SV: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun!
Since when is a game engine defined by the format of its resource files? LOTS of engines can read BSP trees; it doesn't make them Q1 engines by any standard. If you want to have a guessing contest by my guest by at least be a little serious about your arguments. Guessing that Source is built on Q1 because it reads BSP trees and MDL files is like saying Star Office is essentially built upon MSOffice because they can both read plain text files! /JWN -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Tony "omega" Sergi Sendt: 20. februar 2005 18:45 Til: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Emne: RE: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun! I've had a lot of experience modding both quake1, 2, and 3, (and of course hl1) that I can gather from the tools and hl2's sdk, that while hl1 is primarily still quake, hl2 was definitely based on the hl1 engine source initially, however much has actually been re-written or not isn't the issue; but ontop of that, there are a _lot_ and I mean, a _lot_ of quake2 features in hl2. remember valve ALSO licensed quake2 back when they were working on hl1. some examples that in implementation (and use) seem like a lot of recycled and modified quake2 engine stuff, the biggest that I feel like mentioning are: BSP format - it's much closer to q2 than q1 now. Game physics and interactions with the bsp world function just like quake2, the mask system, the way that BBOX's finally scale up and down based on rotation, etc. lots of similarities. Some of the way the SDK source is layed out is like hl1 and q1 combined, it's too hard to explain it, but take a look at the q2 source (the /game/ source.) and compare it. I lost what I was saying, so I'll just end here. Lol -Original Message- From: "E.T." - Apparition Developper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 20, 2005 6:28 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] RE: Because forks are fun! There are still remaining bits of Quake 1 scaterred trough all the Half-Life 1/2. For example .qc file script used for model compiling (maybe in early stages studiomdl used parts of QuakeC parser)(BOTH); BSP file fromat(BOTH); extended WAD file format (HL1). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] [ Basic question (prob. 101st same question ]
It will also load under VS.NET 2002 (7.0) if you change the version in the project files. (.vcproj) -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Draco Sendt: 10. januar 2005 13:59 Til: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Emne: Re: [hlcoders] [ Basic question (prob. 101st same question ] the source SDK will compile under MSVC 2003(or 7.1) but will(with some tinkering) work with MSVC 6 and above. ** Draco Coder for Perfect Dark http://perfectdark.game-mod.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] Updated SDK source code?
You do know that windiff comes for free with the resourcekit right ? /JWN -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af wheaty Sendt: 22. december 2004 01:47 Til: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Emne: Re: [hlcoders] Updated SDK source code? There are also some *free* file comparison utilities listed here, http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/filecomparison.shtml On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:30:01 -0600, Jeffrey botman Broome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nicholas Rhead wrote: > > > > It would be extremely helpful to have a rather more > > detailed changelog. > > Beyond Compare (http://www.scootersoftware.com/) does a REALLY good job > of comparing one source directory tree to another source directory tree. > > Simply save off your current source code to a backup directory, create a > MOD using the latest SDK, run Beyond Compare on the two main directories > and it will show you what has changed. :) > > -- > Jeffrey "botman" Broome > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] Re: WinMM.lib
Sounds like you haven't set your library path up correctly. Try poking around in the project properties until you find it, and point it to (probabaly) both the lib folder in the sdk and the default c++ lib folder (depending on your IDE) /Jakob Nielsen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Childe Roland Sendt: 3. december 2004 17:25 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: [hlcoders] Re: WinMM.lib Actually, first I just pointed the project to PlatformSDK/Lib to get the file. It did the same thing. On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:24:11 -0600, Childe Roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I finally got my code to compile, but then when it goes to Linking it says: > > LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'winmm.lib' > > > So, I found winmm.lib, and threw it in the SDK Lib/Public folder. Now > it gives me this same error (diff. files) about 2200 times. > > c_te_spritespray.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _atexit > c_te_worlddecal.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _atexit > c_te_playerdecal.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _atexit > > > Anybody know whats going on? > > > -- > > Childe Roland > "I will show you fear in a handful of jelly beans." > -- Childe Roland "I will show you fear in a handful of jelly beans." ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: SV: [hlcoders] Need Help compiling SDK example (vs.net 2003)
Basically I just used the wizard from the sdk tools.
Opened the Game_SDK.sln files under the src folder (at the destination
you specify in the wizard)
Hit shift+crtl+b and build the thing
Do you get no visible errors of any kind ?
I can see your output window is empty which is kind of odd as it should
show at least a list of the files compiles... (ctrl+alt+o)
/Jakob Nielsen
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Sendt: 1. december 2004 23:16
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Emne: Re: SV: [hlcoders] Need Help compiling SDK example (vs.net 2003)
So you compiled it on vs.net 2003? Can you list the exact steps, incase
I'm missing something?
Also, I've posted my build logs incase there is any useful info there,
but I can only find one instance of 'error' in the summary at the end
("1 error(s)").
http://abysmalstudios.com/files/Release_hl2-BuildLog.htm
http://abysmalstudios.com/files/cl_dll___Win32_HL2-Release-BuildLog.htm
Jakob W. Nielsen wrote:
>Sry I can't be of much help, I just used the create mp mod wizard,
>compiled and ran the thing no probs... *shrugs*
>
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SV: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas..
OK we have run a few tests, and it seems Visual Studio .NET 2002 can be "fooled" In the .vcproj files you can change the Version="7.10" To Version="7.00" And it will load in that one as well, I hope that helps some of you /Jakob Nielsen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Jakob W. Nielsen Sendt: 1. december 2004 17:36 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: SV: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas.. Having VS7.1 myself and only just now downloading the sdk I have no idea but... Will the linux makefiles work with the free VC7.1 compiler ? If not is there any chance you will make makefiles for that?, as this would be great for people not able to gather the amount of money needed for the entire Visual Studio... Jakob Nielsen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Alfred Reynolds Sendt: 1. december 2004 07:13 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas.. Only VC7.1 (.NET 2003) will be supported for the Source SDK under Windows. The SDK includes linux makefiles (in the linux_sdk directory). You can read more details on how to compile under linux here: http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/linux_compiling.html - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruari O'Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas.. > Hey, there it is. > > Didn't most people say they were still using MSVC++ 6? I know I am. > Any chance of project files? If not, how about a makefile for g++? > > Digging the documentation so far. It's good to have something there. > > -randomnine- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] Need Help compiling SDK example (vs.net 2003)
Sry I can't be of much help, I just used the create mp mod wizard, compiled and ran the thing no probs... *shrugs* -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Colin Dabritz Sendt: 1. december 2004 21:33 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: [hlcoders] Need Help compiling SDK example (vs.net 2003) [ As a thread on HL2.NET: http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58204 ] Hi all, I'm new to the list, but I didn't see this in the archive. I was trying to walk through the http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/MyFirstMod.htm example. I have visualstudio.net 2003, and I was careful to set my VPROJECT environment variable ( http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/dev_environment.html ). The first thing I would like to note is that it complains bitterly about not having a sourcesafe server. If that aspect could be removed from the project, I'd apreciate it, as I doubt valve wants people to check out the HL2 source from them. Anyhow, I click through the errors, and then choose to 'work disconnected' to get those out of the way. The rest of the how-to goes well up until compiling. The output window gives me this: -- Build started: Project: client, Configuration: Debug SDK Win32 -- Build log was saved at "file://g:\MyTestMod\src\cl_dll\Debug_SDK\BuildLog.htm" client - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s) -- Build started: Project: hl, Configuration: Debug SDK Win32 -- Build log was saved at "file://g:\MyTestMod\src\dlls\Release_SDK\BuildLog.htm" hl - 1 error(s), 0 warning(s) -- Done -- Build: 0 succeeded, 2 failed, 0 skipped Which is odd, because it fails to specify what the errors are. I've never seen it do that. I looked at the build logs, but they don't make much sense to me, and they don't seem to indicate any kind of error. I can provide them if they will help. I would also note that these results come up nearly instantly, meaning nothing at all is being compiled. I have also tried compiling the debug version, compiling the everything sln in both version, setting up a 'from scratch' mod, and do all of the above. I've tried clean builds. I have no idea how to procede. I'm hopeing its not a sourcesafe issue, because I don't understand version control very well. (I tried to remove the version controll, but was unable) Has anyone (outside of valve) gotten the SDK to compile? with vs.net? (2003?) How would someone go about removeing source control (source safe) from a vs.net solution/project? Where do I go from here? What else can I look at and/or provide to help debug this? Any other suggestions? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas..
Having VS7.1 myself and only just now downloading the sdk I have no idea but... Will the linux makefiles work with the free VC7.1 compiler ? If not is there any chance you will make makefiles for that?, as this would be great for people not able to gather the amount of money needed for the entire Visual Studio... Jakob Nielsen -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Alfred Reynolds Sendt: 1. december 2004 07:13 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas.. Only VC7.1 (.NET 2003) will be supported for the Source SDK under Windows. The SDK includes linux makefiles (in the linux_sdk directory). You can read more details on how to compile under linux here: http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/linux_compiling.html - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruari O'Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] sdk release and a surprise ideas.. > Hey, there it is. > > Didn't most people say they were still using MSVC++ 6? I know I am. > Any chance of project files? If not, how about a makefile for g++? > > Digging the documentation so far. It's good to have something there. > > -randomnine- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: SV: [hlcoders] Looking Forward Possible Mods?
Mine doesn't crash when picking up the buggy, but I get killed real fast as it swirls around a lot and eventually hits the player with enough force to kill him :( I should add I tried it in a small cubic test map I made.. /JWN -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Tony "omega" Sergi Sendt: 25. november 2004 16:35 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: SV: [hlcoders] Looking Forward Possible Mods? If you pick up the combine apc thing, it crashes too. Well, sometimes I can make it not crash by hitting secondary attack quickly and jerking the mouse around and wait for however many seconds a 1fps it takes to let it go. Heh -Original Message- From: Andrew Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 25, 2004 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SV: [hlcoders] Looking Forward Possible Mods? cvarlist phys you'll see physcannon stuff there. set the pull strength high enough and you can pick up the buggy. of course it crashes after a few ms, so what good is it. set the trace length higher and the effects operate at a larger distance. (I've picked up cars on the far side of highway 17 and put them back, from around a bay. On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:06:11 +0100, tei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More SPOOILERS > > And you can use the citadel physgun in other levels (you changelevel to > others ). But for some reason ( error transformation from vec3 to > quaternions? havok its weak? too much computer power needed?? NAN > values??? ) firing the buggy with this weapon crash the game to desktop > after a long frezze. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] Looking Forward Possible Mods?
Actually if you cheat you will find that the APC are almost drivable :) SPOILER AHEAD In the map where you are caught by the combine, save for Alyx saving you. Just before that sequence you run across the rooftops, and below two APCs race to the dor of the building you will have to enter. Now do GOD mode and instead of climbing in throught the window just jump down to the APCs. At least one of then will let you enter, unfortunately you cannot drive away in it, and the driver viewport seems to be underneath the vehicle. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af tei Sendt: 22. november 2004 00:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: [hlcoders] Looking Forward Possible Mods? I am still playing the game, and I am still looking forward for modability. I see this engine is a total new stuff because whatever game its posible in real world, its also posible here. Its not only the dawn race games, but you can play any sport like billar. OR maybe you can play tetris by hand :D I really like the open doors and the decorations. Looks like this engine and decorations can be adapted to a WW2 game. Think about Battlefield 1942 at Berlin map with a Source engine :D The size of maps its interesting. The design can fake really enormeous maps but loading times sux. Maybe this engine will be get better has computers get more memory and faster drives, maybe its the hardware and not this engine that sux. Anyway future mods will have maps x4 big than actual hl1. * I really like the squad gameplay. Playing with Ant Lions and all. Looks like "Starship Troopers" mods with this engine will be really fun. Havind destructibles fortress and bugs destroing everything,, hehehe.. fun mods. Its time to make more Duke Nukem jokes because this engine able similar feel to Duke Nuke game. You can USE everything, maybe get drunk with wine. This "source" engine its perfect for a rpg based on "Fallout". A post-Apocalipsys game with thrash and weapons everywhere :D and water chips :D Playing this game makes me remind Beyond Good and Evil, that jewel, the wome character its similar to that one, and the boat races remind me also the other game. But the HL2 game structure its very lineal, we the modders may build a central hub (a town) and able the player to explore other maps, return, learn, get better weapons... some "BGE" gameplay. I will finish soon the SP game, and I really like the level design, can be lovable a reason to revisit the same locations. *hint* *hint* *hint* My Wishlist: - a map with a mirror, I want to see Gordon Freeman face - a 1st person RTS with ant lions (red vs black ants) - a taxi game on sewers (odd?) - a "play with toys" map, to play and play phisics - drivable combine apcs - drivable combine waships?, etc.. - a mod to play has a headcrab :D, take over a base :D The Valve artistic work its fantastic, now we, the modders, have to continue this. "Stand on the shoulders of giants", now more dificult and fun than ever! * big enough for fliing stuff?.. maybe not. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] What MSVC version do you use/have?
I use VS.NET 2003 (7.1) Enterprise Edition And in regards to the .NET project files, someone could do a search on SlingShot <- supposedly this little tool should be able to convert the project files to nmake makefiles. I haven't tried it so I can't say if it works... sry -Jakob W. Nielsen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
SV: [hlcoders] (no subject)
OH it is.. the pine team is planning a huge media hype around fall next year :P -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Brian A. Stumm Sendt: 31. juli 2004 23:20 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: [hlcoders] (no subject) On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Jakob W. Nielsen wrote: > That's because, if people are to write a virus they want to target as > many as possible, so if everyone switches to netscapes browser and > client, that'll be the target. If everyone switches to Linux that'll be > the target. > > But you! Are probably relatively safe in anycase. Pine is not going to > be the peoples choice any time soon ;) huh... I figured it was the up and coming client. ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] (no subject)
That's because, if people are to write a virus they want to target as many as possible, so if everyone switches to netscapes browser and client, that'll be the target. If everyone switches to Linux that'll be the target. But you! Are probably relatively safe in anycase. Pine is not going to be the peoples choice any time soon ;) -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Brian A. Stumm Sendt: 31. juli 2004 17:03 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: [hlcoders] (no subject) On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Jeff 'Kuja' Katz wrote: > Thunderbird is better than the included mozilla email client. I've yet to get a virus with my mail client. Pine via command line. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
