[Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

2009-03-18 Thread Dr. med. Frauke Neff
Dear Histonetters,
I'm supposed to do a noradrenaline ihc on rat brains that have been snap frozen
and afterwards glutaraldehyd fixed. While the morphology is okay in the
test-tissue we used to establish the protocol, it was very poor in the tissue
of the trial animals.
It appeared mooth eaten and disrupted.

I assume the brains were thawed and refrosted due to moving the samples between
several cities. Does anyone know a method /a tip how I can save some proper
morphology?

I checked the archive and found sucrose as cryoprotectant, but this is supposed
to do it while the tissue is frozen or is it possible to use it while the
tissue thaws?

Thank you all in advance for your patience and help,


Frauke


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2009-03-18 Thread Th Ooi
Hi, I just began to work with the methy methacrylate embedding plastic section. 
I am facing the difficulities to attach the sample on the glass slide.
 
I have tried using Haupts adhesive coated slides and also the bond-rite slide 
to attach my 5micron sample. I am doing normal hematoxylin and eosin staining. 
The section always detach from the glass slide towards the end of the staining. 
 
I need to use the concentrated Haupts adhesive coated slide to reduce the 
chance for the section from lift up from the glass slide. However, I observed 
the high and dirty background after the staining.
 
I noticed that some users are using Bond-rite slides to attach their samples. I 
tried this. However, the sections always lifted up towards the end of the 
staining. I am not too sure whether is my technique that giving me this kind of 
problem. I prewarmed the Bond-rite slides and put my sections in the 55C 
waterbath. Then I fished the section using the Bond-rite slide and lay it down 
on 55C heater. And finally in the oven incubator for more than 18 hours at 55C 
before staining...
 
I would appreciate if there is any suggestion that can help to attach the 
section on the glass slide. 
 
Thank you very much!
 
Yours sincerely,
Ooi
Singapore



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RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

2009-03-18 Thread Swain, Frances L
Usually the cryoprotection is carried out after the specimens are fixed and 
before they are frozen.  If you have a sample you can spare you might try 
making up some 20% Sucrose placing the frozen sample in it. putting it in the 
refrigerator and letting it stay in the 20% sucrose until it drops to the 
bottom of the container.  You might have to change the 20% Sucrose a couple of 
times as you know sucrose can grow bacteria easily.  When the specimen has 
dropped to the bottom of the container, remove it, rinse in a couple of changes 
of distilled water and quick freeze the sample.  Try cutting and staining the 
sample and see if the morphology is good if it is then you can do all of your 
samples to correct the problem.  There should be no thawing between removal of 
the sample from the storage to the cryostat. 
Hope this helps
Frances Swain


From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. med. Frauke Neff 
[ne...@staff.uni-marburg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:47 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

Dear Histonetters,
I'm supposed to do a noradrenaline ihc on rat brains that have been snap frozen
and afterwards glutaraldehyd fixed. While the morphology is okay in the
test-tissue we used to establish the protocol, it was very poor in the tissue
of the trial animals.
It appeared mooth eaten and disrupted.

I assume the brains were thawed and refrosted due to moving the samples between
several cities. Does anyone know a method /a tip how I can save some proper
morphology?

I checked the archive and found sucrose as cryoprotectant, but this is supposed
to do it while the tissue is frozen or is it possible to use it while the
tissue thaws?

Thank you all in advance for your patience and help,


Frauke


--
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AG Neurologische Therapieforschung
Neurologie
Philipps-Universität Marburg
Rudolph-Bultmann Str. 8
35039 Marburg
06421/5866304






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RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

2009-03-18 Thread Swain, Frances L
You are so correct, I forgot you do not rinse the sucrose out you blot it and 
then freeze.  Sorry about that. I do not cut frozen sections very often and I 
forget.

Frances L. Swain HT(ASCP) A. A. S.
Special Procedures Technician
Department of Orthopaedic Surgery
Center for Orthopaedic Research
Barton Research Building 2R28
4301 West Markham Street
Little Rock AR 72205
(501) 686-8739 PHONE
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From: anh2...@med.cornell.edu [mailto:anh2...@med.cornell.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:41 AM
To: Swain, Frances L; Dr. med. Frauke Neff; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

Good advice indeed. However, I don't recommend you rinse in water after 
sucrose. Sort of defeats the purpose. Instead if you need to remove excess 
sucrose rinse in either 50/50 sucrose/OCT or just OCT.

Also, glutaraldehyde fixation usually renders tissue difficult to immunostain. 
You have to consider whether your fixation is appropriate for your 
antigen/antibody.


-Original Message-
From: Swain, Frances L swainfranc...@uams.edu

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:12:45 
To: Dr. med. Frauke Neffne...@staff.uni-marburg.de; 
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.eduhistonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?


Usually the cryoprotection is carried out after the specimens are fixed and 
before they are frozen.  If you have a sample you can spare you might try 
making up some 20% Sucrose placing the frozen sample in it. putting it in the 
refrigerator and letting it stay in the 20% sucrose until it drops to the 
bottom of the container.  You might have to change the 20% Sucrose a couple of 
times as you know sucrose can grow bacteria easily.  When the specimen has 
dropped to the bottom of the container, remove it, rinse in a couple of changes 
of distilled water and quick freeze the sample.  Try cutting and staining the 
sample and see if the morphology is good if it is then you can do all of your 
samples to correct the problem.  There should be no thawing between removal of 
the sample from the storage to the cryostat. 
Hope this helps
Frances Swain


From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. med. Frauke Neff 
[ne...@staff.uni-marburg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:47 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

Dear Histonetters,
I'm supposed to do a noradrenaline ihc on rat brains that have been snap frozen
and afterwards glutaraldehyd fixed. While the morphology is okay in the
test-tissue we used to establish the protocol, it was very poor in the tissue
of the trial animals.
It appeared mooth eaten and disrupted.

I assume the brains were thawed and refrosted due to moving the samples between
several cities. Does anyone know a method /a tip how I can save some proper
morphology?

I checked the archive and found sucrose as cryoprotectant, but this is supposed
to do it while the tissue is frozen or is it possible to use it while the
tissue thaws?

Thank you all in advance for your patience and help,


Frauke


--
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AG Neurologische Therapieforschung
Neurologie
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Rudolph-Bultmann Str. 8
35039 Marburg
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Re: [Histonet] Cutting fresh-frozen brains from 1 week old rat pups

2009-03-18 Thread Merced Leiker
Definitely do at least that one sucrose cryopreservation step you 
mentioned.  Even step up to it in 10% and 20% sucrose.



--On Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:04 PM +1100 Adam Galle 
adam.ga...@student.unsw.edu.au wrote:



Hi all,
Currently I am working with brains from 7 day old rat pups, that undergo
an hypoxic-ischemic injury (Levine/Vannucci technique). These brains are
unfixed, frozen in isopentane and cut at 20um on a croystat. These brains
are not cutting very well compared to an adult brain (potenially due to
unfinished myelination?), they are very 'crumbly' for want of a better
term and always have cracks or generally poor preservation of morphology.
I have tried all the standard tricks of different temperatures, section
thickness and knife angle to no avail. I am going to perfuse fix my next
cohort of animals with PFA and then a 30% sucrose step to see if that
helps, but I was hoping that someone out there would have some tips on
cutting these immature brains.

Thanks,
Adam.


Adam Galle,

Neuropharmacology and Brain Injury Lab
Department of Pharmacology
School of Medical Sciences
UNSW Sydney



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RE: [Histonet] (no subject)

2009-03-18 Thread Jack Ratliff

Ooi,

 

As you know, working with MMA is tricky enough to have to worry about losing 
sections during staining. Unfortunately, I cannot speak with experience in 
using Bond-rite slides, but maybe there is someone monitoring this message 
thread that can provide helpful information on that topic. However, I can speak 
to the experience of using Haupts coated slides.

 

First, it is not uncommon to observe hematoxylin background staining from 
Haupts coated slides. Second, you are correct in that it takes just the right 
concentration of Haupts solution in order to retain section adherence to the 
slide. Given these two observations, allow me to provide a few suggestions for 
working with Haupts coated slides.

 

Before I prepare my slides, it is necessary to prepare a working dilution of 
Haupts solution. Whether or not you use in house prepared or commercially 
prepared concentrate, you should typically look to a ratio of 1:1 with 
liquified concentrate to 50% EtOH. This is a pretty standard dilution that 
works for me. You definitely do not want to go higher than a 50% concentration 
of Haupts, but you could try tweaking it a little within the 40-50% range. I 
would suggest that maybe you do a short experiment using different dilutions of 
the Haupts concentrate so that you may zero in on that one dilution that will 
minimize background staining and optimize section adherence. You may not have 
perfection with the hematoxylin background or aniline blue in a trichrome stain 
(I usually substitue aniline blue with SF light green yellowish), but you may 
find something that you can live with for the HE.

 

Next, you might then try to work with the hematoxylin staining a bit. 
Specifically, maybe you can tweak the hematoxylin staining time by keeping it 
standard (I use hematoxylin 2 from Richard Allen and typically stain for 3 
minutes) and/or increasing it a bit so that you can extend the acid clarifier 
step (I clarify or decolorize for 20 seconds) a little longer to help wash out 
or decolorize the background staining. Obviously you do not want to compromise 
your nuclear detail, but this should help a bit.

 

Please feel free to ask any additional questions as needed.

 

Jack Ratliff

 

 

 

 

 
 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:33:01 -0700
 From: ooitingh...@yahoo.com
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: [Histonet] (no subject)
 
 Hi, I just began to work with the methy methacrylate embedding plastic 
 section. I am facing the difficulities to attach the sample on the glass 
 slide.
  
 I have tried using Haupts adhesive coated slides and also the bond-rite slide 
 to attach my 5micron sample. I am doing normal hematoxylin and eosin 
 staining. The section always detach from the glass slide towards the end of 
 the staining. 
  
 I need to use the concentrated Haupts adhesive coated slide to reduce the 
 chance for the section from lift up from the glass slide. However, I observed 
 the high and dirty background after the staining.
  
 I noticed that some users are using Bond-rite slides to attach their samples. 
 I tried this. However, the sections always lifted up towards the end of the 
 staining. I am not too sure whether is my technique that giving me this kind 
 of problem. I prewarmed the Bond-rite slides and put my sections in the 55C 
 waterbath. Then I fished the section using the Bond-rite slide and lay it 
 down on 55C heater. And finally in the oven incubator for more than 18 hours 
 at 55C before staining...
  
 I would appreciate if there is any suggestion that can help to attach the 
 section on the glass slide. 
  
 Thank you very much!
  
 Yours sincerely,
 Ooi
 Singapore
 
 
 
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RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

2009-03-18 Thread Merced Leiker
I agree with Frances and anh2006. Cryospreservation is important for brains 
especially and must be done after fixation, before freezing, and the 
glutaraldeyde can irreversibly mask antigens.


Merced

--On Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:49 AM -0500 Swain, Frances L 
swainfranc...@uams.edu wrote:



You are so correct, I forgot you do not rinse the sucrose out you blot it
and then freeze.  Sorry about that. I do not cut frozen sections very
often and I forget.

Frances L. Swain HT(ASCP) A. A. S.
Special Procedures Technician
Department of Orthopaedic Surgery
Center for Orthopaedic Research
Barton Research Building 2R28
4301 West Markham Street
Little Rock AR 72205
(501) 686-8739 PHONE
(501) 686-8987 FAX
swainfranc...@uams.edu email
-Original Message-
From: anh2...@med.cornell.edu [mailto:anh2...@med.cornell.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:41 AM
To: Swain, Frances L; Dr. med. Frauke Neff;
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] cryoprotection
possible?

Good advice indeed. However, I don't recommend you rinse in water after
sucrose. Sort of defeats the purpose. Instead if you need to remove
excess sucrose rinse in either 50/50 sucrose/OCT or just OCT.

Also, glutaraldehyde fixation usually renders tissue difficult to
immunostain. You have to consider whether your fixation is appropriate
for your antigen/antibody.


-Original Message-
From: Swain, Frances L swainfranc...@uams.edu

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:12:45
To: Dr. med. Frauke Neffne...@staff.uni-marburg.de;
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.eduhistonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?


Usually the cryoprotection is carried out after the specimens are fixed
and before they are frozen.  If you have a sample you can spare you might
try making up some 20% Sucrose placing the frozen sample in it. putting
it in the refrigerator and letting it stay in the 20% sucrose until it
drops to the bottom of the container.  You might have to change the 20%
Sucrose a couple of times as you know sucrose can grow bacteria easily.
When the specimen has dropped to the bottom of the container, remove it,
rinse in a couple of changes of distilled water and quick freeze the
sample.  Try cutting and staining the sample and see if the morphology is
good if it is then you can do all of your samples to correct the problem.
There should be no thawing between removal of the sample from the storage
to the cryostat.  Hope this helps
Frances Swain


From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. med. Frauke
Neff [ne...@staff.uni-marburg.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:47 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

Dear Histonetters,
I'm supposed to do a noradrenaline ihc on rat brains that have been snap
frozen and afterwards glutaraldehyd fixed. While the morphology is okay
in the test-tissue we used to establish the protocol, it was very poor
in the tissue of the trial animals.
It appeared mooth eaten and disrupted.

I assume the brains were thawed and refrosted due to moving the samples
between several cities. Does anyone know a method /a tip how I can save
some proper morphology?

I checked the archive and found sucrose as cryoprotectant, but this is
supposed to do it while the tissue is frozen or is it possible to use it
while the tissue thaws?

Thank you all in advance for your patience and help,


Frauke


--
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AG Neurologische Therapieforschung
Neurologie
Philipps-Universität Marburg
Rudolph-Bultmann Str. 8
35039 Marburg
06421/5866304






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Re: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

2009-03-18 Thread nefff
We tried nearly everything for the noradreanline IHC and did't get any  
staining. After several calls with the techs of the company, they told  
me I've to do a glutaraldehyd fixation, every other fixation will wash  
the noradrenaline out of the tissue (even the cryosection did't give a  
stain).
Using adrenal glands as positive control, I got a weak positive stain  
using the GA-Fixation. But I'm not happy with this, because the  
samples I got are FFPE or snap frozen. So what to do to proceed?  
Because I don't know any way back through the formalin fixation, I  
decided to go on with the snap frozen tissue.


I would be very happy, if someone would tell me: Hey, thats all  
bullshit, you just need the antibody XXX of the company YYY and  
verything will work fine with this noradrenaline IHC


Until this happens, I try with the snap-frozen material, keep my  
fingers cross, throw pennies in every fontaine, rub oil-lamps and lion  
noses


You see, I'm desperately needing help,

Frauke


Zitat von anh2...@med.cornell.edu:

Good advice indeed. However, I don't recommend you rinse in water   
after sucrose. Sort of defeats the purpose. Instead if you need to   
remove excess sucrose rinse in either 50/50 sucrose/OCT or just OCT.


Also, glutaraldehyde fixation usually renders tissue difficult to   
immunostain. You have to consider whether your fixation is   
appropriate for your antigen/antibody.



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From: Swain, Frances L swainfranc...@uams.edu

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:12:45
To: Dr. med. Frauke Neffne...@staff.uni-marburg.de;   
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.eduhistonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: RE: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?


Usually the cryoprotection is carried out after the specimens are   
fixed and before they are frozen.  If you have a sample you can   
spare you might try making up some 20% Sucrose placing the frozen   
sample in it. putting it in the refrigerator and letting it stay in   
the 20% sucrose until it drops to the bottom of the container.  You   
might have to change the 20% Sucrose a couple of times as you know   
sucrose can grow bacteria easily.  When the specimen has dropped to   
the bottom of the container, remove it, rinse in a couple of changes  
 of distilled water and quick freeze the sample.  Try cutting and   
staining the sample and see if the morphology is good if it is then   
you can do all of your samples to correct the problem.  There should  
 be no thawing between removal of the sample from the storage to the  
 cryostat.

Hope this helps
Frances Swain


From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu   
[histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. med.   
Frauke Neff [ne...@staff.uni-marburg.de]

Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:47 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] cryoprotection possible?

Dear Histonetters,
I'm supposed to do a noradrenaline ihc on rat brains that have been   
snap frozen

and afterwards glutaraldehyd fixed. While the morphology is okay in the
test-tissue we used to establish the protocol, it was very poor in  
 the tissue

of the trial animals.
It appeared mooth eaten and disrupted.

I assume the brains were thawed and refrosted due to moving the   
samples between

several cities. Does anyone know a method /a tip how I can save some proper
morphology?

I checked the archive and found sucrose as cryoprotectant, but this   
is supposed

to do it while the tissue is frozen or is it possible to use it while the
tissue thaws?

Thank you all in advance for your patience and help,


Frauke


--
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AG Neurologische Therapieforschung
Neurologie
Philipps-Universität Marburg
Rudolph-Bultmann Str. 8
35039 Marburg
06421/5866304






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[Histonet] FW: CD86 - mouse

2009-03-18 Thread Bruijntjes, J.P. (Joost)
Hi histonetters

 

Is really nobody working with cd86 on mouse tissues? 

 

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[Histonet] RE: CLIA vs CAP grossing

2009-03-18 Thread Terri Braud
CAP has deemed status from CLIA, so the CAP definition should be accepted.

Terri L. Braud, HT(ASCP)
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Laboratory
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:16:22 -0600
From: rick.garnh...@memorialhealthsystem.com
Subject: [Histonet] Grossing

CAP is OK with their guidelines ( BUT is CLIA on line with the 
Processing (Low Complexity?) vs Grossing (High Complexity?). If CLIA is not on
board with processing (dumb naming) being low complexity and grossing being 
higher complexity your lab may be in violation of CLIA Guidelines.

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[Histonet] Mesothelioma control tissue

2009-03-18 Thread Cheri Miller
Hi Histonetter's, I am in need of a mesothelioma control block for my IHC.
Is there anyone that would be willing to share? I might have tissue that you
may need as well. Let me know. Thanks, Cheri

 

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Physicians Laboratory,P.C.

Omaha, Ne. 

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[Histonet] Snap freezing muscle tissue for metabolic testing

2009-03-18 Thread Foshey, Annette
Fellow histonetters:

The ordering physicians/neurologists are saying that the metabolic testing is 
not accurate because of the way the muscle tissue is being handled currently. 
Does anyone have specific references that would be helpful in the argument for 
implementing snap freezing muscle tissue in the OR verses the reference lab 
when the reference lab is less than 30 minutes from the OR?

Thanks in advance,
Annette Foshey, HT (ASCP)
Charge person in Histology
Children's Hospital of Wisconsin
414-266-6580Fax 414-266-2779
afos...@chw.org


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[Histonet] equipment purchasing

2009-03-18 Thread Patty Dunlop
Hello,

Our histo lab is currently looking into buying one or all of the following:

cassette labeler, automated stainer (that can also accommodate a few special
stains), and automated coverslipper (that uses minimal xylene or no xylene).

Can anyone recommend good brands and models that they like as well as what
vendors might have good prices?  We are also looking into getting the
stainer and coverslipper either used or refurbished to cut down on costs.
Our lab is small and we do only about 40-50 slides per day on average.  We
would prefer to have the equipment to be as small as possible.

Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks,
Patty
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[Histonet] Paraffin Block triming

2009-03-18 Thread Scott
Hi,
Does anybody use a paraffin block dewaxer ?  If so does it save any time, 
how well does it work?

Thanks,

Scott Hendricksen  HT (ASCP)
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Re: [Histonet] Paraffin Block trimming

2009-03-18 Thread Jennifer MacDonald
We have two in our student lab.  It is safer, quicker, and there are a lot 
less paraffin shavings to clean up.
Jennifer MacDonald




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Hi,
Does anybody use a paraffin block dewaxer ?  If so does it save any 
time, how well does it work?

Thanks,

Scott Hendricksen  HT (ASCP)
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