreign
import Foreign.C
foreign import ccall unsafe mkthing
mkthing :: IO (Ptr ())
foreign import ccall unsafe delthing
delthing :: Ptr () - IO ()
main = do
p - mkthing
delthing p
I then compile it with:
g++ -c Stuff.cpp
ghci Main.hs Stuff.o -lstdc++
And then the error is:
Loading object (static) Stuff.o ... done
Loading object (dynamic)
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gcc/i686-linux-gnu/4.5.2/libstdc++.so ... done
final link ... ghc: Stuff.o: unknown symbol `__dso_handle'
linking extra libraries/objects failed
Whereas 'ghc Main.hs Stuff.o -lstdc++' works just fine.
Does GHCi lacks a link directive that regular GHC has?
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] GHCi fails to load C++ object files (missing symbol)
Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to mention I'm using GHC 7.4 and
gcc/libstdc++ 4.5.2.
(Running Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal).
2012/3/7 Yves Parès yves.pa...@gmail.com
Hi, I'm trying to have GHCi load a haskell file that depends on a C++
object file, which causes GHCi to fail because of an unknown symbol (*and
I did link with **libstdc++*), whereas the link into an executable with
ghc works and runs perfectly.
I've reduced my code to the smallest one that produces the problem:
The C++ part defines a mere class and C externals that enable
communication with Haskell:
// Header Stuff.hpp
class Base {
public:
Base();
~Base();
}
extern C {
Base* mkthing();
void delthing(Base*);
}
---
// Source Stuff.cpp
#include iostream
#include Stuff.hpp
using namespace std;
Base::Base()
{
cout Base created endl;
}
Base::~Base()
{
cout Base deleted endl;
}
extern C {
Base* mkthing()
{
return new Base();
}
void delthing(Base* b)
{
delete b;
}
}
Haskell code (just for reference, but I'm not sure it's relevant), Main.hs:
{-# LANGUAGE ForeignFunctionInterface #-}
import Foreign
import Foreign.C
foreign import ccall unsafe mkthing
mkthing :: IO (Ptr ())
foreign import ccall unsafe delthing
delthing :: Ptr () - IO ()
main = do
p - mkthing
delthing p
I then compile it with:
g++ -c Stuff.cpp
ghci Main.hs Stuff.o -lstdc++
And then the error is:
Loading object (static) Stuff.o ... done
Loading object (dynamic)
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gcc/i686-linux-gnu/4.5.2/libstdc++.so ... done
final link ... ghc: Stuff.o: unknown symbol `__dso_handle'
linking extra libraries/objects failed
Whereas 'ghc Main.hs Stuff.o -lstdc++' works just fine.
Does GHCi lacks a link directive that regular GHC has?
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
This is obviously a great concept. However, it may not be appropriate for a GSoC. The design space is far too open, and it is not clear if anything in that space will end up beating plain old javascript. I think my proposal for an awesome websockets library [1] shows that this is putting the cart before the horse. For some of the potential javascript solutions, websockets is a dependency anyways. Without being able to hold open a connection to the server, required server interaction will be too slow. Yesod has been successful by explicitly avoiding any new radical paradigms, but by instead just trying to get the basics of web development established correctly. Without websockets, we don't have the basics down for fluid client-side interaction. The groundwork for this ticket has been laid: it should be easy to accomplish with time left over. So we are guaranteed a clear win for the community. With the time left over, a solution to the javascript problem can be attempted. But there is no burden for it to be solved within the summer. Next year the landscape will be more mature and we can try to come up with a solid proposal for the javscript problem if the community hasn't already created a solution. [1] http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/summer-of-code/ticket/1607 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
I agree with you that maybe this proposal is vague for a GSoC, but I don't think that websockets is a good option either, because not all browsers support them. Indeed, web development has gone a long way without contant communication with the server and I think Haskell should support this way of working too. My idea would rather go on the direction of using stablished Haskell concepts to web development. Some ideas are: - use an applicative interface like the one of Yesod for forms validation and sending - see the DOM via a Zipper interface, so widgets will anchor themselves in some point of the tree and change things around them - use FRP for Canvas interaction - ... Actually, thinking which Haskell concepts could behave well with client-side development is an interesting discussion by its own :) 2012/3/7 Greg Weber g...@gregweber.info This is obviously a great concept. However, it may not be appropriate for a GSoC. The design space is far too open, and it is not clear if anything in that space will end up beating plain old javascript. I think my proposal for an awesome websockets library [1] shows that this is putting the cart before the horse. For some of the potential javascript solutions, websockets is a dependency anyways. Without being able to hold open a connection to the server, required server interaction will be too slow. Yesod has been successful by explicitly avoiding any new radical paradigms, but by instead just trying to get the basics of web development established correctly. Without websockets, we don't have the basics down for fluid client-side interaction. The groundwork for this ticket has been laid: it should be easy to accomplish with time left over. So we are guaranteed a clear win for the community. With the time left over, a solution to the javascript problem can be attempted. But there is no burden for it to be solved within the summer. Next year the landscape will be more mature and we can try to come up with a solid proposal for the javscript problem if the community hasn't already created a solution. [1] http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/summer-of-code/ticket/1607 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Summer of Code idea: Haskell Web Toolkit
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Alejandro Serrano Mena trup...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with you that maybe this proposal is vague for a GSoC, but I don't think that websockets is a good option either, because not all browsers support them. We already have a websockets library, but like you say it is not very useful by itself because it may not be supported in all browsers. The GSoC proposal is to create a library that will use appropriate fallbacks on all browsers, which is how websockets are normally used. 2012/3/7 Greg Weber g...@gregweber.info This is obviously a great concept. However, it may not be appropriate for a GSoC. The design space is far too open, and it is not clear if anything in that space will end up beating plain old javascript. I think my proposal for an awesome websockets library [1] shows that this is putting the cart before the horse. For some of the potential javascript solutions, websockets is a dependency anyways. Without being able to hold open a connection to the server, required server interaction will be too slow. Yesod has been successful by explicitly avoiding any new radical paradigms, but by instead just trying to get the basics of web development established correctly. Without websockets, we don't have the basics down for fluid client-side interaction. The groundwork for this ticket has been laid: it should be easy to accomplish with time left over. So we are guaranteed a clear win for the community. With the time left over, a solution to the javascript problem can be attempted. But there is no burden for it to be solved within the summer. Next year the landscape will be more mature and we can try to come up with a solid proposal for the javscript problem if the community hasn't already created a solution. [1] http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/summer-of-code/ticket/1607 ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] If you'd design a Haskell-like language, what would you do different?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Alexander Solla alex.so...@gmail.com wrote: * Documentation that discourages thinking about bottom as a 'value'. It's not a value, and that is what defines it. The fact that bottom is a value in Haskell is the fundamental thing that differentiates Haskell from other languages and the source of its power. The fact that f _|_ /= _|_ potentially _is_ what it means to be a lazy language. It is what allows us to implement loops and conditionals as normal functions rather than requiring special and limited language contexts. But more importantly, it is required to think about _|_ as a value in order to prove the correctness of many algorithms, it is the base case of your inductive reasoning. A Haskell programmer who cannot think of _|_ in that way will plateau as very useful idioms such as tying the knot, infinite data structures, etc.. are just complicated to think about in operational semantics when they get more interesting than an infinite list. Not treating _|_ as a value would be a huge disservice to anyone learning the language. Sure, it may seem a little strange coming from the imperative world to think of it as a value, but it is by far the oddest concept in Haskell, after all, _functions_ are values in Haskell and people seem to eventually figure that out. John ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] Monad.Reader #20 - DEADLINE EXTENSION
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