Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Mark Lentczner]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Vo Minh Thu  wrote:

> Mm. Do 12000 lines of auto-generated code[0] count?
>
>
Yes: The generator gets to be a member of the Haskell community!  :-)

- Mark
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Vo Minh Thu]

2011/3/17 wren ng thornton :
> On 3/17/11 9:18 AM, Andy Stewart wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jan
>>> Christiansen  wrote:
>>> if you have written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell,
>
> Goodness. It looks like my current project is over 17,275 lines including
> documentation but excluding testing code (of which 2,557 are Java client
> code and 2,686 were prior work). I knew it was getting big, but not that
> big...

Mm. Do 12000 lines of auto-generated code[0] count?

[0] https://github.com/noteed/hblend/blob/master/Data/Blend/B245.hs

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[wren ng thornton]

On 3/17/11 9:18 AM, Andy Stewart wrote:

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jan Christiansen  
wrote:
if you have written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell,


Goodness. It looks like my current project is over 17,275 lines 
including documentation but excluding testing code (of which 2,557 are 
Java client code and 2,686 were prior work). I knew it was getting big, 
but not that big...


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Andy Stewart]

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jan Christiansen 
>  wrote:
>
> On 12.02.2011, at 21:18, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the 
> Haskell community is ?
>
> All the answers made me wonder what the criterion is to be a member of 
> the Haskell
> community. Are you a member if you downloaded
> ghc, if you have (at least once) defined a Monad instance, if you have 
> written a hackage
> package, if you have contributed to the
> Monad.Reader, if you have a github account with at least one Haskell 
> project, if you read at
> least one of the haskell mailing
> lists, if you contribute to a haskell mailing list (perhaps on a regular 
> basis), if you post on
> reddit, if you answer/ask
> questions on stackoverflow, if you have written at least 1 lines of 
> code in Haskell, 
Manatee in developing, 26050 lines ... 

The real world program that written by Haskell.

http://goo.gl/MkVw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weS6zys3U8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3DgKDVkyeM

I do not care how large haskell community now, 
I only know ours efforts make haskell community become more powerful!

  -- Andy


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Yves Parès]

>
http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html

I love the sentence "We crafted a fake satirical post lampooning Haskell as
an unusable, overly complex turd -- a writing task that was *emotionally
difficult but conceptually trivial*."
God bless self mockery ;).

> Achievement Unlocked: Stumped Oleg!

There was the Godwin point, now we have the Oleg point.
( For the layman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law )


2011/3/17 Edward Kmett 

> Clearly we need some sort of xbox live -like achievement system for these.
>
> Achievement Unlocked: Stumped Oleg!
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jan Christiansen <
> j...@informatik.uni-kiel.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 12.02.2011, at 21:18, Aaron Gray wrote:
>>
>>  I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
>>> Haskell community is ?
>>>
>>
>> All the answers made me wonder what the criterion is to be a member of the
>> Haskell community. Are you a member if you downloaded ghc, if you have (at
>> least once) defined a Monad instance, if you have written a hackage package,
>> if you have contributed to the Monad.Reader, if you have a github account
>> with at least one Haskell project, if you read at least one of the haskell
>> mailing lists, if you contribute to a haskell mailing list (perhaps on a
>> regular basis), if you post on reddit, if you answer/ask questions on
>> stackoverflow, if you have written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell,
>> if Haskell is one of the programming languages you use, if Haskell is the
>> one programming language you use, if you have written a PhD thesis related
>> to Haskell, if you have asked a type related question only Oleg Kiselyov was
>> able to answer, if you know what a Monoid is and know how to use it ... ; )
>>
>> Cheers, Jan
>>
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Edward Kmett]

Clearly we need some sort of xbox live -like achievement system for these.

Achievement Unlocked: Stumped Oleg!

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jan Christiansen <
j...@informatik.uni-kiel.de> wrote:

>
> On 12.02.2011, at 21:18, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>  I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
>> Haskell community is ?
>>
>
> All the answers made me wonder what the criterion is to be a member of the
> Haskell community. Are you a member if you downloaded ghc, if you have (at
> least once) defined a Monad instance, if you have written a hackage package,
> if you have contributed to the Monad.Reader, if you have a github account
> with at least one Haskell project, if you read at least one of the haskell
> mailing lists, if you contribute to a haskell mailing list (perhaps on a
> regular basis), if you post on reddit, if you answer/ask questions on
> stackoverflow, if you have written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell,
> if Haskell is one of the programming languages you use, if Haskell is the
> one programming language you use, if you have written a PhD thesis related
> to Haskell, if you have asked a type related question only Oleg Kiselyov was
> able to answer, if you know what a Monoid is and know how to use it ... ; )
>
> Cheers, Jan
>
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Andrew Coppin]

On 12/02/2011 08:18 PM, Aaron Gray wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
Haskell community is ?


http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Daniel de Kok]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Aaron Gray  wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
> Haskell community is ?

54,862 members.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Artyom Kazak]

Aaron Gray  писал(а) в своём письме Sat, 12  
Feb 2011 22:18:33 +0200:



I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
Haskell community is ?

Aaron


I've been subscribed to this list since the very start of the 2010 year,  
and I counted 1168 ± 20 different persons posting to this list (I just  
listed all the mail from Haskell-Cafe in my mail client and after 1.5  
hours of work I counted them all, so I can be slightly mistaken).


As only 1/2 of all haskellers post to the Cafe, and as I'm novice, I  
missed... OK, 6/7 of all haskellers (the number of haskellers grows over  
time, so there was little of them 10 years ago), 1200 * 2 * 7 = 16800  
haskellers.


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Michael Snoyman]

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 4:19 AM, Felipe Almeida Lessa
 wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Aaron Gray  
> wrote:
>> Maybe we should have some website like the Linux Counter where you can get
>> an official Haskell user number ?
>> Then advertise it well.
>
> We already have haskellers.com, almost there. =)

Well, Haskellers does have an "official" number for each registered
user, but since it's using OpenID, the definition of "registered user"
is a little hazy. Basically, anyone who ever logs in will get a number
assigned. So I would not trust the count of total "accounts" for
anything other than people who have taken some form of interest in
haskellers.com.

On the other hand, Haskellers does give a count on the home page of
495 public and 145 private accounts, and I *would* consider those
numbers to mean something: it gives a lower bound to the number of
people who are interested in Haskell enough to join a site for
Haskellers. In other words: it doesn't tell us much more than we knew
already.

If there's interest in trying to get a more accurate count of "active"
Haskellers[1], and people think haskellers.com could help somehow, let
me know.

Michael

[1] For some definitin of active Haskeller.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Felipe Almeida Lessa]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Aaron Gray  wrote:
> Maybe we should have some website like the Linux Counter where you can get
> an official Haskell user number ?
> Then advertise it well.

We already have haskellers.com, almost there. =)

-- 
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Aaron Gray]

On 12 February 2011 23:57, Jan Christiansen wrote:

>
> On 12.02.2011, at 21:18, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>  I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
>> Haskell community is ?
>>
>
> All the answers made me wonder what the criterion is to be a member of the
> Haskell community. Are you a member if you downloaded ghc, if you have (at
> least once) defined a Monad instance, if you have written a hackage package,
> if you have contributed to the Monad.Reader, if you have a github account
> with at least one Haskell project, if you read at least one of the haskell
> mailing lists, if you contribute to a haskell mailing list (perhaps on a
> regular basis), if you post on reddit, if you answer/ask questions on
> stackoverflow, if you have written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell,
> if Haskell is one of the programming languages you use, if Haskell is the
> one programming language you use, if you have written a PhD thesis related
> to Haskell, if you have asked a type related question only Oleg Kiselyov was
> able to answer, if you know what a Monoid is and know how to use it ... ; )
>
> Cheers, Jan
>

Maybe we should have some website like the Linux Counter where you can get
an official Haskell user number ?

Then advertise it well.

Aaron
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Jan Christiansen]

On 12.02.2011, at 21:18, Aaron Gray wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large  
the Haskell community is ?


All the answers made me wonder what the criterion is to be a member of  
the Haskell community. Are you a member if you downloaded ghc, if you  
have (at least once) defined a Monad instance, if you have written a  
hackage package, if you have contributed to the Monad.Reader, if you  
have a github account with at least one Haskell project, if you read  
at least one of the haskell mailing lists, if you contribute to a  
haskell mailing list (perhaps on a regular basis), if you post on  
reddit, if you answer/ask questions on stackoverflow, if you have  
written at least 1 lines of code in Haskell, if Haskell is one of  
the programming languages you use, if Haskell is the one programming  
language you use, if you have written a PhD thesis related to Haskell,  
if you have asked a type related question only Oleg Kiselyov was able  
to answer, if you know what a Monoid is and know how to use it ... ; )


Cheers, Jan

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Tony Morris]

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On 13/02/11 08:37, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> Aaron Gray wrote:
>
>> I am wondering if mailing list statistics would be the best guide
>> ?
>
> I am the organiser of FP-Syd, the Sydney (Australia) functiona
> prgramming group.
>
> Of the people who are regaular attendees to FP-Syed meetings, who
> say they are haskell users, I have seen less than 50% of these
> people post to this or other haskell mailing lists.
>
> Mailing list statistics may not be a good guide.
>
> Erik
I am the co-organiser of Brisbane Functional Programming Group with
nearly 200 members. I have not seen anywhere near 50% post here.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Jake McArthur]

On 02/12/2011 02:22 PM, Christopher Done wrote:

IRC channel has 600~ users in at any one time.


At this moment it has 720! And this seems to be roughly the norm recently.

- Jake McArthur

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Aaron Gray wrote:

> I am wondering if mailing list statistics would be the best guide ?

I am the organiser of FP-Syd, the Sydney (Australia) functiona prgramming
group.

Of the people who are regaular attendees to FP-Syed meetings, who say
they are haskell users, I have seen less than 50% of these people 
post to this or other haskell mailing lists.

Mailing list statistics may not be a good guide.

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Don Stewart]

aaronngray.lists:
>Then there are people who download it, look at it and maybe find it too
>complex to use ?�
>I am wondering if mailing list statistics would be the best guide ?

Many people don't subscribe to the mailing list, and instead read it on
gmane, or google, or reddit, or follow the stackoverflow site, or ...

E.g. 6500 people follow Haskell on Reddit. How many Haskellers don't
feel the need to read daily news about it?

-- Don


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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Aaron Gray]

On 12 February 2011 21:31, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:

> Aaron Gray wrote:
>
> > On 12 February 2011 20:24, Don Stewart  wrote:
> >
> > > aaronngray.lists:
> > > >I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large
> the
> > > >Haskell community is ?
> > >
> > > No one knows. There are many figures that you could use to estimate the
> > > size (e.g. I try to gather signifcant stats in yearly reports about
> > > Hackage)
> > >
> > >  * In 2010, for example, 138,000 unique IPs downloaded the Haskell
> > > Platform.
> > >
> > >http://www.galois.com/~dons/talks/hiw-hackage-y2.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > Right 138,000, but that would not account for gateways :|
>
> Or people who get Haskell related stuff via their Linux distribution
> (specifically Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora, but possibly others as well).
>

Then there are people who download it, look at it and maybe find it too
complex to use ?

I am wondering if mailing list statistics would be the best guide ?

Aaron
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Aaron Gray wrote:

> On 12 February 2011 20:24, Don Stewart  wrote:
> 
> > aaronngray.lists:
> > >I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
> > >Haskell community is ?
> >
> > No one knows. There are many figures that you could use to estimate the
> > size (e.g. I try to gather signifcant stats in yearly reports about
> > Hackage)
> >
> >  * In 2010, for example, 138,000 unique IPs downloaded the Haskell
> > Platform.
> >
> >http://www.galois.com/~dons/talks/hiw-hackage-y2.pdf
> >
> >
> Right 138,000, but that would not account for gateways :|

Or people who get Haskell related stuff via their Linux distribution
(specifically Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora, but possibly others as well).

Erik
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Aaron Gray]

On 12 February 2011 20:24, Don Stewart  wrote:

> aaronngray.lists:
> >I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
> >Haskell community is ?
>
> No one knows. There are many figures that you could use to estimate the
> size (e.g. I try to gather signifcant stats in yearly reports about
> Hackage)
>
>  * In 2010, for example, 138,000 unique IPs downloaded the Haskell
> Platform.
>
>http://www.galois.com/~dons/talks/hiw-hackage-y2.pdf
>
>
Right 138,000, but that would not account for gateways :|

Aaron
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Don Stewart]

aaronngray.lists:
>I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
>Haskell community is ?

No one knows. There are many figures that you could use to estimate the
size (e.g. I try to gather signifcant stats in yearly reports about
Hackage)

 * In 2010, for example, 138,000 unique IPs downloaded the Haskell Platform.

http://www.galois.com/~dons/talks/hiw-hackage-y2.pdf

-- Don

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Christopher Done]

On 12 February 2011 21:18, Aaron Gray  wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
> Haskell community is ?


http://blog.johantibell.com/2010/08/results-from-state-of-haskell-2010.html

The
IRC channel has 600~ users in at any one time.
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[Haskell-cafe] How large is the Haskell community ?

[Aaron Gray]

I was wondering if anyone had an idea or estimate as to how large the
Haskell community is ?

Aaron
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