Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in Unix kernel. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional Unix-like system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
Hi, I downloaded the first Hurd CD from a mirror and installed it (following the installation guide). It worked fine (after some 'fights' with grub - I was using lilo...). I could run the native-install script as mentioned in the guide. However, yesterday, when trying to boot the Hurd, it hanged after the messages: Floppy driver(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a post - 1991 82077 I suppose (as someone suggested in the #hurd) that the problem is in the floppy disk controller. I can try to compile the mach without the floppy (I have installed the Hurd in a toshiba laptop with a pluggeable floppy, which is never used...) but I that is very strange as it worked before... Does anyone have any other suggestion? Thanks. -- Luís Henriques ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in Un*x. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional Un*x system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in Un*x. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional Un*x system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in Un*x. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional Un*x system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
Patrick Strasser wrote: > Congratulations. This is a welcome as nice and usable I would like to > see when attending a mailing list. Mailman (used for managing bug-hurd and help-hurd) supports ``List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message'' available in the General options of the list. Probably this is the place where this text should be put. Or at least a hyperlink. Regards -- Ognyan Kulev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "\"Programmer\"" ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
Neal H Walfield wrote: > Welcome to the GNU Hurd > === > > Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the > begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. Congratulations. This is a welcome as nice and usable I would like to see when attending a mailing list. But someone subscribing now will get this letter in a month. We probably loose a lot of interested/motivated people as they can't get enough information to get into the Hurd. It would be nice to send this Welcome to every new subscriber. Imagine a interested programmer willing to contribute something ASAP getting all this information in very first minute. Who is the right person to contact for getting it immediatly to new subscribers? listmaster at debian? mailman-owner at gnu? > - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at > http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html This link is dead now. I assume people should have a look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/buildd/index.php Patrick -- Engineers motto: cheap, good, fast: choose any two Patrick Strasser Student of Telematik, Techn. University Graz, Austria ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd.; Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the GNU Hurd === Welcome to the GNU Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the GNU Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount an NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about Debian GNU/Hurd ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is an HCL: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/thug/gnumach_hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All discussion pertaining to Debian GNU/Hurd: both user and porting issues. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General GNU/Hurd user questions. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development and bug reports. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Porting the Hurd to the L4 microkernel. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the GNU/Hurd webpages. To subscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with `subscribe' in the body. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: How can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/tasks, http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/~checkout~/hurd/hurd/TODO, - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
Applied thanks. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
> - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Write documentation. > - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look > at > - http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html + http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/buildd/index.php > - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: > http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks > and /TODO > - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of > all: > Help us help others. > > Happy Hacking. > > ___ > Help-hurd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd = James Morrison University of Waterloo Computer Science - Digital Hardware 2A co-op http://hurd.dyndns.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the Hurd === Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount a NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ You can find out about ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is a HCL: http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/hurd/hurd-hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General Hurd questions. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the hurd webpages at http://hurd.gnu.org. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd (especially porting issues). Subscribe in the usual fashion. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: how can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks and /TODO - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the Hurd === Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount a NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- Installation Guides can be found at the following locations: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ http://www.pick.ucam.org/~mcv21/hurd.html You can find out about ISO images at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-cd They come with a modified version of the Debian boot floppies making installation relatively simple. GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is a HCL: http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/hurd/hurd-hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General Hurd questions. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the hurd webpages at http://hurd.gnu.org. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd (especially porting issues). Subscribe in the usual fashion. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: how can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks and /TODO - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the Hurd === Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount a NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- The most up to date installation guide is available at: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is a HCL: http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/hurd/hurd-hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General Hurd questions. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the hurd webpages at http://hurd.gnu.org. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd (especially porting issues). Subscribe in the usual fashion. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: how can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks and /TODO - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
RE: Hurd Orientation
personally I find the term newbie to be derogatory. anyone with the smarts and guts to try their hand at hacking the hurd deserves my repect. that is why i refer to them as new developers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Patrick Strasser Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:50 PM To: Neal H Walfield Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hurd Orientation Neal H Walfield wrote: > > Welcome to the Hurd > === > > Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining > of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new > users. Would it make sense to send this Orientation Paper to every fresh subscribed list member? It would make a good, friendly impression to newbies. Would it be a big problem to incorporate this in the list server subscription mechanism? Would it be helpful to set up a list of projects with some status info and names/adresses of supporters, to post few weeks. People willing to port/code/hack would have a handy overview, and people who look for the situation at the Hurd would see if/that something is going on here. You'r welcome to comment. Patrick ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
I think everyone who is interested in making the informational resources more helpful ought to get on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and concentrate on unifying the various efforts into a cohesive presence on the web and the mailing lists. There have been a lot of folks pitching in, but we can certainly use someone to declare themselves web czar and start kicking ass as to organization of all the information that's floating around. If people get active on this, we can give you all the resources you need, i.e. hook you up with admin access for the web sites and the help-hurd mailman admin so you can set up things like the new-subscriber and periodic automatic postings. (I can't speak to how the debian lists are handled, but all this stuff is easy for me to do on the gnu.org end.) ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Re: Hurd Orientation
Neal H Walfield wrote: > > Welcome to the Hurd > === > > Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining > of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] > mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new > users. Would it make sense to send this Orientation Paper to every fresh subscribed list member? It would make a good, friendly impression to newbies. Would it be a big problem to incorporate this in the list server subscription mechanism? Would it be helpful to set up a list of projects with some status info and names/adresses of supporters, to post few weeks. People willing to port/code/hack would have a handy overview, and people who look for the situation at the Hurd would see if/that something is going on here. You'r welcome to comment. Patrick ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the Hurd === Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount a NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- The most up to date installation guide is available at: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is a HCL: http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/hurd/hurd-hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General Hurd questions. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the hurd webpages at http://hurd.gnu.org. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd (especially porting issues). Subscribe in the usual fashion. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: how can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks and /TODO - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
Hurd Orientation
Welcome to the Hurd === Welcome to the Hurd. This email is automatically sent at the begining of each month to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists. This message is intended for a quick orientation to new users. What is the Hurd? - The Hurd is GNU's Multiserver Microkernel operating system. It is designed with the intention of fixing many of the flaws in *nix. What are these flaws? The arbitrary limits that it imposes on the user: there is not a whole lot that a user can do without special privileges. Consider an NFS filesystem. Only root can mount this on a traditional *nix system. Why is this? It is not that NFS accesses anything dangerous, at least, it is no more dangerous than ftp. However, as a portion of the NFS code lives in the kernel, this presents a potential security problem. In the Hurd, a user can transparently mount a NFS filesystem directly into their home directory without affecting the security of the system as a whole. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Getting Started --- The most up to date installation guide is available at: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-installation-guide/ GNU Mach uses the drivers found in the Linux 2.0.x kernel. Note, there is no support for PCMCIA. Here is a HCL: http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/hacking/hurd/hurd-hardware.html Mailing Lists: - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hurd and Mach development. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: General Hurd questions. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maintenance of the hurd webpages at http://hurd.gnu.org. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]: All things related to Debian GNU/Hurd (especially porting issues). Subscribe in the usual fashion. The Hurd FAQ: http://web.walfield.org/papers/hurd-faq/ Contributions - A common question is: how can I contribute? There are many tasks that need to be done: - Help update the web pages at hurd.gnu.org. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Write documentation. - Port applications. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/turtle/group/Debian/index.html - Write code. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-devel-tasks, /tasks and /TODO - Send feedback. This is, of course, the most important task of all: Help us help others. Happy Hacking. ___ Help-hurd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-hurd
