Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Tom Murphy]

> Q: Does this mean that my Haskell project must now be covered by a
>  copyleft licence such as GPL?
> A: No, but Haskell projects using haskell.org resource should use an
> Open Source licence
>  .
>

"Should" == must?
Would this apply to everything on Hackage?

Thanks for clarifying,
Tom

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Antoine Latter]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Don Stewart  wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term stability
> of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
> incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
> recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
>
> The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
> under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same group
> that Darcs joined recently):
>
>    http://sfconservancy.org/
>
> If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
> registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
> (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
> Haskell open source community.
>
> We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
>
> -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
>
>

Keeping -cafe and committee@ on the CC list.

Joining the SFC looks like a good alternative to full-on
incorporation, and having some sort of legal cover for operations
involving money and ownership of infrastructure looks like a good
idea.

Which assets would move over to the SFC? The domain name? Any sort of
hosting could then be leased by the SFC to whomever is doing this now.
I'm a bit fuzzy here.

They look pretty flexible, and are open to some, none, or all of a
project's assets being in the name of the SFC.

Antoine



>
> 
>
> = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
>
> In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money from
> Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine for use 
> in
> GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in particular, on
> hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running fundraising
> drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting fees.
>
> However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity, meaning that
> these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such as
> Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with no-one
> being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
>
> To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become a 
> member
> project of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)
> . The SFC is a non-profit 
> organization
> that provides free financial and administrative services to open source
> projects. Additionally, it has 501(c)(3) status, meaning donations from the US
> are tax-deductible. The SFC would hold haskell.org's money and other assets,
> and would be able to accept donations on behalf of haskell.org.
>
> The haskell.org committee, as described here [2], will make decisions on
> spending assets and other decisions related to governing the non-profit.
>
>
> Before proceeding, we are inviting input from the community in the form
> of specific objections or queries regarding the plan.
>
> We've tried to answer some of the most likely questions:
>
> Q: Does this mean that my Haskell project must now be covered by a
>     copyleft licence such as GPL?
> A: No, but Haskell projects using haskell.org resource should use an
>    Open Source licence
>     .
>
> Q: Will it still be possible to use community.h.o to host
>     non-open-source material, such as academic papers?
> A: An overall minority of such content, as is the current situation, is
>    not a problem.
>
> Q: Will it still be possible to have job ads on the haskell.org mailing
>    lists and website?
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Will this affect our ability to host the Haskell Symposium
>      and Industrial Haskell
>    Group  webpages within haskell.org?
> A: No.
>
> Q: What will be the relationship between haskell.org and other
>    organizations such as the Haskell Symposium and Industrial Haskell
>    Group?
> A: Those organisations will continue to exist as separate entities.
>
> Q: If an umbrella non-profit organisation "The Haskell Foundation" was
>    created, would haskell.org be able to join it?
> A: Yes. It's likely that in such a scenario, the Haskell Foundation
>    would become the owner of the haskell.org domain name, with the cost
>    divided between the members. The entity that is part of the SFC would
>    be renamed "community.haskell.org" in order to avoid confusion.
>
> [1]: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee
> [2]: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee#Operation
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Ganesh Sittampalam]

On 11/05/2011 06:08, Antoine Latter wrote:

> Which assets would move over to the SFC? The domain name? Any sort of
> hosting could then be leased by the SFC to whomever is doing this now.
> I'm a bit fuzzy here.

Everything but the domain name, so that the Haskell community as a whole
can retain the ability to do other things with it in future that aren't
subject to licensing constraints. Current cash and hardware would move over.

Ganesh
(haskell.org committee member)

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Simon Peyton-Jones]

Dear haskell.org committee

Great stuff.  Thanks for getting this together.

Things I wondered about are:
- who will run the haskell.org entity?
- how are they chosen?  do they have fixed terms? 
- how are they accountable to the Haskell Community
  (eg an a brief annual report would be good; 
 since money is involved, accounts perhaps)

None of these look like being problems to me, but I think we should have a page 
that sets out these matters -- a kind of constitution for haskell.org, if you 
like -- as part of the process.

Simon

| -Original Message-
| From: libraries-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:libraries-boun...@haskell.org] On 
Behalf
| Of Don Stewart
| Sent: 10 May 2011 23:45
| To: hask...@haskell.org; Haskell Libraries; GHC Users Mailing List; 
haskell-cafe;
| commit...@haskell.org
| Subject: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org
| 
| Hello everyone.
| 
| The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term stability
| of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
| incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
| recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
| 
| The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
| under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same group
| that Darcs joined recently):
| 
| http://sfconservancy.org/
| 
| If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
| registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
| (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
| Haskell open source community.
| 
| We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
| 
| -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
| 
| 
| 
| 
| 
| = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
| 
| In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money from
| Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine for use 
in
| GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in particular, on
| hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running fundraising
| drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting fees.
| 
| However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity, meaning that
| these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such as
| Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with no-one
| being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
| 
| To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become a 
member
| project of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)
| . The SFC is a non-profit 
organization
| that provides free financial and administrative services to open source
| projects. Additionally, it has 501(c)(3) status, meaning donations from the US
| are tax-deductible. The SFC would hold haskell.org's money and other assets,
| and would be able to accept donations on behalf of haskell.org.
| 
| The haskell.org committee, as described here [2], will make decisions on
| spending assets and other decisions related to governing the non-profit.
| 
| 
| Before proceeding, we are inviting input from the community in the form
| of specific objections or queries regarding the plan.
| 
| We've tried to answer some of the most likely questions:
| 
| Q: Does this mean that my Haskell project must now be covered by a
|  copyleft licence such as GPL?
| A: No, but Haskell projects using haskell.org resource should use an
| Open Source licence
|  .
| 
| Q: Will it still be possible to use community.h.o to host
|  non-open-source material, such as academic papers?
| A: An overall minority of such content, as is the current situation, is
| not a problem.
| 
| Q: Will it still be possible to have job ads on the haskell.org mailing
| lists and website?
| A: Yes.
| 
| Q: Will this affect our ability to host the Haskell Symposium
|   and Industrial Haskell
| Group  webpages within haskell.org?
| A: No.
| 
| Q: What will be the relationship between haskell.org and other
| organizations such as the Haskell Symposium and Industrial Haskell
| Group?
| A: Those organisations will continue to exist as separate entities.
| 
| Q: If an umbrella non-profit organisation "The Haskell Foundation" was
| created, would haskell.org be able to join it?
| A: Yes. It's likely that in such a scenario, the Haskell Foundation
| would become the owner of the haskell.org domain name, with the cost
| divided between the members. The entity that is part of the SFC would
| be renamed "community.haskell.org" in order to avoid confusion.
| 
| [1]: http://www.ha

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Yitzchak Gale]

Don Stewart wrote:
> The haskell.org committee... has decided to
> incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
> recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.

Thanks, good news! And thanks for posting to multiple
lists for maximum public notification to the community.

Can the committee now designate a single list for further discussion
please?

Thanks,
Yitz

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Ganesh Sittampalam]

On 11/05/2011 10:33, Yitzchak Gale wrote:
> Don Stewart wrote:
>> The haskell.org committee... has decided to
>> incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
>> recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
> 
> Thanks, good news! And thanks for posting to multiple
> lists for maximum public notification to the community.
> 
> Can the committee now designate a single list for further discussion
> please?

Sorry about the noise. I think haskell-cafe is the best choice for
further discussion.

Please, everyone send further followups to any message in this thread to
just haskell-cafe@haskell.org and commit...@haskell.org, or just to
commit...@haskell.org if you want to respond privately.

Ganesh
(haskell.org committee member)

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Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Don Stewart]

The intent is that all management of haskell.org infrastructure
continues to be done by the haskell.org committee, following this
charter (e.g. the team that has been making decisions about
haskell.org servers and systems for the past 6 months):

http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee

So the day-to-day work of haskell.org that we all see remains with the
community. The paper filing and legal work is done by the SFC support.



The process for the haskell.org committee itself was voted on last year:

 *  The committee consists of 7 members. Members are expected to serve
a 3 year term, and terms are staggered so that 2 or 3 members step
down each year, at the end of October.

 *  The members will elect one of their number to be chair each year.
The chair is responsible for making sure that things keep moving, and
to ensure that a conclusion is reached on any issues raised.

 *When a member steps down, either because they have reached the
end of their term or because other circumstances require them to step
down early, open self-nominations will be sought from the community
via the haskell@ mailing list. Previous committee members, including
those who have just stepped down, will also be eligible for
nomination. The committee will then select a replacement from amongst
those nominated.

 *   Each year, the committee will post a statement of the haskell.org
assets, and the transactions for that year. Some details may be
omitted, e.g. for confidentiality of donors.

Cheers,
   Don

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones
 wrote:
> Dear haskell.org committee
>
> Great stuff.  Thanks for getting this together.
>
> Things I wondered about are:
>        - who will run the haskell.org entity?
>        - how are they chosen?  do they have fixed terms?
>        - how are they accountable to the Haskell Community
>          (eg an a brief annual report would be good;
>             since money is involved, accounts perhaps)
>
> None of these look like being problems to me, but I think we should have a 
> page that sets out these matters -- a kind of constitution for haskell.org, 
> if you like -- as part of the process.
>
> Simon
>
> | -Original Message-
> | From: libraries-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:libraries-boun...@haskell.org] 
> On Behalf
> | Of Don Stewart
> | Sent: 10 May 2011 23:45
> | To: hask...@haskell.org; Haskell Libraries; GHC Users Mailing List; 
> haskell-cafe;
> | commit...@haskell.org
> | Subject: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org
> |
> | Hello everyone.
> |
> | The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term stability
> | of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
> | incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
> | recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
> |
> | The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
> | under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same group
> | that Darcs joined recently):
> |
> |     http://sfconservancy.org/
> |
> | If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
> | registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
> | (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
> | Haskell open source community.
> |
> | We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
> |
> | -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
> |
> |
> |
> | 
> |
> | = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
> |
> | In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money from
> | Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine for 
> use in
> | GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in particular, on
> | hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running fundraising
> | drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting fees.
> |
> | However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity, meaning that
> | these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such as
> | Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with 
> no-one
> | being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
> |
> | To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become a 
> member
> | project of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)
> | . The SFC is a non-profit 
> organization
> | that provides free financial and administrative services to open source
> | projects. Additionally, it has 501(c)(3) status, meaning donations from the 
> US
> | are tax-deductible. The SFC would hold haskell.org's money and other assets,
> | and would be able to accept donations on behalf of haskell.org.
> |
> | The haskell.org committ

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Jason Dagit]

I would like to add a big thank you to everyone involved and a huge thanks
to the SFC.

I believe this move is the right one and it will be tremendously valuable to
the community going forward.

Thanks!

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Don Stewart  wrote:

> The intent is that all management of haskell.org infrastructure
> continues to be done by the haskell.org committee, following this
> charter (e.g. the team that has been making decisions about
> haskell.org servers and systems for the past 6 months):
>
>http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee
>
> So the day-to-day work of haskell.org that we all see remains with the
> community. The paper filing and legal work is done by the SFC support.
>
>
> 
>
> The process for the haskell.org committee itself was voted on last year:
>
>  *  The committee consists of 7 members. Members are expected to serve
> a 3 year term, and terms are staggered so that 2 or 3 members step
> down each year, at the end of October.
>
>  *  The members will elect one of their number to be chair each year.
> The chair is responsible for making sure that things keep moving, and
> to ensure that a conclusion is reached on any issues raised.
>
>  *When a member steps down, either because they have reached the
> end of their term or because other circumstances require them to step
> down early, open self-nominations will be sought from the community
> via the haskell@ mailing list. Previous committee members, including
> those who have just stepped down, will also be eligible for
> nomination. The committee will then select a replacement from amongst
> those nominated.
>
>  *   Each year, the committee will post a statement of the haskell.org
> assets, and the transactions for that year. Some details may be
> omitted, e.g. for confidentiality of donors.
>
> Cheers,
>   Don
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Simon Peyton-Jones
>  wrote:
> > Dear haskell.org committee
> >
> > Great stuff.  Thanks for getting this together.
> >
> > Things I wondered about are:
> >- who will run the haskell.org entity?
> >- how are they chosen?  do they have fixed terms?
> >- how are they accountable to the Haskell Community
> >  (eg an a brief annual report would be good;
> > since money is involved, accounts perhaps)
> >
> > None of these look like being problems to me, but I think we should have
> a page that sets out these matters -- a kind of constitution for
> haskell.org, if you like -- as part of the process.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > | -Original Message-
> > | From: libraries-boun...@haskell.org [mailto:
> libraries-boun...@haskell.org] On Behalf
> > | Of Don Stewart
> > | Sent: 10 May 2011 23:45
> > | To: hask...@haskell.org; Haskell Libraries; GHC Users Mailing List;
> haskell-cafe;
> > | commit...@haskell.org
> > | Subject: Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org
> > |
> > | Hello everyone.
> > |
> > | The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term
> stability
> > | of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
> > | incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
> > | recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
> > |
> > | The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
> > | under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same
> group
> > | that Darcs joined recently):
> > |
> > | http://sfconservancy.org/
> > |
> > | If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
> > | registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
> > | (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
> > | Haskell open source community.
> > |
> > | We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
> > |
> > | -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> 
> > |
> > | = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
> > |
> > | In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money
> from
> > | Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine
> for use in
> > | GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in
> particular, on
> > | hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running
> fundraising
> > | drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting
> fees.
> > |
> > | However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity,
> meaning that
> > | these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such
> as
> > | Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with
> no-one
> > | being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
> > |
> > | To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become
> a member
> > | project of th

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Proposal to incorporate Haskell.org

[Nicholas Tung]

Just a thought -- I'd rather pay for a journal or the like than only give a
donation. (The web journals are great, but I find it easier on the eyes to
read print instead of a computer screen.)

cheers,
Nicholas — https://ntung.com — CS and Mathematics major @ UC Berkeley

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Don Stewart  wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> The haskell.org committee[1], in the interest of the long-term stability
> of the open source Haskell community infrastructure, has decided to
> incorporate haskell.org as a legal entity. This email outlines our
> recommendation, and seeks input from the community on this decision.
>
> The committee's proposal is that haskell.org incorporate as an entity
> under the Software Freedom Conservancy umbrella organization (the same
> group
> that Darcs joined recently):
>
>http://sfconservancy.org/
>
> If we proceed with this move, haskell.org will be a legal entity, and
> registered as a non-profit, allowing us to more directly accept
> (US tax-deductible) donations, and to invest in assets that benefit the
> Haskell open source community.
>
> We welcome your feedback on the proposal attached below.
>
> -- Don Stewart (on behalf of the Haskell.org committee)
>
>
>
> 
>
> = A proposal for the incorporation of Haskell.org =
>
> In recent years, haskell.org has started to receive assets, e.g. money
> from
> Google Summer Of Code, donations for Hackathons, and a Sparc machine for
> use in
> GHC development. We have also started spending this money: in particular,
> on
> hosting haskell.org itself. There is also interest in running fundraising
> drives for specific things such as Hackathon sponsorship and hosting fees.
>
> However, haskell.org doesn't currently exist as a legal entity, meaning
> that
> these assets have had to be held on our behalf by other entities, such as
> Galois and various universities. This leads to tricky situations, with
> no-one
> being sure who should decide how the haskell.org assets can be used.
>
> To solve these problems, we propose that haskell.org applies to become a
> member
> project of the Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC)
> . The SFC is a non-profit
> organization
> that provides free financial and administrative services to open source
> projects. Additionally, it has 501(c)(3) status, meaning donations from the
> US
> are tax-deductible. The SFC would hold haskell.org's money and other
> assets,
> and would be able to accept donations on behalf of haskell.org.
>
> The haskell.org committee, as described here [2], will make decisions on
> spending assets and other decisions related to governing the non-profit.
>
>
> Before proceeding, we are inviting input from the community in the form
> of specific objections or queries regarding the plan.
>
> We've tried to answer some of the most likely questions:
>
> Q: Does this mean that my Haskell project must now be covered by a
> copyleft licence such as GPL?
> A: No, but Haskell projects using haskell.org resource should use an
>Open Source licence
> .
>
> Q: Will it still be possible to use community.h.o to host
> non-open-source material, such as academic papers?
> A: An overall minority of such content, as is the current situation, is
>not a problem.
>
> Q: Will it still be possible to have job ads on the haskell.org mailing
>lists and website?
> A: Yes.
>
> Q: Will this affect our ability to host the Haskell Symposium
>  and Industrial Haskell
>Group  webpages within haskell.org?
> A: No.
>
> Q: What will be the relationship between haskell.org and other
>organizations such as the Haskell Symposium and Industrial Haskell
>Group?
> A: Those organisations will continue to exist as separate entities.
>
> Q: If an umbrella non-profit organisation "The Haskell Foundation" was
>created, would haskell.org be able to join it?
> A: Yes. It's likely that in such a scenario, the Haskell Foundation
>would become the owner of the haskell.org domain name, with the cost
>divided between the members. The entity that is part of the SFC would
>be renamed "community.haskell.org" in order to avoid confusion.
>
> [1]: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee
> [2]: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Haskell.org_committee#Operation
>
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