RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
So most admin foljs do not know abt us until someone in their family had a bx and needed a dx thsn all of a sudden we needed to jump thru hoops and they were our best rriend Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Bernice Frederick b-freder...@northwestern.edu Date:03/24/2015 3:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) j...@cdc.gov, Carl Nituda cnit...@nvdermatology.com, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu, Sue suetp...@comcast.net, Timothy Morken timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology They don't realize the theory we have to learn and those questions we have to answer like What's the best fixative for a pheochromocytoma? You tell them and they say the pathologist says B-5, to which I said, well they wouldn't pass out registry exam with that answer.Grrr. Or the difference between a Mucin, Pas and Alcian Blue. The cytopath who asked did really need to know. As well I vaguely recall a question back on my HTL exam asking why a pathologist would request a mucin stain Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:14 PM To: Carl Nituda; Marcum, Pamela A; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I know someone personally that works in a hospital and it hast Histotechnologist by his nameand he never took the HTL exam. He said his hospital bases it on experience From: Carl Nituda [cnit...@nvdermatology.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID); Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I personally think that a person just can't call themselves a Histotechnologist unless they went to school, training, and then pass the BOC by ASCP. Anyone, I mean anyone can perform a job with proper training in any field but that doesn't mean they should have that title until they pass certification. For hiring managers, I encourage you to hire certified candidates as priority and call them a Histotechnician, or Histotechnologist based on their certification. If a person is doing Histology work and is uncertified, encourage them to be certified and just don't give them a title. Imagine a world when people doing the job is actually certified like other professions, then you will get the respect from your colleagues that you deserve. Changes for the future of the profession starts with good leaders. Have a good and blessed week everyone. Carl Nituda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:53 AM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH
RE: [Histonet] Tol Blue
On occasion you might lose the metachromatic staining with T. Blue if you if you dehydrate in alcohol. We normally air dry, place in xylene and coverslip. You will never run into a problem with the staining if you do that. Liz Elizabeth A. Chlipala, BS, HTL(ASCP)QIHC Premier Laboratory, LLC PO Box 18592 Boulder, CO 80308 (303) 682-3949 office (303) 682-9060 fax (303) 881-0763 cell l...@premierlab.com www.premierlab.com March 10, 2014 is Histotechnology Professionals Day Ship to Address: Premier Laboratory, LLC 1567 Skyway Drive, Unit E Longmont, CO 80504 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:55 PM To: Kimberly Marshall Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Tol Blue Mast cells granules are metachromatic. What you see is the expected staining reaction. From: Kimberly Marshall kimbe...@animalreferencepathology.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 03/24/2015 02:20 PM Subject:[Histonet] Tol Blue Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ?Hello my fellow Histo Techs. Have a question I just know someone out there can answer for me. In canine tissue, we are having problems with the Tol Blue for mast cell. Am experiencing metachromasia, or the mast cells turning purple not blue. I have attempted to decrease time, or add time, but its not helping. My pathologist says he has had this issue before. So question is. Could it be the mast cell in a dog does not stain the same? Is there another stain that may work? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Histology/Lab Supervisor Toll Free 1-800-426-2099 Fax 801-584-5104 PO Box 17580 Salt Lake City, Utah 84107 www.animalreferencepathology.comhttp://www.animalreferencepathology.com/ Advancing the art and science of veterinary medicine [cid:image001.jpg@01CF8F87.A0BD4830] ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
As a pathologist I'd like to apologize for all the pathologists who have made comments like this.. forget trained monkeys and dogs, most (all?) pathologists cannot cut slides either, at least not slides they'd want to try to read. I know I can't. -Nancy Stedman -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Turner Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:26 PM To: Paula Sicurello; Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Timothy Morken; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I once worked with a Pathologist who said she was in a group meeting of other pathologists when one of them blurted out that a trained monkey could cut slides. My pathologist, having had the opportunity to review some cases from the offender's laboratory, promptly replied Yes, and with the quality of your slides it looks like you did just that. She shut down the other pathologist really quickly, and as far as I know, we never received another case to review from him. My pathologist was not about to let that kind of arrogance stand. She was one of the best bosses I ever had! Mark Turner, Ph.D., HT(ASCP)QIHC Manager, Histology/IHC -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Paula Sicurello Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:47 PM To: Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A; Timothy Morken Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I've had more than one pathologist tell me a monkey could do my job. Though one of them said it with a smile and added a very highly skilled and well trained monkey, he was one of the few who knew better. How many of us monkeys have trained the whining and complaining residents how to do things correctly? Paula On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Michael Ann Jones mjo...@metropath.com wrote: OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet - - Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Tol Blue
Try the method at: http://stainsfile.info/StainsFile/stain/cell/aldtolblue.htm Bryan Llewellyn Kimberly Marshall wrote: ?Hello my fellow Histo Techs. Have a question I just know someone out there can answer for me. In canine tissue, we are having problems with the Tol Blue for mast cell. Am experiencing metachromasia, or the mast cells turning purple not blue. I have attempted to decrease time, or add time, but its not helping. My pathologist says he has had this issue before. So question is. Could it be the mast cell in a dog does not stain the same? Is there another stain that may work? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Histology/Lab Supervisor Toll Free 1-800-426-2099 Fax 801-584-5104 PO Box 17580 Salt Lake City, Utah 84107 www.animalreferencepathology.comhttp://www.animalreferencepathology.com/ Advancing the art and science of veterinary medicine [cid:image001.jpg@01CF8F87.A0BD4830] ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Thanks Dr. Stedman! Good to hear! Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 3:22 PM, Stedman, Nancy nancy.sted...@buschgardens.com wrote: As a pathologist I'd like to apologize for all the pathologists who have made comments like this.. forget trained monkeys and dogs, most (all?) pathologists cannot cut slides either, at least not slides they'd want to try to read. I know I can't. -Nancy Stedman -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Turner Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:26 PM To: Paula Sicurello; Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Timothy Morken; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I once worked with a Pathologist who said she was in a group meeting of other pathologists when one of them blurted out that a trained monkey could cut slides. My pathologist, having had the opportunity to review some cases from the offender's laboratory, promptly replied Yes, and with the quality of your slides it looks like you did just that. She shut down the other pathologist really quickly, and as far as I know, we never received another case to review from him. My pathologist was not about to let that kind of arrogance stand. She was one of the best bosses I ever had! Mark Turner, Ph.D., HT(ASCP)QIHC Manager, Histology/IHC -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Paula Sicurello Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:47 PM To: Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A; Timothy Morken Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I've had more than one pathologist tell me a monkey could do my job. Though one of them said it with a smile and added a very highly skilled and well trained monkey, he was one of the few who knew better. How many of us monkeys have trained the whining and complaining residents how to do things correctly? Paula On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Michael Ann Jones mjo...@metropath.com wrote: OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet - - Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Tol Blue
The mast cells are meant to turn purple. It’s a metachromatic stain. So the tol blue stains the tissue blue and the mast cells purple. Mast cell granules Purple Acid Mucosubstance Purple Nuclei Blue Mast cells are rich in heparin. This allows them to be stained via acid mucopolysaccharide and metachromatic staining techniques. Churukian and Schenk developed this metachromatic dye-technique to reduce the excessive background staining that is common with metachromatic dye techniques. Linda Prasad | Senior Scientist | Histopathology t: (02) 9845 3306 | f: (02) 9845 3318 | e: linda.pra...@health.nsw.gov.au | w: www.schn.health.nsw.gov.au Cnr Hawkesbury Road and Hainsworth Street, Westmead, NSW Australia Locked Bag 4001, Westmead 2145, NSW Australia ♲ Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Bryan Llewellyn Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2015 9:13 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Tol Blue Try the method at: http://stainsfile.info/StainsFile/stain/cell/aldtolblue.htm Bryan Llewellyn Kimberly Marshall wrote: ?Hello my fellow Histo Techs. Have a question I just know someone out there can answer for me. In canine tissue, we are having problems with the Tol Blue for mast cell. Am experiencing metachromasia, or the mast cells turning purple not blue. I have attempted to decrease time, or add time, but its not helping. My pathologist says he has had this issue before. So question is. Could it be the mast cell in a dog does not stain the same? Is there another stain that may work? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Histology/Lab Supervisor Toll Free 1-800-426-2099 Fax 801-584-5104 PO Box 17580 Salt Lake City, Utah 84107 www.animalreferencepathology.comhttp://www.animalreferencepathology.com/ Advancing the art and science of veterinary medicine [cid:image001.jpg@01CF8F87.A0BD4830] ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet * This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message and any attachments are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of The Sydney Children's Hospitals Network. This note also confirms that this email message has been virus scanned and although no computer viruses were detected, The Sydney Childrens Hospital's Network accepts no liability for any consequential damage resulting from email containing computer viruses. * ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
This is a great example of what can be accomplished as a HistoPROFESSIONAL. I commend you Patti and the bottom line is take responsibility for your own career path/ladder. Two things as HISTOPROFESSIONALS we can contribute, continuing education and to pay it forward. My personal experience has been rewarding because of two contributors to my learning curve, my mentors and my dementors. I encountered pathologisits who mentored me, but the ones that did not value me did not deter me. Until we value ourselves and address unhealthy situations we will never move forward. Sometimes that means leaving our comfort zone or the convenient location. And in my experience sometimes being pushed out of the nest. I obtained my first AS through distance learning with an award from the NSH. My second associate culminated with travel abroad in Cusco, Peru. I have a ridiculous amount of semester hours, but no BSyet. Bottom line is VALUE your own worth, continue your education, educate others and if you are in a hamster situation jump off that wheel! I'm sure I will get feedback the grass is not always greener, but how about this idiom why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. It's not even Friday yet~ Wanda K. Simons, HT (ASCP) Artist Scientist for Histotechnology ---Original Message--- From: Patti McDavid pmcda...@mhg.com To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Sent: Mar 24 '15 16:11 Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Our laboratory decided when CLIA 88 came out, that we would require an associate's degree in science and a MLT or HT certification as a minimum to work in histology. The pay is the same for histology as in clinical departments. I strongly feel that was a good choice for our laboratory and hospital. I started with our facility as a MLT working in histology. Histology was a wonderful career path and did not impede my climb up the management ladder. Patti L. McDavid, Med, MLT/HTL (ASCP) Clinical Laboratory Manager 4500 Thirteenth Street P.O. Box 1810 Gulfport, MS 39502-1810 Phone 228-575-2340 Fax 228-865-3325 pmcda...@mhg.commailto:pmcda...@mhg.com [http://www.gulfportmemorial.com/images/14MH81-BESTE_SIG-RANKED-A-BESTD2.GIF] http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/area/ms This email may contain information covered under the Mississippi Privacy Law (Miss. Code Ann. § 75-24-29), the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. § 552a) and/or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (Pub. L. No. 104-191) and its accompanying regulations. Healthcare information is personal and sensitive and must be protected in accordance with these provisions. If this email contains healthcare information, it is being disclosed to you only after appropriate authorization from the patient or under circumstances that do not require patient authorization. You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner. Re-disclosure without additional patient authorization, unless otherwise permitted by law, is prohibited. **PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL** If you are not the intended recipient of this email, be advised that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then destroy/delete all copies of the original message and any attachment(s) thereto. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I agree Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Carl Nituda cnit...@nvdermatology.com Date:03/24/2015 2:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu, 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)' j...@cdc.gov, Sue suetp...@comcast.net, Timothy Morken timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I personally think that a person just can't call themselves a Histotechnologist unless they went to school, training, and then pass the BOC by ASCP. Anyone, I mean anyone can perform a job with proper training in any field but that doesn't mean they should have that title until they pass certification. For hiring managers, I encourage you to hire certified candidates as priority and call them a Histotechnician, or Histotechnologist based on their certification. If a person is doing Histology work and is uncertified, encourage them to be certified and just don't give them a title. Imagine a world when people doing the job is actually certified like other professions, then you will get the respect from your colleagues that you deserve. Changes for the future of the profession starts with good leaders. Have a good and blessed week everyone. Carl Nituda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:53 AM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Tol Blue
Mast cells granules are metachromatic. What you see is the expected staining reaction. From: Kimberly Marshall kimbe...@animalreferencepathology.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: 03/24/2015 02:20 PM Subject:[Histonet] Tol Blue Sent by:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ?Hello my fellow Histo Techs. Have a question I just know someone out there can answer for me. In canine tissue, we are having problems with the Tol Blue for mast cell. Am experiencing metachromasia, or the mast cells turning purple not blue. I have attempted to decrease time, or add time, but its not helping. My pathologist says he has had this issue before. So question is. Could it be the mast cell in a dog does not stain the same? Is there another stain that may work? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Histology/Lab Supervisor Toll Free 1-800-426-2099 Fax 801-584-5104 PO Box 17580 Salt Lake City, Utah 84107 www.animalreferencepathology.comhttp://www.animalreferencepathology.com/ Advancing the art and science of veterinary medicine [cid:image001.jpg@01CF8F87.A0BD4830] ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Jennifer, we require a BA/BS degree for all Histotechnologist positions. However, in our 4 step categories Level 1 does not require certification, just the degree and the requirement that they get the certification within a year. Advancement to level 2 to 4 requires an HT or HTL certification (Level 1 = entry level bench tech, Level 2 is bench tech, level 3 is senior tech, level 4 is Lead tech). Supervisor requires and HTL. Considering that we already require a BA/BS degree for all levels, the fact a person has a HT or HTL is not going to matter much for levels 1 thru 4, only for supervisor level. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 7:52 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology In what areas would a facility hire an HTL over an HT? Is there a need for more HTL programs? 4 Thank you, ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] lab dishwasher
Nothing will give you the results you will obtain by hand cleaning you SS glassware! René J. On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:35 AM, Bitting, Angela K. akbitt...@geisinger.edu wrote: Can anyone recommend a good dishwasher for cleaning my special stains glassware? IMPORTANT WARNING: The information in this message (and the documents attached to it, if any) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message (and the documents attached to it, if any), destroy any hard copies you may have created and notify me immediately by replying to this email. Thank you. Geisinger Health System utilizes an encryption process to safeguard Protected Health Information and other confidential data contained in external e-mail messages. If email is encrypted, the recipient will receive an e-mail instructing them to sign on to the Geisinger Health System Secure E-mail Message Center to retrieve the encrypted e-mail.___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
So just out of curiosity is the pay on the same level as that of a Med Tech with a BS? Does the BA/BS have to be in Histotechnology or is the BA/BS followed by one of the on-line certificate programs? Tom Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) AP Section Head LRGHealthcare -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:47 AM To: Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Jennifer, we require a BA/BS degree for all Histotechnologist positions. However, in our 4 step categories Level 1 does not require certification, just the degree and the requirement that they get the certification within a year. Advancement to level 2 to 4 requires an HT or HTL certification (Level 1 = entry level bench tech, Level 2 is bench tech, level 3 is senior tech, level 4 is Lead tech). Supervisor requires and HTL. Considering that we already require a BA/BS degree for all levels, the fact a person has a HT or HTL is not going to matter much for levels 1 thru 4, only for supervisor level. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 7:52 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology In what areas would a facility hire an HTL over an HT? Is there a need for more HTL programs? 4 Thank you, ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet THIS MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL. This e-mail message and any attachments are proprietary and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not print,distribute, or copy this message or any attachments. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of LRGHealthcare. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] measuring cells
I apologize for misplacing the original posting about this. Measuring the number of cells in sections is very tricky and varies considerably with the thickness of the section and the size of the cells. In general the thicker the section the more accurate the count as there are more complete cells rather than just profiles. The problem is that in order to get a really accurate count you need sections that are so thick that resolution suffers. Abercrombie in 1946 published papers that took into account the size of cells and the thickness of the sections and depending on these applied a correction factor that improved the accuracy of the count. His papers are worth reading. The link is below for those who are interested. http://www.nervenet.org/papers/Abercrombie46.html Of course an interesting approach would be to cut several sections, separate the cells and then use a Coulter counter... like this is going to happen!! Barry ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Pam, true enough. Indeed, for the annual NSH survey my only comment was that NSH has been ineffective in convincing pathology departments of the value of an HT or HTL certification - to the point that many are now questioning its value at all. Ours is one of few institutions that requires certification for advancement and our medical directors have been pushing for higher quality staff in order to raise the quality of our lab. We went through a pay revision about 7 years ago because the biotech companies and other large medical institutions were sucking up any candidates that poked their head up. We are now on par but still have to fight for any good candidates. But as long as histotechs are on the job trained (probably 99.9% now, as in the past), and invisible to high school and college students, the pay is going nowhere. It is still quite possible to get into the field with no experience . One of our techs got into histology by answering a Craig's list ad placed by a slide mill. He is very good tech, and has a degree in cellular and molecular biology, but that just goes to show how random our source pool is. His education is good, his histology training is random. And another quality candidate just randomly poked his head in my office a few months ago saying he had been doing some histology work in a research lab and was really excited to find out it could be a full time permanent job. We hired him but he is starting in accessioning and will work his way into histology. This is how most people get into histology. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center Tim -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:13 AM To: Sue Cc: Histonet; Morken, Timothy; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology It is the only truth I deal with here. We are, like TJH, University medical school and they only care about the degree, four year is best. They (administration and/or the pathologists) have never attempted to learn what we have or how we do it and I doubt they will ever want to learn about Histology. When I started many years ago the residents had to come through Histology for two to six weeks depending on the site. Now we get 10 minutes to explain what they need to do to get good, not even great slides and stains. They simply are not interested and these will be the people future Histologists have to work for and depend on for pay. We are in trouble and it is getting deeper. I have the same question I have had for years: Where is NSH and how are they helping us move forward? I have seen no movement to help get us raised to Laboratory Professionals. I have only heard as long as we don't have degrees for our training we will not be recoginzied. I have the degrees and still have to fight for salary and my rasies while if I were an MT it would be a given. Sorry this is a sore subject and I fight yearly to get bare minimum raises for our people. We did not get raises at all for two years and that was throughout the labs and hosptial. Two percent raises are very close to an insult for us. (We are talking angstrom close; not inches.) Pam - Original Message - From: Sue suetp...@comcast.net To: Timothy Morken timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu Cc: Histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:59:20 AM Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Tom, no, Histo does start lower than med techs, but consider that a med tech has specialty training from the time they decide to go that route while most histotechs have general biology degrees and nothing but on the job training. Even with a certification a Histotech is not at the same level as a med tech simply due to the unstructured nature of their self-education and training. In 30+ years I have met only a handful of people who got any sort of degrees in Histotechnology, so waiting for those people to come along is not going to work for hiring. Most of our staff got their certification while working here and did it on their own. Only one has a degree in Histotechnology, and a BS at that!. A starting salary here is $36/hr and it is a $3 to $4 increase per level. The lab staff is unionized, and we compete with many large service labs (ie Kaiser) and many, many large biotech companies for the same pool of techs. Plus, it is expensive to live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We only recently (a few years ago) started this requirement in order to get our staff to a higher level. We still have staff without BA/BS degrees. The degree just needs to meet the requirements for certification so does not need to be a specialty degree. Tim -Original Message- From: Podawiltz, Thomas [mailto:tpodawi...@lrgh.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:06 AM To: Morken, Timothy; Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology So just out of curiosity is the pay on the same level as that of a Med Tech with a BS? Does the BA/BS have to be in Histotechnology or is the BA/BS followed by one of the on-line certificate programs? Tom Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) AP Section Head LRGHealthcare -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:47 AM To: Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Jennifer, we require a BA/BS degree for all Histotechnologist positions. However, in our 4 step categories Level 1 does not require certification, just the degree and the requirement that they get the certification within a year. Advancement to level 2 to 4 requires an HT or HTL certification (Level 1 = entry level bench tech, Level 2 is bench tech, level 3 is senior tech, level 4 is Lead tech). Supervisor requires and HTL. Considering that we already require a BA/BS degree for all levels, the fact a person has a HT or HTL is not going to matter much for levels 1 thru 4, only for supervisor level. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 7:52 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology In what areas would a facility hire an HTL over an HT? Is there a need for more HTL programs? 4 Thank you, ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet THIS MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL. This e-mail message and any attachments are proprietary and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not print,distribute, or copy this message or any attachments. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of LRGHealthcare. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
In most cases it means nothing and if you are in Histology and the administration considers Histology a non-professional laboratory personnel area the pay is lower. Sorry I have fought this for 5.5 years here and the difference between an HT and HTL is the degree only not the registry. If it is $0.10 an hour it is good. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Podawiltz, Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:06 AM To: Morken, Timothy; Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology So just out of curiosity is the pay on the same level as that of a Med Tech with a BS? Does the BA/BS have to be in Histotechnology or is the BA/BS followed by one of the on-line certificate programs? Tom Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) AP Section Head LRGHealthcare -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:47 AM To: Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Jennifer, we require a BA/BS degree for all Histotechnologist positions. However, in our 4 step categories Level 1 does not require certification, just the degree and the requirement that they get the certification within a year. Advancement to level 2 to 4 requires an HT or HTL certification (Level 1 = entry level bench tech, Level 2 is bench tech, level 3 is senior tech, level 4 is Lead tech). Supervisor requires and HTL. Considering that we already require a BA/BS degree for all levels, the fact a person has a HT or HTL is not going to matter much for levels 1 thru 4, only for supervisor level. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 7:52 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology In what areas would a facility hire an HTL over an HT? Is there a need for more HTL programs? 4 Thank you, ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet THIS MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL. This e-mail message and any attachments are proprietary and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not print,distribute, or copy this message or any attachments. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of LRGHealthcare. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] RE: Leica Staining Racks
Tasha, That is a little nuts! We have the same stainer, just ordered some replacement racks ourselves. We only paid about $50 per rack. Catherine Simonson, B.S., HT (ASCP) ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Is your lab in need of a new microscope?
We have several Olympus BX40 and BX41 compound microscopes in stock! and offer a 1 year warranty on all scopes. All microscopes are fully refurbished and are priced at 40% off list. The scopes are serviced by an Authorized Olympus Service Tech before sold. Please Email or call with questions. -- Scott Munday Munday Scientific Instrument Service 90 Misha Lane Sanford, NC 27330 Phone: 919-775-5596 Fax: 919-776-9566 ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I know someone personally that works in a hospital and it hast Histotechnologist by his nameand he never took the HTL exam. He said his hospital bases it on experience From: Carl Nituda [cnit...@nvdermatology.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID); Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I personally think that a person just can't call themselves a Histotechnologist unless they went to school, training, and then pass the BOC by ASCP. Anyone, I mean anyone can perform a job with proper training in any field but that doesn't mean they should have that title until they pass certification. For hiring managers, I encourage you to hire certified candidates as priority and call them a Histotechnician, or Histotechnologist based on their certification. If a person is doing Histology work and is uncertified, encourage them to be certified and just don't give them a title. Imagine a world when people doing the job is actually certified like other professions, then you will get the respect from your colleagues that you deserve. Changes for the future of the profession starts with good leaders. Have a good and blessed week everyone. Carl Nituda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:53 AM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I've had more than one pathologist tell me a monkey could do my job. Though one of them said it with a smile and added a very highly skilled and well trained monkey, he was one of the few who knew better. How many of us monkeys have trained the whining and complaining residents how to do things correctly? Paula On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Michael Ann Jones mjo...@metropath.com wrote: OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I personally think that a person just can't call themselves a Histotechnologist unless they went to school, training, and then pass the BOC by ASCP. Anyone, I mean anyone can perform a job with proper training in any field but that doesn't mean they should have that title until they pass certification. For hiring managers, I encourage you to hire certified candidates as priority and call them a Histotechnician, or Histotechnologist based on their certification. If a person is doing Histology work and is uncertified, encourage them to be certified and just don't give them a title. Imagine a world when people doing the job is actually certified like other professions, then you will get the respect from your colleagues that you deserve. Changes for the future of the profession starts with good leaders. Have a good and blessed week everyone. Carl Nituda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:53 AM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Employment Opportunity Atlanta Area
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Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I agree and I am questioning NSH and what it is doing for us. I support them mainly because they are creating some education routes for people who need CEUs. I prefer to spent my time with state and regional societies in Histology as they are attempting to find ways to attract more people to Histology. We all have that fight and finding ways to be recognized it not easy. I lived in San Franciso during the early 80s and it is a difficult market with hisgh goals. I am glad it is improving the status the Histologist there by being a corwded market where you can ask for better trained people and hold them to a path to improve even more. Pam - Original Message - From: Timothy Morken timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu To: Pam Marcum mucra...@comcast.net, Sue suetp...@comcast.net Cc: Histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:35:30 PM Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Pam, true enough. Indeed, for the annual NSH survey my only comment was that NSH has been ineffective in convincing pathology departments of the value of an HT or HTL certification - to the point that many are now questioning its value at all. Ours is one of few institutions that requires certification for advancement and our medical directors have been pushing for higher quality staff in order to raise the quality of our lab. We went through a pay revision about 7 years ago because the biotech companies and other large medical institutions were sucking up any candidates that poked their head up. We are now on par but still have to fight for any good candidates. But as long as histotechs are on the job trained (probably 99.9% now, as in the past), and invisible to high school and college students, the pay is going nowhere. It is still quite possible to get into the field with no experience . One of our techs got into histology by answering a Craig's list ad placed by a slide mill. He is very good tech, and has a degree in cellular and molecular biology, but that just goes to show how random our source pool is. His education is good, his histology training is random. And another quality candidate just randomly poked his head in my office a few months ago saying he had been doing some histology work in a research lab and was really excited to find out it could be a full time permanent job. We hired him but he is starting in accessioning and will work his way into histology. This is how most people get into histology. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center Tim -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Pam Marcum Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:13 AM To: Sue Cc: Histonet; Morken, Timothy; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology It is the only truth I deal with here. We are, like TJH, University medical school and they only care about the degree, four year is best. They (administration and/or the pathologists) have never attempted to learn what we have or how we do it and I doubt they will ever want to learn about Histology. When I started many years ago the residents had to come through Histology for two to six weeks depending on the site. Now we get 10 minutes to explain what they need to do to get good, not even great slides and stains. They simply are not interested and these will be the people future Histologists have to work for and depend on for pay. We are in trouble and it is getting deeper. I have the same question I have had for years: Where is NSH and how are they helping us move forward? I have seen no movement to help get us raised to Laboratory Professionals. I have only heard as long as we don't have degrees for our training we will not be recoginzied. I have the degrees and still have to fight for salary and my rasies while if I were an MT it would be a given. Sorry this is a sore subject and I fight yearly to get bare minimum raises for our people. We did not get raises at all for two years and that was throughout the labs and hosptial. Two percent raises are very close to an insult for us. (We are talking angstrom close; not inches.) Pam - Original Message - From: Sue suetp...@comcast.net To: Timothy Morken timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu Cc: Histonet histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu, Jennifer MacDonald jmacdon...@mtsac.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:59:20 AM Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
They don't realize the theory we have to learn and those questions we have to answer like What's the best fixative for a pheochromocytoma? You tell them and they say the pathologist says B-5, to which I said, well they wouldn't pass out registry exam with that answer.Grrr. Or the difference between a Mucin, Pas and Alcian Blue. The cytopath who asked did really need to know. As well I vaguely recall a question back on my HTL exam asking why a pathologist would request a mucin stain Bernice Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP) Senior Research Tech Pathology Core Facility Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center Northwestern University 710 N Fairbanks Court Olson 8-421 Chicago,IL 60611 312-503-3723 b-freder...@northwestern.edu -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:14 PM To: Carl Nituda; Marcum, Pamela A; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I know someone personally that works in a hospital and it hast Histotechnologist by his nameand he never took the HTL exam. He said his hospital bases it on experience From: Carl Nituda [cnit...@nvdermatology.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:32 PM To: Marcum, Pamela A; Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID); Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I personally think that a person just can't call themselves a Histotechnologist unless they went to school, training, and then pass the BOC by ASCP. Anyone, I mean anyone can perform a job with proper training in any field but that doesn't mean they should have that title until they pass certification. For hiring managers, I encourage you to hire certified candidates as priority and call them a Histotechnician, or Histotechnologist based on their certification. If a person is doing Histology work and is uncertified, encourage them to be certified and just don't give them a title. Imagine a world when people doing the job is actually certified like other professions, then you will get the respect from your colleagues that you deserve. Changes for the future of the profession starts with good leaders. Have a good and blessed week everyone. Carl Nituda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:53 AM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] lab dishwasher
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RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Can we clone her? -Original Message- From: Mark Turner [mailto:mtur...@csilaboratories.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:26 PM To: Paula Sicurello; Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A; Timothy Morken Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I once worked with a Pathologist who said she was in a group meeting of other pathologists when one of them blurted out that a trained monkey could cut slides. My pathologist, having had the opportunity to review some cases from the offender's laboratory, promptly replied Yes, and with the quality of your slides it looks like you did just that. She shut down the other pathologist really quickly, and as far as I know, we never received another case to review from him. My pathologist was not about to let that kind of arrogance stand. She was one of the best bosses I ever had! Mark Turner, Ph.D., HT(ASCP)QIHC Manager, Histology/IHC -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Paula Sicurello Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:47 PM To: Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A; Timothy Morken Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I've had more than one pathologist tell me a monkey could do my job. Though one of them said it with a smile and added a very highly skilled and well trained monkey, he was one of the few who knew better. How many of us monkeys have trained the whining and complaining residents how to do things correctly? Paula On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Michael Ann Jones mjo...@metropath.com wrote: OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet - - Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[Histonet] Measuring cell length and surface area
Hello Histonetter: A student working with me and I have completed a little project characterizing plant mutations whose expression is manifested in the size/shape of the cells. Typically, how many cells per specimen are measured? I was planning to digitally measure a sample of cells in each specimen (e.g. all cells located along the central axis and then the cells in one cross section approximately perpendicular to the first axis. Any constructive feedback, blayjo...@gmail.com , welcomed. Gratefully, Jorge Jorge A. Santiago-Blay, PhD blaypublishers.com 1. Positive experiences for authors of papers published in *LEB* http://blaypublishers.com/testimonials/ 2. Free examples of papers published in *LEB*: http://blaypublishers.com/category/previous-issues/. 3. *Guidelines for Authors* and page charges of *LEB*: http://blaypublishers.com/archives/ *.* 4. Want to subscribe to *LEB*? http://blaypublishers.com/subscriptions/ http://blayjorge.wordpress.com/ http://paleobiology.si.edu/staff/individuals/santiagoblay.cfm ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Our laboratory decided when CLIA 88 came out, that we would require an associate's degree in science and a MLT or HT certification as a minimum to work in histology. The pay is the same for histology as in clinical departments. I strongly feel that was a good choice for our laboratory and hospital. I started with our facility as a MLT working in histology. Histology was a wonderful career path and did not impede my climb up the management ladder. Patti L. McDavid, Med, MLT/HTL (ASCP) Clinical Laboratory Manager 4500 Thirteenth Street P.O. Box 1810 Gulfport, MS 39502-1810 Phone 228-575-2340 Fax 228-865-3325 pmcda...@mhg.commailto:pmcda...@mhg.com [http://www.gulfportmemorial.com/images/14MH81-BESTE_SIG-RANKED-A-BESTD2.GIF] http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/area/ms This email may contain information covered under the Mississippi Privacy Law (Miss. Code Ann. § 75-24-29), the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. § 552a) and/or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (Pub. L. No. 104-191) and its accompanying regulations. Healthcare information is personal and sensitive and must be protected in accordance with these provisions. If this email contains healthcare information, it is being disclosed to you only after appropriate authorization from the patient or under circumstances that do not require patient authorization. You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner. Re-disclosure without additional patient authorization, unless otherwise permitted by law, is prohibited. **PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL** If you are not the intended recipient of this email, be advised that any use, disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately by reply email and then destroy/delete all copies of the original message and any attachment(s) thereto. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
For what its worth, in my entire career, the pay has never been the same for an HTL with a bachelors and the same experience as any MT, and sometimes less than an MLT. I think maybe only once or twice I did get paid more ( like 5 cents) for having an HTL versus HT. Hospitals are horrible about that in general. Joelle Weaver MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC From: tpodawi...@lrgh.org To: timothy.mor...@ucsf.edu; jmacdon...@mtsac.edu; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 12:06:13 -0400 Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology CC: So just out of curiosity is the pay on the same level as that of a Med Tech with a BS? Does the BA/BS have to be in Histotechnology or is the BA/BS followed by one of the on-line certificate programs? Tom Tom Podawiltz HT (ASCP) AP Section Head LRGHealthcare -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Morken, Timothy Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:47 AM To: Jennifer MacDonald; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology Jennifer, we require a BA/BS degree for all Histotechnologist positions. However, in our 4 step categories Level 1 does not require certification, just the degree and the requirement that they get the certification within a year. Advancement to level 2 to 4 requires an HT or HTL certification (Level 1 = entry level bench tech, Level 2 is bench tech, level 3 is senior tech, level 4 is Lead tech). Supervisor requires and HTL. Considering that we already require a BA/BS degree for all levels, the fact a person has a HT or HTL is not going to matter much for levels 1 thru 4, only for supervisor level. Tim Morken Pathology Site Manager, Parnassus Supervisor, Electron Microscopy/Neuromuscular Special Studies Department of Pathology UC San Francisco Medical Center -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer MacDonald Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 7:52 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology In what areas would a facility hire an HTL over an HT? Is there a need for more HTL programs? 4 Thank you, ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet THIS MESSAGE IS CONFIDENTIAL. This e-mail message and any attachments are proprietary and confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not print,distribute, or copy this message or any attachments. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of LRGHealthcare. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Pneumatic Tube Delivery System
Dear Histonetters, For those facilities that have a pneumatic tube system in use, do any formalin fixed samples get delivered in this manner? The vast majority of our samples will not be, for obvious reasons. But there has been some discussion of combining bone marrow cores and aspirates and tubing them at the same time. The specimens will need to be physically separated of course because of the potential for damage of the aspirate/smear material due to exposure to formalin fumes. Have any of you crossed this bridge? I'd love to hear your experiences/concerns . . . Thanks, Brian D. Cooper, HT (ASCP)CM | Histology Supervisor Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine Children's Hospital Los Angeles 4650 Sunset Blvd MS#43- Los Angeles, CA 90027 Ph: 323.361.3357 Pager: 213-209-0184 bcoo...@chla.usc.edumailto:bcoo...@chla.usc.edu - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this original message. - ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
I once worked with a Pathologist who said she was in a group meeting of other pathologists when one of them blurted out that a trained monkey could cut slides. My pathologist, having had the opportunity to review some cases from the offender's laboratory, promptly replied Yes, and with the quality of your slides it looks like you did just that. She shut down the other pathologist really quickly, and as far as I know, we never received another case to review from him. My pathologist was not about to let that kind of arrogance stand. She was one of the best bosses I ever had! Mark Turner, Ph.D., HT(ASCP)QIHC Manager, Histology/IHC -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Paula Sicurello Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:47 PM To: Michael Ann Jones Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald; Marcum, Pamela A; Timothy Morken Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I've had more than one pathologist tell me a monkey could do my job. Though one of them said it with a smile and added a very highly skilled and well trained monkey, he was one of the few who knew better. How many of us monkeys have trained the whining and complaining residents how to do things correctly? Paula On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Michael Ann Jones mjo...@metropath.com wrote: OMG Pam~ our pathologist said the exact same thing to us when we started our Grossing training. Sheesh. . . Michael Ann On 3/24/15, 11:52 AM, Marcum, Pamela A pamar...@uams.edu wrote: That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet - - Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology
Fortunately times have changed. The person I replaced in the late 70's early 80's had been brought in from the hospital laundry and was trained. They were still pouring embedding molds then. She did a beautiful job at cutting and staining HE slides and 2 or 3 specials but that was all there was to do. This world has come a lot farther than those days of the 80's and 70's. We have grown into fully capable labs that don't have to send work out to the big reference centers to have tests done. I remember a class with Lee Luna when he said We have to excel and learn these immuno procedures or the MT's were going to take them away from us. We learned and they didn't! We may not be recognized at the level with MT's but we are slowly changing and getting there. At least now an associates is required and CEU's are required. I think that's progress. If you're looked down on in your present position move on! It's not worth it. Linda -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Marcum, Pamela A Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:53 PM To: 'Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID)'; Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology That was nicer than the pathologist who told me years ago, any monkey could be trained to do my job. I basically did not take the job I was interviewing for at the time. At least the next interview went a lot better and I did take the job. Pam -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Jeanine (CDC/OID/NCEZID) Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:30 PM To: Sue; Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: RE: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology I agree, BUTas long as many pathologists think you can teach any trained dog how to section histology will never have the recognition those of us that have studied and trained deserve. -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Sue Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:59 PM To: Timothy Morken Cc: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; Jennifer MacDonald Subject: Re: [Histonet] BS in Histotechnology This is a fight that we continue to have with hospital administration. In my opinion histologists are just as important and needed as MT. Even though there is an increase in automation in pathology the hands on of a histologists is most important. The fact that hospital still consider a lower entry job is the reason there are not more of us. It is quite frustrating. Sue TJUH ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet -- Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] BS in Histology
Wow. That was kind of harsh, Tim. I came out of an HT program that required the same prereqs as most med tech programs, so I had that as well as education specific to the field of Histotechnology. My education was VERY structured. I am, however, finishing my BS in Biology so that I can get my HTL credential as well. Oddly enough, I have a good percentage of my BS completed due to the prereqs of my HT program. I realize that there are some programs out there that don't have as stringent requirements, but please don't lump all HT-credentialed professionals into the same group. Those who pass the credentialing exams have demonstrated a body of knowledge that deserves to be recognized and respected. Carole Johnson Carole Johnson, HT(ASCP)cm New Mexico Department of Agriculture Veterinary Diagnostic Services 505.383.9299 To understand is to stand under, which is to look up, which is a good way to understand Confidentiality Notice: New Mexico has a very broad public records law. Most written communications to or from state employees are public records. Your e-mail communications may therefore be subject to public disclosure. This e-mail, including all attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipients. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Tol Blue
?Hello my fellow Histo Techs. Have a question I just know someone out there can answer for me. In canine tissue, we are having problems with the Tol Blue for mast cell. Am experiencing metachromasia, or the mast cells turning purple not blue. I have attempted to decrease time, or add time, but its not helping. My pathologist says he has had this issue before. So question is. Could it be the mast cell in a dog does not stain the same? Is there another stain that may work? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance. Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Kimberly Marshall H.T.(ASCP) Histology/Lab Supervisor Toll Free 1-800-426-2099 Fax 801-584-5104 PO Box 17580 Salt Lake City, Utah 84107 www.animalreferencepathology.comhttp://www.animalreferencepathology.com/ Advancing the art and science of veterinary medicine [cid:image001.jpg@01CF8F87.A0BD4830] ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
