Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
On 9/21/06, Misha Aizatulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My concern about introducing a web forum would be that it is yet another place I have to search every time I need information (besides the haskell report, compiler docs and tracker, 2 wikis and the mailing lists :) That probably speaks to an effort for better organization of the information rather than banning a way to create more. So setting up a web forum would only be good if it can do something a mailing list cannot do. Well there's one thing that a web forum can do that a mailing list can never do, which is provide a mechanism for those who like web forums better than mailing lists. How important that is really depends on how many people would rather use a web forum than a mailing list. Many of the responses so far have decried web forums in preference to mailing lists, but this is, after all, a mailing list. - searchability. I wouldn't agree - I can download the whole contents of a mailing list from gmane and search it in my mail client - goes way faster than in a forum. A similar mechanism could be implemented for a web forum. The data is just sitting in a database, after all. An format for easy downloading and searching would probably not be difficult. I personally don't care either way. I'm happy with the mailing list. But I know of many people that do prefer web forums, and they seem to be perceived as a lower barrier to entry, even if that isn't actually true. I would probably read both if both existed. Kurt ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
On 21/09/06, Misha Aizatulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My concern about introducing a web forum would be that it is yet another place I have to search every time I need information (besides the haskell report, compiler docs and tracker, 2 wikis and the mailing lists :) So let's have a single unified search box. This is what was done on wordpress.org -- a single glorified interface searched the wiki, support forums and bug tracker. Everything's currently hosted by the umbrella domain name haskell.org, so all the information's at least theoretically in the same place, so getting the various tools interoperating with one another shouldn't be impossible. +1 for the introduction of forums. -- -David House, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
Kurt Hutchinson wrote: > Let those interested in a web forum set one > up and run it. Those interested in email can ignore the web forum. My concern about introducing a web forum would be that it is yet another place I have to search every time I need information (besides the haskell report, compiler docs and tracker, 2 wikis and the mailing lists :) So setting up a web forum would only be good if it can do something a mailing list cannot do. Following things were mentioned before: - ease of starting new topics. Maybe. I personally end up searching through all topics in forums anyway, because people often tend to post in a "wrong" topic :) Christian Neumann before mentioned that mailman might support topics as well. Also IMHO the current division of mailing lists (general, café, libraries, etc.) is exactly right for organizing and separating information. - searchability. I wouldn't agree - I can download the whole contents of a mailing list from gmane and search it in my mail client - goes way faster than in a forum. - ease of access. But preventing spam would probably require subscription just as for a mailing list. Any more advantages of a forum? Cheers, Misha ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
Hallo, On 9/21/06, Bill Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have only recently started accessing some web fora, but I've noticed that some of those "powered by phpBB" are vulnerable to spamming, whereas the news groups seem to be less so. For example, the "python-forum" has nearly lost it's "General" forum to spammers. Maybe the experts know better engines, better ways to set up a forum, or better ways to administer them after they're up, but it is a concern. I only hope this mailing list will continue. I can't stand the slowness/spams/avatar/size of web fora. -- -alex http://www.ventonegro.org/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
I have only recently started accessing some web fora, but I've noticed that some of those "powered by phpBB" are vulnerable to spamming, whereas the news groups seem to be less so. For example, the "python-forum" has nearly lost it's "General" forum to spammers. Maybe the experts know better engines, better ways to set up a forum, or better ways to administer them after they're up, but it is a concern. -- Bill Wood ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
On 9/21/06, Gour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, why the two cannot co-exist and let users decide which one to use? Gentoo community is nice example of it. I was just about to ask the same thing. Clearly, some prefer email and some prefer web forums. This is undoubtably true of new Haskell users with questions, as well. Let those interested in a web forum set one up and run it. Those interested in email can ignore the web forum. The Perl community has a similar setup with the popular Perlmonks web forum, and their hundreds of mailing lists. There are many users who read and post on both, and many who do not. I believe Bulat was just trying to find out if anyone else would like to help set one up, not suggesting that it replace the mailing lists. Kurt ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell web forum
On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 04:55 -0400, Albert Lai wrote: > As requested, I continue here the thread on the proposal for a web forum. > > You will soon enough find out what I think of web forums. [snip] I don't understand one thing: it looks like web-forums should exclude mailing lists and vice versa, but Bulat just wrote: "...we need now to create web forum." ?? So, why the two cannot co-exist and let users decide which one to use? Gentoo community is nice example of it. Sincerely, Gour signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
