[HCP-Users] Details regarding the Words-in-Noise NIH test in HCP subjects

2019-04-11 Thread Robert Becker

Dear Jennifer,

one of our students has some more detailed questions about the 
Words-in-noise test used in the HCP data set. There were some issues for 
him in getting accepted to the mailing list, so here I forward you his 
email - thanks in advance!


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Dear Dr. Elam,

Thank you for your reply to Robert’s question and for the description of 
the NIH Toolbox Words-in-Noise Test (WIN) you provided.


I would be extremely grateful if you could provide a few extra 
clarifications.



In the S1200 release reference manual (updated April 2018) in Page 201 
is written: “Hearing, or audition, is assessed using the NIH Toolbox 
Words-in-Noise Test. Note: HCP has used two versions of the NIH Toolbox 
WIN test (V1 and V2). In V1 the audio output was through a sound card 
and equalizer that is no longer supported by NIH Toolbox and in V2 the 
audio output goes straight through the headphone jack worn by the 
participant. HCP switched from V1 to V2 WIN on January 23, 2015, so all 
Q1-S500 Subjects were administered V1 and some/most S900+ Subjects were 
administered V2.”


I assume that the description of the task you provided in response to 
Robert’s question (“the score for the better ear is provided in the 
Computed Score column”) refers to v2, whereas v1 Computed Score 
represents the score for the speaker-presented version of the test, in 
agreement with what can be read here: 
https://wiki.humanconnectome.org/display/PublicData/HCP+Data+Release+Updates%3A+Known+Issues+and+Planned+fixes.


Is the interpretation above correct? Was the test twice as long for v2 
subjects? Are the same or different words presented to each ear (v2)?


More importantly, is there any way to have a list of subjects tested 
with either version (or the day participants were tested, given that the 
‘switch day’ from v1 to v2 is known)? I am personally interested only in 
the MEG participants, but since this could interest people working with 
other subsets of participants, in case this information is not yet 
available, it may be worth adding a new variable indicating WIN test 
version in the ConnectomeDB spreadsheets. I don’t know whether this 
could help the tracing back the ID of participants tested with the two 
versions of the test, but it is written in the Wiki post linked above 
that v2 scores were initially entered as ‘-99’ (or not entered at all) 
and were subsequently fixed with the rerelease of the 7T HCP functional 
data in April 2018.


Finally, in the Wiki page it is mentioned that the “NIH Toolbox has 
verified that the v1 and v2 WIN scoring has been normed to be directly 
comparable”. Is it possible to have more details on how the two measures 
were rendered directly comparable?


Thank you in advance for your help and best regards,

Thomas Houweling,

PhD candidate at the Neurolinguistics Lab,

Psychologisches Institut,

University of Zuerich,CH.


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Re: [HCP-Users] Correct interpretation of NIH battery test 'Words-in-Noise' in HCP subjects

2018-03-02 Thread Robert Becker

Hi, Jennifer,

That's great, thanks for the clarification!


Best,
Robert

Am 01/03/2018 um 18:26 schrieb Elam, Jennifer:


Hi Robert,

Thank you for pointing us to this problem. The HCP Words in Noise 
score is indeed the NIH Toolbox Words in Noise (WIN) Test computed 
score, rather than the Toolbox Hearing Threshold Test that was 
erroneously used for the description in the Data Dictionary. We will 
fix the data dictionary with the upcoming data release of the 
corrected 7T fMRI data slated to occur within the month.



Here's the full description for the Words in Noise measure from the 
NIH Toolbox Interpretation Guide from the 2012 version we used for HCP:



NIH Toolbox Words-in-Noise Test (WIN)Description:
This test measures a person’s ability to recognize single words 
presented amid varying levels of background noise. It measures how 
much difficulty a person might have hearing in a noisy environment. A 
recorded voice instructs the participant to listen to and then repeat 
words. The task becomes increasingly difficult as the background noise 
gets louder, thus reducing the signal-to-noise ratio. The test is 
recommended for participants ages 6-85 and takes approximately six 
minutes to administer.
Scoring Process: The examiner scores the participant’s responses as 
correct or incorrect, and a total raw score (out of a maximum of 35 
points) is calculated by the software for each ear. A percent correct 
is calculated, which is then translated into a threshold score for 
each ear, in decibels of signal-to-noise ratio (dB S/N), using a 
look-up table (see Appendix C). Alternatively, the following equation 
can be used to calculate the S/N score based on the raw score, in lieu 
of the look-up table. For each ear:WIN_Score = 26-0.8*WIN_NCorrect
Thus, the best score that can be attained (35 correct) for either ear 
is -2.0 dB S/N, and the worst score (0correct) is 26.0 dB S/N. Lower 
scores, therefore, are indicative of better performance on this test. 
In the Toolbox Assessment Scores output file, the score for the better 
ear is provided in the Computed Score column.
Interpretation: Assessment of the ability to understand speech in a 
noisy background yields an ecologically valid measure of hearing 
because a substantial portion of communication in the real world 
occurs in less-than-ideal environments. Moreover, speech perception in 
noise is often difficult to predict from pure-tone thresholds or from 
speech perception in quiet settings. The NIH Toolbox version of the 
Words-in-Noise Test is newly released, so the interpretive guidelines 
provided are preliminary and may need further adjustment as future 
studies are conducted.As noted above, the range of possible scores for 
each ear is -2.0 to 26.0 dB S/N, with lower scores indicative of 
better performance and, conversely, higher scores potentially 
suggestive of hearing difficulties. For score interpretation with ages 
13 and above, a cutoff of 10 dB S/N is recommended for the Toolbox 
version of this measure. Participants with a score higher than this 
cutoff should follow up with a hearing professional, specifically an 
otolaryngologist, who would then refer to an audiologist as needed. 
Users should note that the cutoff suggested here is slightly higher 
than other published versions of this test because other versions were 
conducted in quieter environments.


Again, sorry for the oversight. Let me know if you have further questions.

Best,
Jenn


Jennifer Elam, Ph.D.
Scientific Outreach, Human Connectome Project
Washington University School of Medicine
Department of Neuroscience, Box 8108
660 South Euclid Avenue
St. Louis, MO 63110
314-362-9387
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'Words-in-Noise' in HCP subjects


Dear all,

we have trouble understanding what the above test actually tests in 
the context of HCP data. Despite its suggestive name, this test is 
described (in the updated HCP Data Dictionary and its previous 
version), as a pure-tone thresholding test that seems to have nothing 
to do with understanding words embedded in noise or any similar scenario.


The description in the Data Dictionary is pretty clear and excludes 
any such interpretation, it is just that the naming seems confusing 
and also, there actually is a NIH toolbox test called 
'"Words-in-Noise" that does test how subjects comprehend one-syllable 
words.



Can anyone comment on the exact nature of this test and help us out?

Thanks for your help!

Robert
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Robert Becker, PhD
Universität Zürich
Psychologisches Institut
Binzmühlestrasse 14
8050 Zürich

Tel: +41

[HCP-Users] Correct interpretation of NIH battery test 'Words-in-Noise' in HCP subjects

2018-03-01 Thread Robert Becker

Dear all,

we have trouble understanding what the above test actually tests in the 
context of HCP data. Despite its suggestive name, this test is described 
(in the updated HCP Data Dictionary and its previous version), as a 
pure-tone thresholding test that seems to have nothing to do with 
understanding words embedded in noise or any similar scenario.


The description in the Data Dictionary is pretty clear and excludes any 
such interpretation, it is just that the naming seems confusing and 
also, there actually is a NIH toolbox test called '"Words-in-Noise" that 
does test how subjects comprehend one-syllable words.



Can anyone comment on the exact nature of this test and help us out?

Thanks for your help!

Robert

--
Robert Becker, PhD
Universität Zürich
Psychologisches Institut
Binzmühlestrasse 14
8050 Zürich

Tel: +41 44 63 57234
em...@robertbecker.info


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