Re: [Histonet] Glycogen detection

2020-03-08 Thread Hobbs, Carl via Histonet
Q has been answered: fix in "10% Formalin" made up from concentrated liquid 
which has 10% Alcohol to retard reformation of paraformaldehyde polymers.
Once the 40% liquid has been diluted to 4% the fixative effects of alcohol are 
minimised.
Alcohol does not dissolve glycogen ( otherwise the dehydration stage of Pwax 
processing would)
The Main Man JK has OK'd this.
I am glad that he still posts/passes on his extensive knowledge!
I can see further by having his shoulders to stand on
Glycogen is still demonstrable ( with PAS) but, as JK pointed out, the Formalin 
will "push" the glycogen up to the plasma membrane as it fixes the proteins, 
giving what I learnt to call "streaming" artefact
 In 2014, I posted an image  in Histonet Images of glycogen streaming in a 
FFPWS skin section stained with PAS.
Have a look?



Carl Hobbs FIBMS
Histology and Imaging Manager
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Kings College London
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Re: [Histonet] Glycogen detection; also Spring Forward

2020-03-07 Thread John Kiernan via Histonet
Glycogen (MW about 1,000,000) is soluble in water but insoluble in alcohol 
(Merck Index 12th ed.,1996, p.766). For this reason, non-aqueous coagulant 
fixatives may have advantages, especially for small specimens or thin layers of 
cultured cells.

Fixation immobilizes cytoplasmic proteins, which then entangle the big long 
polysacccharide molecules of glycogen, keeping them  approximately in their 
intracellular positions. Formaldehyde penetrates specimens rapidly, but its 
chemical reactions with proteins, especially the cross-linking that stabilizes 
structure, are slow (meaning 12-48 hours). During this time, the glycogen in 
liver cells dissolves and is carried in solution along the direction of  the 
fixative diffusing into the specimen. In each hepatocyte, this intracellular 
diffusion of glygogen is stopped by each hepatocyte's cell membrane, which has 
a lipid layers that are unchanged by an aqueous formalin solution. As a result, 
the stainable glygogen piles up in the side of each hepatocyte furthest from 
the surface of the specimen. This artifact is often called "polarix=zarion". 
With processing into paraffin, which removes lipids and coagulates any proteins 
not yet made insoluble by formaldehyde, glycogen is anchored into place by 
fixed cytoplasmic proteins, but it can still be attacked and removed by 
amylase/diastase/spittle.

All this has been known for at least 60 years. It's in the textbooks, as Bob 
Richmond pointed out yesterday. (Or was it the day before?)  It's now time for 
us all to advance our clocks by an hour, go to bed and wake up in time for 
Church on Sunday!

John Kiernan
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From: Bob Richmond via Histonet 
Sent: 07 March 2020 13:47
To: Histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Subject: Re: [Histonet] Glycogen detection

Galina Deyneko (where? asks: >>Does anybody have experience how fix the
tissues for successful glycogen ? detection in murine and humane
cardiomyocytes. I am wondering maybe the trace of methanol in 10% formalin
will dissolve glycogen?? - What would be better process for paraffin
embedding or use OCT embedding without fixation? Of course I prefer FFPE
blocks, since OCT blocks give bad morphology.<<

Ordinary neutral buffered formalin and paraffin embedding should be
adequate. R.D. Lillie (3rd ed.) notes good results with Carnoy's fixative,
alcoholic formalin, and acetic alcoholic formalin also.

The traditional stain for glycogen is periodic acid Schiff (PAS). You
verify the presence of glycogen by doing the stain with and without amylase
("diastase") predigestion. (A crude but adequate source of amylase is to
just spit on the slide.)

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Maryville, Tennessee
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Re: [Histonet] Glycogen detection

2020-03-07 Thread Bob Richmond via Histonet
Galina Deyneko (where? asks: >>Does anybody have experience how fix the
tissues for successful glycogen ? detection in murine and humane
cardiomyocytes. I am wondering maybe the trace of methanol in 10% formalin
will dissolve glycogen?? - What would be better process for paraffin
embedding or use OCT embedding without fixation? Of course I prefer FFPE
blocks, since OCT blocks give bad morphology.<<

Ordinary neutral buffered formalin and paraffin embedding should be
adequate. R.D. Lillie (3rd ed.) notes good results with Carnoy's fixative,
alcoholic formalin, and acetic alcoholic formalin also.

The traditional stain for glycogen is periodic acid Schiff (PAS). You
verify the presence of glycogen by doing the stain with and without amylase
("diastase") predigestion. (A crude but adequate source of amylase is to
just spit on the slide.)

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Maryville, Tennessee
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Re: [Histonet] Glycogen detection

2020-03-06 Thread Galina Deyneko via Histonet
Dear Colleagues.Does anybody have experience how fix the tissues for successful 
glycogen   detection in murine and humane cardiomyocytes.I am wondering maybe 
the trace of methanol in 10% formalin will dissolve glycogen? 
What would be better process for paraffin embedding or use OCT embedding 
without fixation. Of course I prefer FFPE blocks, since OCT blocks give bad 
morphology.Any advices?Great thank you in advance

Galina Deyneko



  
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