RE: SPAM-LOW: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer
I agree with you Amos, but some instruments are more friendly to using other's antibodies and detections than others. In my opinion the Dako autostainer, Leica Bond and the BC IHC autostainers are very good open systems, and even some of them are better at supporting animal and human research. Patsy Patsy Ruegg, HT(ASCP)QIhc IHCtech 12635 Montview Blvd. Ste.215 Aurora, CO 80045 720-859-4060 fax 720-859-4110 www.ihctech.net www.ihcrg.org -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Amos Brooks Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:49 PM To: raha...@serha.ca; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: SPAM-LOW: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer Hi Randi, The statement that a stainer is only as good as it's antibodies is nails on a chalk board to me. You can get a good stainer and if the company has bad antibodies ... *change them!* No one company can do it all. If they tell you otherwise RUN they are lieing to you. The definition of a good instrument is one that allows you the flexability to use whatever antibodies you need to use. If you need to run an antibody that isn't offered by the company that sells your instrument, there are thousands of other antibody companies to choose from. If the antibody requires the use of species of secondary that is not offered by the company and the company doesn't allow you to use something else, it is not worth using. Instrumentation is a function of good engineering and software programming. It has little if anything to do with the biochemistry of antibody applications. I really don't mean to sound sharp here, but there are too many people that think that the company that sells their instrument is the only company that they can use. If this is the case with any instrument the customer got shafted in buying the instrument. Amos Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:57:44 -0300 From: Hayes, Randi (R1SE) raha...@serha.ca Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: cdf8c140352fb04a913cf61753056bd30378d...@rhaex1.rha-rrs.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A stainer is only as good as its antibodies. We've been less than impressed with the quality of Cell Marque antibodies as well as their customer service. Contact me if you want specifics. What I would suggest is when looking for the best, look for the antibodies that rank the most robust on external EQA surveys (UK Nequas, NordiQC as examples) and go with a system that gives you the flexibility (within reasonable cost) to use the most reliable antibodies. We are Ventana XT users and have been for over 5 years. It provides good staining but with little flexibility to use other vendors antibodies unless you want to completely blow your budget. This forces you to use Cell Marque products and I've already shared my opinion on that. Randi Hayes Histology Supervisor The Moncton Hospital Regional Health Authority B Moncton, NB ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Best IHC Stainer
A stainer is only as good as its antibodies. We've been less than impressed with the quality of Cell Marque antibodies as well as their customer service. Contact me if you want specifics. What I would suggest is when looking for the best, look for the antibodies that rank the most robust on external EQA surveys (UK Nequas, NordiQC as examples) and go with a system that gives you the flexibility (within reasonable cost) to use the most reliable antibodies. We are Ventana XT users and have been for over 5 years. It provides good staining but with little flexibility to use other vendors antibodies unless you want to completely blow your budget. This forces you to use Cell Marque products and I've already shared my opinion on that. Randi Hayes Histology Supervisor The Moncton Hospital Regional Health Authority B Moncton, NB randi.ha...@serha.ca - SERHA Disclaimer - This electronic transmission and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged or confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or organization named above. Any distribution, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender at the above e-mail address and delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Cette communication électronique et toute pièce jointe peuvent contenir de l'information de nature privilégiée ou confidentielle et sont strictement réservées à l'usage du destinataire visé et identifié ci-dessus. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire visé, prenez avis que toute distribution, reproduction ou mesure fondée sur l'information qui y est contenue est EXPRESSÉMENT INTERDITE. Si vous avez reçu cette communication par erreur, veuillez en aviser immédiatement l'expéditeur par courriel (à l'adresse électronique mentionnée ci-dessus) et supprimer le message d'origine. Merci. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer
Randi, We also use Ventana instruments (3) but use whose ever antibodies make sense for our work situation. You don't need to blow your budget especially if you go with concentrate antibodies and purchase user fillable dispensers from Ventana. Basically there are no limitations for which antibodies you use with Ventana instruments. Linda A. Sebree University of Wisconsin Hospital Clinics IHC/ISH Laboratory DB1-223 VAH 600 Highland Ave. Madison, WI 53792 (608)265-6596 -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Hayes, Randi (R1SE) Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:58 AM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer A stainer is only as good as its antibodies. We've been less than impressed with the quality of Cell Marque antibodies as well as their customer service. Contact me if you want specifics. What I would suggest is when looking for the best, look for the antibodies that rank the most robust on external EQA surveys (UK Nequas, NordiQC as examples) and go with a system that gives you the flexibility (within reasonable cost) to use the most reliable antibodies. We are Ventana XT users and have been for over 5 years. It provides good staining but with little flexibility to use other vendors antibodies unless you want to completely blow your budget. This forces you to use Cell Marque products and I've already shared my opinion on that. Randi Hayes Histology Supervisor The Moncton Hospital Regional Health Authority B Moncton, NB randi.ha...@serha.ca - SERHA Disclaimer - This electronic transmission and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged or confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or organization named above. Any distribution, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender at the above e-mail address and delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Cette communication électronique et toute pièce jointe peuvent contenir de l'information de nature privilégiée ou confidentielle et sont strictement réservées à l'usage du destinataire visé et identifié ci-dessus. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire visé, prenez avis que toute distribution, reproduction ou mesure fondée sur l'information qui y est contenue est EXPRESSÉMENT INTERDITE. Si vous avez reçu cette communication par erreur, veuillez en aviser immédiatement l'expéditeur par courriel (à l'adresse électronique mentionnée ci-dessus) et supprimer le message d'origine. Merci. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana Ab's
What announcement? -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Weems, Joyce Sent: 27 August 2009 14:05 Cc: histonet Subject: RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana Ab's Everyone may want to check this out. Heard today that this is no longer the case. Maybe Ventana will make an announcement! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Akemi Allison-Tacha Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 16:46 To: Maria Katleba Cc: histonet Subject: RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana Ab's Most people are unaware of this, but that's probably because Ventana has had a contract with Cell Marque for years as their primary antibody and other consumables source. --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Maria Katleba maria.katl...@stjoe.org wrote: From: Maria Katleba maria.katl...@stjoe.org Subject: RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer To: godsgal...@aol.com godsgal...@aol.com, gareth.da...@hotmail.com gareth.da...@hotmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:40 AM I was a DAKO fan for years... But after using Ventana, I completely changed my mind! Sure you pay a little more, but honestly the amount is negligible! In fact, after pricing out Dako versus Ventana, in the end the was really no difference. Plus the quality of the Ventana is exceptional. No one can touch their antibodies... If they don't have the antibody, Cell Marque does. (Cell Marque even puts the antibody into a Ventana style dispenser so that you register it and run!!!) Who else does that? No one. Trust me, I have checked. OMG... now I am sounding like and ad... didn't mean too! I think Ventana is the best and you can't beat their customer service dept.. Dako falls short on tech hotline help Ventana will even try to help you, even if you have a Dako! I am just saying. Maria Katleba HT(ASCP) Ms Napa CA -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of godsgal...@aol.com Sent: 27 August 2009 08:06 To: gareth.da...@hotmail.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Notice from St. Joseph Health System: Please note that the information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This email, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete this message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Notice from St. Joseph Health System: Please note that the information
[Histonet] Best IHC Stainer
Hi Randi, The statement that a stainer is only as good as it's antibodies is nails on a chalk board to me. You can get a good stainer and if the company has bad antibodies ... *change them!* No one company can do it all. If they tell you otherwise RUN they are lieing to you. The definition of a good instrument is one that allows you the flexability to use whatever antibodies you need to use. If you need to run an antibody that isn't offered by the company that sells your instrument, there are thousands of other antibody companies to choose from. If the antibody requires the use of species of secondary that is not offered by the company and the company doesn't allow you to use something else, it is not worth using. Instrumentation is a function of good engineering and software programming. It has little if anything to do with the biochemistry of antibody applications. I really don't mean to sound sharp here, but there are too many people that think that the company that sells their instrument is the only company that they can use. If this is the case with any instrument the customer got shafted in buying the instrument. Amos Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:57:44 -0300 From: Hayes, Randi (R1SE) raha...@serha.ca Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC Stainer To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Message-ID: cdf8c140352fb04a913cf61753056bd30378d...@rhaex1.rha-rrs.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A stainer is only as good as its antibodies. We've been less than impressed with the quality of Cell Marque antibodies as well as their customer service. Contact me if you want specifics. What I would suggest is when looking for the best, look for the antibodies that rank the most robust on external EQA surveys (UK Nequas, NordiQC as examples) and go with a system that gives you the flexibility (within reasonable cost) to use the most reliable antibodies. We are Ventana XT users and have been for over 5 years. It provides good staining but with little flexibility to use other vendors antibodies unless you want to completely blow your budget. This forces you to use Cell Marque products and I've already shared my opinion on that. Randi Hayes Histology Supervisor The Moncton Hospital Regional Health Authority B Moncton, NB ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
I echo Joyce's comments! Greg Greg Dobbin, R.T. Chief Technologist, Anatomic Pathology Dept. of Laboratory Medicine, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, P.O. Box 6600 Charlottetown, PEC1A 8T5 Phone: (902) 894-2337 Fax: (902) 894-2385 I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. - Thomas Jefferson Weems, Joyce jwe...@sjha.org 8/26/2009 10:57 PM They are both good instruments. From my experience pricing is high for the Ventana reagents and there seems to be an increase in DAKO pricing from what I see on the Net. Have you looked at the Leica Bond? We found that to be a good fit for us. Started out to add it to our DAKO line, but ended up changing completely. It also does ISH, and is a continuous feed - up to 10 slides at a time. Good luck, Joyce -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu on behalf of Gareth Blaeuer Davis Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 8:04 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer The lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and Dako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, so any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This email, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete this message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet - Statement of Confidentiality This message (including attachments) may contain confidential or privileged information intended for a specific individual or organization. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email, and should promptly delete this email from your entire computer system. Déclaration de confidentialité Le présent message (y compris les annexes) peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels à l'intention d'une personne ou d'un organisme particulier. Si vous avez reçu la présente communication par erreur, veuillez en informer l'expéditeur immédiatement. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, vous n'avez pas le droit d'utiliser, divulguer, distribuer, copier ou imprimer ce courriel ou encore de vous en servir, et vous devriez l'effacer immédiatement de votre système informatique. - ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
I prefer the DAKO. Check, besides the instrument itself, the reagents COST and how open one system is compared with the other. René J. --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:04 PM The lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and Dako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, so any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
Agreed. Intellipath from Biocare. Load it and walk away - and it has a voice notification to tell you the run is finished. You can load it in the PM, and take slides off in the AM. Love it. Has a chilling station for AP chromogen, too. Jacke O' godsgal...@aol.com Sent by: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 08/27/2009 10:05 AM To gareth.da...@hotmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu cc Subject Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
Having worked with Dako autostainer for years and currently using Vantana Discovery XT and Leica Bond stainer's, my preference would be the Bond. You have the capability of the Ventana stainer, and being able to unlock the software that will allow you to use it as any other stainer on the market today. Bond also has a favorable per slide cost analysis. If you need any additional info, I would be happy to provide as much as I am can. Thanks Dusko Trajkovic Pfizer Inc La Jolla 858-638-6202 From: godsgal...@aol.com godsgal...@aol.com To: gareth.da...@hotmail.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:05:35 AM Subject: Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
I was a DAKO fan for years... But after using Ventana, I completely changed my mind! Sure you pay a little more, but honestly the amount is negligible! In fact, after pricing out Dako versus Ventana, in the end the was really no difference. Plus the quality of the Ventana is exceptional. No one can touch their antibodies... If they don't have the antibody, Cell Marque does. (Cell Marque even puts the antibody into a Ventana style dispenser so that you register it and run!!!) Who else does that? No one. Trust me, I have checked. OMG... now I am sounding like and ad... didn't mean too! I think Ventana is the best and you can't beat their customer service dept.. Dako falls short on tech hotline help Ventana will even try to help you, even if you have a Dako! I am just saying. Maria Katleba HT(ASCP) Ms Napa CA -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of godsgal...@aol.com Sent: 27 August 2009 08:06 To: gareth.da...@hotmail.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Notice from St. Joseph Health System: Please note that the information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana Ab's
Everyone may want to check this out. Heard today that this is no longer the case. Maybe Ventana will make an announcement! -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Akemi Allison-Tacha Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 16:46 To: Maria Katleba Cc: histonet Subject: RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana Ab's Most people are unaware of this, but that's probably because Ventana has had a contract with Cell Marque for years as their primary antibody and other consumables source. --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Maria Katleba maria.katl...@stjoe.org wrote: From: Maria Katleba maria.katl...@stjoe.org Subject: RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer To: godsgal...@aol.com godsgal...@aol.com, gareth.da...@hotmail.com gareth.da...@hotmail.com, histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:40 AM I was a DAKO fan for years... But after using Ventana, I completely changed my mind! Sure you pay a little more, but honestly the amount is negligible! In fact, after pricing out Dako versus Ventana, in the end the was really no difference. Plus the quality of the Ventana is exceptional. No one can touch their antibodies... If they don't have the antibody, Cell Marque does. (Cell Marque even puts the antibody into a Ventana style dispenser so that you register it and run!!!) Who else does that? No one. Trust me, I have checked. OMG... now I am sounding like and ad... didn't mean too! I think Ventana is the best and you can't beat their customer service dept.. Dako falls short on tech hotline help Ventana will even try to help you, even if you have a Dako! I am just saying. Maria Katleba HT(ASCP) Ms Napa CA -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of godsgal...@aol.com Sent: 27 August 2009 08:06 To: gareth.da...@hotmail.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: Re: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer Ventana reagents eem to be a little pricey, but if you want a system that you can load and walk away from, it is the way to go. DAKO is an easy enough to use instrument and is an open system, but they are going to a price per slide kind of thing, if I remmeber correctly. I prefer the IP from Biocare, as is is an open system and a continuous load instrument. And it mixes the chromagen online -Original Message- From: Gareth Blaeuer Davis gareth.da...@hotmail.com To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer he lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and ako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, o any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ otmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. ttp://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ istonet mailing list isto...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu ttp://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Notice from St. Joseph Health System: Please note that the information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This email, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete this message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
[Histonet] Best IHC stainer
The lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and Dako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, so any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
RE: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer
They are both good instruments. From my experience pricing is high for the Ventana reagents and there seems to be an increase in DAKO pricing from what I see on the Net. Have you looked at the Leica Bond? We found that to be a good fit for us. Started out to add it to our DAKO line, but ended up changing completely. It also does ISH, and is a continuous feed - up to 10 slides at a time. Good luck, Joyce -Original Message- From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu on behalf of Gareth Blaeuer Davis Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 8:04 PM To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu Subject: [Histonet] Best IHC stainer The lab I work in has been doing demos on IHC stainers Ventana Benchmark XT and Dako's Autostainer Plus. We could really use feed back from current users of both. We are having a hard time deciding between the two, so any input would be great. What are the Pros and Cons with both. Thanks, Gareth Blaeuer Davis, B.S., HT _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet Confidentiality Notice: This email, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete this message. ___ Histonet mailing list Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
