Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
As a systems person, Having consistent data in the 264 $c is very important. Chronograms in the 264 are messy. Unpaired non-roman 500's are not displayed (at least in Sierra) they can be paired to a blank 500 to get the system to display them to the public. On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 7:19 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : > [Publisher/Printer], ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735] > > > > I am not sure we need a 500 field > > > > > > > > יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר > > טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 > > > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library > <http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681> > and German Language and Literature Librarian > 305 G Thompson Memorial Library > The Ohio State University Libraries > 1858 Neil Ave > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1858+Neil+Ave?entry=gmail&source=g>. > Mall > Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > Mobile: (614) 805-9954 > E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com > > *Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature*: > http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > > > *Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals* > http://go.osu.edu/jpress > > > > > > > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM > *To:* DCRM Users' Group ; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script > > > > Dear rare book catalogers, > > > > I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew > book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: > > > > We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging > documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am > emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. > > > > For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the > following manner: > > > > *500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב* > > > > *500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo > yeshev* > > > > I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book > catalogers. > > > > Sincerely, Heidi Lerner > > > > Heidi G. Lerner > > Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica > > Metadata Dept. > > Stanford University Libraries > > Stanford, CA 94305-6004 > > ph: 650-725-9953 > > fax: 650-725-1120 > > e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu > ___ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
I get 535 = 1774 or 1775. If your transliterating, there should not be a period after the A of Al. Barry On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 19:19 Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], > > ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735] > > > > > > I am not sure we need a 500 field > > > > > > > > > > > > יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר > > > טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 > > > > > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > > > Head, Hebraica & Jewish > > Studies Library <http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681> > > > and German Language and Literature Librarian > > > 305 G Thompson Memorial Library > > > The Ohio State University Libraries > > > 1858 Neil Ave > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1858+Neil+Ave?entry=gmail&source=g>. > Mall > > > Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > > > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > > > Mobile: (614) 805-9954 > > > E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com > > > > > > *Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature*: > > > http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > > > > > > *Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals* > > > http://go.osu.edu/jpress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM > > > *To:* DCRM Users' Group ; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > > > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > rare book catalogers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew > book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging > documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource > > so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew > book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the > following manner: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *500 Date of publication derived from chronogram:ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo > yeshev* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book > catalogers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, Heidi Lerner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heidi G. Lerner > > > Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica > > > Metadata Dept. > > > Stanford University Libraries > > > Stanford, CA 94305-6004 > > > ph: 650-725-9953 > > > fax: 650-725-1120 > > > e-mail: > > ler...@stanford.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Heb-naco mailing list > > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
It depends on which rules you follow. There are differences betwen DCRM, RDA and A2 In DCRMB chronograms are optional but do can go in a note. RDA LC-PCC PS LC-PCC PS for 2.8.6.4[http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png]<http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2&target=rda2-6858#rda2-6858> ALTERNATIVE LC practice/PCC practice for Alternative: Record a supplied date in numerals instead of giving the chronogram Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu From: Galron, Joseph Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:19 PM To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel ; DCRM Users' Group Subject: RE: questions on chronograms in Hebrew script I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735] I am not sure we need a 500 field יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library<http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681> and German Language and Literature Librarian 305 G Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 Mobile: (614) 805-9954 E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu> or jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals http://go.osu.edu/jpress From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM To: DCRM Users' Group ; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
You are right, 535 = תקל"ה 1774 or 1775 Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Barry Dov Walfish Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:29:49 PM To: Galron, Joseph ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Cc: DCRM Users' Group ; Heidi G Lerner Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script I get 535 = 1774 or 1775. If your transliterating, there should not be a period after the A of Al. Barry On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 19:19 Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>> wrote: I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735] I am not sure we need a 500 field יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library<http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681> and German Language and Literature Librarian 305 G Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.google.com/maps/search/1858*Neil*Ave?entry=gmail&source=g__;Kys!!KGKeukY!k0C1zIb5bbwgB6vDW7dB4WO4xSiTk2vNC3FYsn92ku4U7EzGHwckBMmiJhEBgxfp$>. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 Mobile: (614) 805-9954 E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu> or jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals http://go.osu.edu/jpress From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM To: DCRM Users' Group mailto:dcr...@lib.byu.edu>>; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב [495=1734 or 1735] I am not sure we need a 500 field יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library<http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681> and German Language and Literature Librarian 305 G Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 Mobile: (614) 805-9954 E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu<mailto:galro...@osu.edu> or jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals http://go.osu.edu/jpress From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM To: DCRM Users' Group ; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
Hi Heidi, I’m by no means a rare book cataloger but I have taken two Rare Book School classes on cataloging. I checked the Descriptive Cataloging of Rare Materials (Books) 4D2.2 for some guidance. It wasn’t real helpful. I personally wouldn’t add a parallel Romanized field for the 500. It’ll be interesting to hear what our rare book colleagues say. Caroline From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:16 PM To: Heidi G Lerner ; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Hi Heidi, Thank you. May I ask, in the 264 – if all we have is the chronogram – do we use only the Gregorian date in both the 264 and its 880 field? Thanks, Haim From: Heb-naco mailto:heb-naco-bounces+hgot=loc@lists.osu.edu>> On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM To: DCRM Users' Group mailto:dcr...@lib.byu.edu>>; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
Hi Heidi, Thank you. May I ask, in the 264 – if all we have is the chronogram – do we use only the Gregorian date in both the 264 and its 880 field? Thanks, Haim From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM To: DCRM Users' Group ; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu> ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script
Dear rare book catalogers, I am for the first time providing a chronogram for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script: We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a chronogram from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded in Bibliography of the Hebrew book. For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner: 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב 500 Date of publication derived from chronogram: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev I would greatly appreciate any feedback from experienced rare book catalogers. Sincerely, Heidi Lerner Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ___ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
