[hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
I think Valve is triing to become the next Microsoft. The Steam tools is crappy, and damage users gameplay with delays and failures, and restrict singleplayer ability. Its the first step of a highly dangerous technology to damage freedom: DRM. Valve as work dirty in the past. Unable Quake1 developpers to use both tools and some media into Quake1. Abducting good mods inside (like Counter-Strike). Valve overload the market with his product, that unable oportunitys for other developers. Valve write nazi Licenses. So.. I understand people that may *HATE* Valve. I not hate Valve. Valve is a enterprise that make good games. Half-Life was a very fun and good game. Valve provide nice SDK for modders to work from a clean start, and update the engine to mantain the community alive. Respect. Respect to the impresive good work Valve as do in the past, and is actually doing. Respect to the giganteous community around some hl based mods, like DOD, TFC and CS. Respect, consult your dictionary. If you think now the target is Valve. Please re-think. Its not cool to fuck a lot of people that where triing to get his fun from this. And Its not cool to fuck people doing fun games for all of us. If you have fun hacking, download Uplink game. If you want to fight DRM, send slow letters to your Congressman. Query him publically. If you want you piece of pie, *make better games*. Let other people have his fun with Valve. -Tei pd: my english is crap. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] ABUSE REPORT
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] I was unaware closed source stood for anything. Since open source is free, as in speech, it 'stands for something' just by its nature. What does closed source stand for? Superfluous amounts of patent litigation? Immoral software licenses? Moronic support contracts? Charging customers for bug fixes? Massive security flaws and cascading software failures? The ever misleading 'warranty'. How about private property rights? Don't go all socialist on us now :) -- Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! [1] ===References:=== 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMAENUS/2746??PS= ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
I actually think that to a degree the DRM present in Steam and HL2 is actually an improvement on what we get currently. For a start, Steam allows me to access a copy of HL2 from anywhere that has an internet connection, and I can instantly start downloading it if it's a broadband connection. And there's still the option to use the game CD to prove that you own the game like we always have. And with any luck Valve should release the offline play Steam patch soon... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tei Sent: 09 October 2003 20:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community I think Valve is triing to become the next Microsoft. The Steam tools is crappy, and damage users gameplay with delays and failures, and restrict singleplayer ability. Its the first step of a highly dangerous technology to damage freedom: DRM. Valve as work dirty in the past. Unable Quake1 developpers to use both tools and some media into Quake1. Abducting good mods inside (like Counter-Strike). Valve overload the market with his product, that unable oportunitys for other developers. Valve write nazi Licenses. So.. I understand people that may *HATE* Valve. I not hate Valve. Valve is a enterprise that make good games. Half-Life was a very fun and good game. Valve provide nice SDK for modders to work from a clean start, and update the engine to mantain the community alive. Respect. Respect to the impresive good work Valve as do in the past, and is actually doing. Respect to the giganteous community around some hl based mods, like DOD, TFC and CS. Respect, consult your dictionary. If you think now the target is Valve. Please re-think. Its not cool to fuck a lot of people that where triing to get his fun from this. And Its not cool to fuck people doing fun games for all of us. If you have fun hacking, download Uplink game. If you want to fight DRM, send slow letters to your Congressman. Query him publically. If you want you piece of pie, *make better games*. Let other people have his fun with Valve. -Tei pd: my english is crap. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] Re: Open Letter To Hacker Community
Hello Andrew, AS I actually think that to a degree the DRM present in Steam and HL2 is AS actually an improvement on what we get currently. Why? AS For a start, Steam allows me to access a copy of HL2 from anywhere that has an internet connection, AS and I can instantly start downloading it if it's a broadband connection. Broadbrand is very rare worldwide. Maybe is a better option to move HL with a CD-R than redownloading everything. HL will ask for you CD-KEY, soo not problem. Suppose a normal 8 K/s download with Steam: 600 MB, 4 hours 3000 MB (30 mods), 4 days Suppose a normal CD-R disk with HL Dir: 30 s to copy from CD to HD AS And there's still the option to use the game CD to prove that you own the game AS like we always have. AS And with any luck Valve should release the offline play Steam patch soon... Ignoring Singleplayer and LAN was a mistake. Will be nice to see these problems fixed ...forever. Thanks. Looks like older system was simpler, stronger and cleaner. Maybe I am oldschool or what? Thanks for your mail. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] Re: Open Letter To Hacker Community
Ignoring Singleplayer and LAN was a mistake. Will be nice to see these problems fixed ...forever. Thanks. Exactly. I want to exhibit my mod at an upcoming trade show - looks like it's going to be on venerable hl 1.1.1.0 because steam won't run on a lan (unless someone wants to send me the offline patch by october 31? :) ) _ Jeff 'Kuja' Katz Leader, Digital Paintball http://www.digitalpaintball.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Open Letter To Hacker Community
Firstly, I would encourage you to get your definition of 'hacker' correct before you start shaking your finger at them. I think Valve is triing to become the next Microsoft. The Steam tools is crappy, and damage users gameplay with delays and failures, and restrict singleplayer ability. Its the first step of a highly dangerous technology to damage freedom: DRM. How have they done any of that? That is just your personal experience. It hasn't changed the way that authentication is done, it hasn't introduced any new DRM, it hasn't restricted anything that you couldn't do before. All it is, is a new way to deliver Valve's content, authenticate to the servers (which were WON until Steam) and update the games. Valve as work dirty in the past. Unable Quake1 developpers to use both tools and some media into Quake1. When you take the Q1 engine, mix in stuff from Q2 and your own custom modifications, I'd love to see you do anything like backwards compatability with Q1. Valve licensed the Q1 engine fair and square and had no obligation, need or want to make it backwards compatable. Abducting good mods inside (like Counter-Strike). Valve overload the market with his product, that unable oportunitys for other developers. Valve write nazi Licenses. Abducting? I'm assuming that gooseman agreed to having his MOD commercialised, otherwise Valve faces some serious charges. And where are these nazi licenses, valve are incredibly nice with their MOD licenses. If you think now the target is Valve. Please re-think. Its not cool to fuck a lot of people that where triing to get his fun from this. And Its not cool to fuck people doing fun games for all of us. If you have fun hacking, download Uplink game. Might want to address that one to the CRACKER community. -Philip ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] Re: Open Letter To Hacker Community
Ignoring Singleplayer and LAN was a mistake. Will be nice to see these problems fixed ...forever. Thanks. Looks like older system was simpler, stronger and cleaner. Maybe I am oldschool or what? It was a bit better, but I like the direction that Valve is going with steam. If they spent just a bt more time on polishing it up and adding features like these that some people (myself included) would concider critical, then they would've had a much better response from the community. -Philip ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
