Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

[Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco]

Thank you for the Divre ha-yamim reference, Cliff. It is found as a pair in 
Rashi<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.sefaria.org/Rashi_on_Genesis.25.22.1?vhe=Pentateuch_with_Rashi*27s_commentary_by_M._Rosenbaum_and_A.M._Silbermann,_1929-1934=he__;JQ!!IBzWLUs!XVoalnD7Xz6QsjrEjfJoveh6CiKJPfFNJny1ut72Brqmrms5-W2JvdQHmJRv9tw4W8MEIeImoOz9xBqX$>
 on Be-reshit 25:22, which is vocalized with the kamats.

I have added the pair to the Fixed expressions wiki 
page<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/7836006/Fixed*20Expressions*view=page__;JSM!!KGKeukY!xkNdqe21duB4EfKxRKfsnUOWgUafKSdmwFQl7t9jlIZ7d-9tYIHjgx7-DSep_DdmpfiGd8e_wfBkRu4IewKKsQ$
 >.

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

Marlene, The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in 
Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization) The name Ever does 
appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5. 13, vocalized with a 
kamets, just as
Marlene,
The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and 
Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization)
The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5.13, 
vocalized with a kamets, just as you surmised.
Shanah tovah u-metukah,
Clifford Miller

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Hi Jasmin, Quick question: Shem ve-Ever? Shem va-Ever? I found 2 records on LC 
that have it both ways—naturally! Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah? 
Thanks, חג שמח MRS Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman 
Library
Hi Jasmin,
Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?
Shem va-Ever?
I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!
Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?
Thanks, חג שמח
MRS

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
Room 301
646 592 4276

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Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly 
romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the 
current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields 
and other
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!

The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut 
le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current Ben yetsivut 
la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other fields were 
corrected/added.

For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your 
local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

(All three words, יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was 
notified separately)

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

[Cliff Miller via Heb-naco]

Marlene,
The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and 
Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization)
The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5.13, 
vocalized with a kamets, just as you surmised.
Shanah tovah u-metukah,
Clifford Miller

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Hi Jasmin, Quick question: Shem ve-Ever? Shem va-Ever? I found 2 records on LC 
that have it both ways—naturally! Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah? 
Thanks, חג שמח MRS Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman 
Library
Hi Jasmin,
Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?
Shem va-Ever?
I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!
Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?
Thanks, חג שמח
MRS

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
Room 301
646 592 4276

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**External Email**
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly 
romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the 
current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields 
and other
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!

The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut 
le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current Ben yetsivut 
la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other fields were 
corrected/added.

For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your 
local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

(All three words, יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was 
notified separately)

Thanks, Jasmin

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Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: שם ועבר

[Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco]

Hi Jasmin,
Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?
Shem va-Ever?
I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!
Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?
Thanks, חג שמח
MRS

Marlene Schiffman
Metadata and Services Department
Gottesman Library
Yeshiva University
500 West 185th Street
New York, N.Y. 10033

Gottesman Library
Room 301
646 592 4276

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**External Email**
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly 
romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the 
current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields 
and other
Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!

The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut 
le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current Ben yetsivut 
la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other fields were 
corrected/added.

For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your 
local records.

Please let me know if there are any questions.

(All three words, יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was 
notified separately)

Thanks, Jasmin

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