Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-30 Thread Cory de La Torre
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Lol.

On Jan 30, 2008 12:05 AM, Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?news=1080357489-51167900
>
> Hey, it says "in a few weeks", so according to Valve time we will get it
> along with Episode 3 :P
>
> 2008/1/30, Maarten De Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Reason is simple I think. Steam is a success already with some big
> > publishers using it. Valve does not need mods anymore to promote its
> > platform, on the contrary, we would only be in competition with the real
> > 'paying' Valve clients and even be bad PR by offering lesser quality
> > products than the current Steam offer.
> >
> > Plus if they would want to support even only the 'better' mods out
> there,
> > they'd still end up with a list of a few dozen mods, for which they'd
> have
> > to do the distribution etc, logistically this is very expensive. Not to
> > mention quality control, it'd be a nightmare.
> >
> > Actually - and please don't read a reproach in this valve, from a
> business
> > point of view, they have no interest at all in supporting mods. If Steam
> > would not have become a success of its own, mods could have been
> > interesting to boost the platform, but now, they would be stupid to
> > support us logistically.
> >
> > So in my eyes they're doing what they can within their business
> > constraints. They provide us with an extensive SDK, a mailing list +
> > personal email support, and Mike Durand's extra hours. They let us do
> the
> > distribution/versioning etc so that they don't offend their paying steam
> > publisher clients, but allow us to still use the platform.
> >
> > I don't think we can ask for more really. Except maybe that yeah, they
> > shouldn't have made that promise earlier on [ if they really did, my
> > memory is already becoming vague on the subject :p ]
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > Remember that Valve promised Steam Delivery for Mods a long, long time
> > > ago,
> > > and for whatever reason, that never came to fruition. Don't hold your
> > > breath
> > > for anythin like this
> > >
> > > On Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> > >> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> > >> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
> > >>
> > >> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what
> update
> > >> is newer, etc)
> > >> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
> > >>
> > >> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> > >> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> > >> download/installer? :P
> > >>
> > >> >> Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support
> > >> arbitrary
> > >> >> mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - Alfred
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> -Original Message-
> > >> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> > >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
> > >> >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that
> > pie
> > >> >>>
> > >> >> ;)
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code
> in
> > >> the
> > >> >>> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to
> > >> incorporate
> > >> >>> achievements in their mods?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> --
> > >> >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]

Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-30 Thread Rodrigo 'r2d2rigo' Diaz
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http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?news=1080357489-51167900

Hey, it says "in a few weeks", so according to Valve time we will get it
along with Episode 3 :P

2008/1/30, Maarten De Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Reason is simple I think. Steam is a success already with some big
> publishers using it. Valve does not need mods anymore to promote its
> platform, on the contrary, we would only be in competition with the real
> 'paying' Valve clients and even be bad PR by offering lesser quality
> products than the current Steam offer.
>
> Plus if they would want to support even only the 'better' mods out there,
> they'd still end up with a list of a few dozen mods, for which they'd have
> to do the distribution etc, logistically this is very expensive. Not to
> mention quality control, it'd be a nightmare.
>
> Actually - and please don't read a reproach in this valve, from a business
> point of view, they have no interest at all in supporting mods. If Steam
> would not have become a success of its own, mods could have been
> interesting to boost the platform, but now, they would be stupid to
> support us logistically.
>
> So in my eyes they're doing what they can within their business
> constraints. They provide us with an extensive SDK, a mailing list +
> personal email support, and Mike Durand's extra hours. They let us do the
> distribution/versioning etc so that they don't offend their paying steam
> publisher clients, but allow us to still use the platform.
>
> I don't think we can ask for more really. Except maybe that yeah, they
> shouldn't have made that promise earlier on [ if they really did, my
> memory is already becoming vague on the subject :p ]
>
>
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > Remember that Valve promised Steam Delivery for Mods a long, long time
> > ago,
> > and for whatever reason, that never came to fruition. Don't hold your
> > breath
> > for anythin like this
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> >> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> >> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
> >>
> >> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
> >> is newer, etc)
> >> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
> >>
> >> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> >> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> >> download/installer? :P
> >>
> >> >> Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support
> >> arbitrary
> >> >> mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)
> >> >>
> >> >> - Alfred
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> -Original Message-
> >> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
> >> >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that
> pie
> >> >>>
> >> >> ;)
> >> >>
> >> >>> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in
> >> the
> >> >>> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to
> >> incorporate
> >> >>> achievements in their mods?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >> >>>> http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action?
> >> Some
> >> >>>> of the
> >> >>>> features look mighty tasty.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> - Benjamin Davison
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ___
> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit you

Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-30 Thread Maarten De Meyer
Reason is simple I think. Steam is a success already with some big
publishers using it. Valve does not need mods anymore to promote its
platform, on the contrary, we would only be in competition with the real
'paying' Valve clients and even be bad PR by offering lesser quality
products than the current Steam offer.

Plus if they would want to support even only the 'better' mods out there,
they'd still end up with a list of a few dozen mods, for which they'd have
to do the distribution etc, logistically this is very expensive. Not to
mention quality control, it'd be a nightmare.

Actually - and please don't read a reproach in this valve, from a business
point of view, they have no interest at all in supporting mods. If Steam
would not have become a success of its own, mods could have been
interesting to boost the platform, but now, they would be stupid to
support us logistically.

So in my eyes they're doing what they can within their business
constraints. They provide us with an extensive SDK, a mailing list +
personal email support, and Mike Durand's extra hours. They let us do the
distribution/versioning etc so that they don't offend their paying steam
publisher clients, but allow us to still use the platform.

I don't think we can ask for more really. Except maybe that yeah, they
shouldn't have made that promise earlier on [ if they really did, my
memory is already becoming vague on the subject :p ]


> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Remember that Valve promised Steam Delivery for Mods a long, long time
> ago,
> and for whatever reason, that never came to fruition. Don't hold your
> breath
> for anythin like this
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
>> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
>> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
>>
>> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
>> is newer, etc)
>> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
>>
>> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
>> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
>> download/installer? :P
>>
>> >> Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support
>> arbitrary
>> >> mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)
>> >>
>> >> - Alfred
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-
>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
>> >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
>> >>>
>> >> ;)
>> >>
>> >>> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in
>> the
>> >>> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to
>> incorporate
>> >>> achievements in their mods?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>> >>>> http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action?
>> Some
>> >>>> of the
>> >>>> features look mighty tasty.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> - Benjamin Davison
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ___
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>> >>>> archives, please visit:
>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
>> >>>>
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RE: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Chandler
I tried it out one day and its not that great.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam "amckern"
McKern
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

AH!

I would still like the steam tool, would seems to be
an intergrated effort more then a third party tool.

Not pissing the IsoTX guys, but from what I last saw
more the 14 Million people have Steam.

Adam


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> Beat you to the mark!
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 5:55 PM, Andrew Timson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 2008 1:28 AM, Adam amckern McKern
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of
> vapour
> >
> > Probably because it formed from the merger of
> Vapour and something
> > else (source: http://www.vapour-online.com/). :)
> >
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Adam "amckern" McKern
AH!

I would still like the steam tool, would seems to be
an intergrated effort more then a third party tool.

Not pissing the IsoTX guys, but from what I last saw
more the 14 Million people have Steam.

Adam


--- Matt Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Beat you to the mark!
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 5:55 PM, Andrew Timson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 30, 2008 1:28 AM, Adam amckern McKern
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of
> vapour
> >
> > Probably because it formed from the merger of
> Vapour and something
> > else (source: http://www.vapour-online.com/). :)
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Timson
> > ==
> > "Niceness is the greatest human flaw, except for
> all the others."
> > --Brendan Moody
> >
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Stafford
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Beat you to the mark!

On Jan 30, 2008 5:55 PM, Andrew Timson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 30, 2008 1:28 AM, Adam amckern McKern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of vapour
>
> Probably because it formed from the merger of Vapour and something
> else (source: http://www.vapour-online.com/). :)
>
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Andrew Timson
On Jan 30, 2008 1:28 AM, Adam amckern McKern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of vapour

Probably because it formed from the merger of Vapour and something
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Stafford
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Wasn't isotx's thing based on Vapour?

On Jan 30, 2008 5:48 PM, Cory de La Torre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> Thats cool, but still kinda lame, as many players wont like to download
> extra things, and install them for something like a Mod.
>
> On Jan 29, 2008 10:28 PM, Adam amckern McKern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of vapour
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > --- Mulchman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Have you seen CrosuS?
> > >
> > > www.crosus.com
> > >
> > > It's free and you can host your mod on it. We
> > > [Fortress Forever] have used
> > > it for our releases (as well as all the other means
> > > of mod releasing
> > > [torrents, web hosts, etc]).
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Benjamin Davison
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 14:22
> > > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> > > Subject: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece
> > > of that pie ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > > http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> > >
> > > Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on
> > > this action? Some of the
> > > features look mighty tasty.
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Benjamin Davison
> > > --
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Cory de La Torre
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Thats cool, but still kinda lame, as many players wont like to download
extra things, and install them for something like a Mod.

On Jan 29, 2008 10:28 PM, Adam amckern McKern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of vapour
>
> Adam
>
>
> --- Mulchman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Have you seen CrosuS?
> >
> > www.crosus.com
> >
> > It's free and you can host your mod on it. We
> > [Fortress Forever] have used
> > it for our releases (as well as all the other means
> > of mod releasing
> > [torrents, web hosts, etc]).
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Benjamin Davison
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 14:22
> > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> > Subject: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece
> > of that pie ;)
> >
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> >
> > Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on
> > this action? Some of the
> > features look mighty tasty.
> >
> > --
> > - Benjamin Davison
> > --
> >
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Adam "amckern" McKern
Ah the isotx platform, that remind's me of vapour

Adam


--- Mulchman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Have you seen CrosuS?
>
> www.crosus.com
>
> It's free and you can host your mod on it. We
> [Fortress Forever] have used
> it for our releases (as well as all the other means
> of mod releasing
> [torrents, web hosts, etc]).
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Benjamin Davison
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 14:22
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece
> of that pie ;)
>
> --
> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
>
> Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on
> this action? Some of the
> features look mighty tasty.
>
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Cory de La Torre
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Interlopers said it , I mean they could be wrong, but still, if this is what
We want it to be. Then this would be pretty awesome to use. But the next
question is if its easy to manage, or requires alot of server knowledge?

2008/1/29 Cale Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I see all of the news sites saying it is free, but I can't find anything
> official from Valve saying so.
>
> *nudges valve* eh? Eh?
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Leighton
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:57 PM
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
>
> I think thats wrong, anyone else think so?
>
> Brandon Dunham wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > :D Steam works appears to be free.
> >
>
> http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8880&Itemi
> d=2
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +
> >>
> >> Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers,
> its
> >> all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.
> >>
> >> Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows
> >>
> >> Brandon Dunham wrote:
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>>
> >>> This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
> ;)
> >>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +
> >>>>
> >>>> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> >>>> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> >>>> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
> >>>>
> >>>> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what
> update
> >>>> is newer, etc)
> >>>> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
> >>>>
> >>>> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> >>>> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> >>>> download/installer? :P
> >>>>
> >>>>
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RE: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Cale Dunlap
I see all of the news sites saying it is free, but I can't find anything
official from Valve saying so.

*nudges valve* eh? Eh?

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I think thats wrong, anyone else think so?

Brandon Dunham wrote:
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> :D Steam works appears to be free.
>
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8880&Itemi
d=2
>
>
>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +
>>
>> Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers, its
>> all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.
>>
>> Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows
>>
>> Brandon Dunham wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
>>>
>>> This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +
>>>>
>>>> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
>>>> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
>>>> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
>>>>
>>>> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
>>>> is newer, etc)
>>>> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
>>>>
>>>> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
>>>> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
>>>> download/installer? :P
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Cory de La Torre
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No its free, Gabe Confirmed it, however theres not much about this. I wonder
how its used.

On Jan 29, 2008 8:56 PM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think thats wrong, anyone else think so?
>
> Brandon Dunham wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > :D Steam works appears to be free.
> >
> http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8880&Itemid=2
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +
> >>
> >> Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers,
> its
> >> all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.
> >>
> >> Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows
> >>
> >> Brandon Dunham wrote:
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>>
> >>> This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
> ;)
> >>>> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +
> >>>>
> >>>> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> >>>> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> >>>> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
> >>>>
> >>>> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what
> update
> >>>> is newer, etc)
> >>>> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
> >>>>
> >>>> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> >>>> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> >>>> download/installer? :P
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> _
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> star power.
> >>>
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Leighton

I think thats wrong, anyone else think so?

Brandon Dunham wrote:

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:D Steam works appears to be free.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8880&Itemid=2




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +

Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers, its
all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.

Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows

Brandon Dunham wrote:


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This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +

Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add

Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
is newer, etc)
Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)

and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
download/installer? :P



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RE: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Brandon Dunham
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:D Steam works appears to be free.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8880&Itemid=2


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:07:31 +
>
> Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers, its
> all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.
>
> Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows
>
> Brandon Dunham wrote:
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >
> > This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
> >> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +
> >>
> >> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> >> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> >> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
> >>
> >> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
> >> is newer, etc)
> >> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
> >>
> >> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> >> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> >> download/installer? :P
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Leighton

Yeah, my idea being that VALVe dont store anything on their servers, its
all third party on the mod dev's servers, etc.

Maybe we will get suprised with something? :P who knows

Brandon Dunham wrote:

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This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +

Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add

Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
is newer, etc)
Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)

and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
download/installer? :P




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RE: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Brandon Dunham
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This would be a swell idea.  If only, if only. =/



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:23 +
>
> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
>
> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
> is newer, etc)
> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
>
> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> download/installer? :P


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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Stafford
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Remember that Valve promised Steam Delivery for Mods a long, long time ago,
and for whatever reason, that never came to fruition. Don't hold your breath
for anythin like this

On Jan 30, 2008 11:31 AM, Tom Leighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
> registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
> style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add
>
> Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
> is newer, etc)
> Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)
>
> and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
> steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
> download/installer? :P
>
> >> Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support
> arbitrary
> >> mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)
> >>
> >> - Alfred
> >>
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
> >>> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
> >>>
> >> ;)
> >>
> >>> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
> >>> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
> >>> achievements in their mods?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>>> http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> >>>>
> >>>> Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some
> >>>> of the
> >>>> features look mighty tasty.
> >>>>
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Leighton

Could VALVe not implement an api where that a mod "ID" if you will is
registered with SteamWorks, (no need for anything fancy, maybe a guid
style id, or simply a number), and then the mod developers can add

Update URL (Update location, maybe some data files to tell what update
is newer, etc)
Stats URL (Stats location, used for achievements, etc)

and stuff like that. It means valve dont store anything, we can have
steam functionality, and maybe even an integrated steam
download/installer? :P


Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support arbitrary
mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)

- Alfred



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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie


;)


Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
achievements in their mods?


On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:



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http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/

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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Matt Stafford
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Pity.
Adam, I'd hazard a guess that Valve use an underlying Steam API to send
achievement data to their servers, the same way they did the Ep1 stats. The
code is there, but you can't actually use it for storing stuff. So I'm not
sure if we can easily incorporate things or whatever, but it may just be
easier to write your own from the ground up anyway.

On Jan 30, 2008 9:48 AM, Alfred Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support arbitrary
> mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)
>
> - Alfred
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
> ;)
> >
> > Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
> > SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
> > achievements in their mods?
> >
> >
> > On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
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> > > http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> > >
> > > Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some
> > > of the
> > > features look mighty tasty.
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RE: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Alfred Reynolds
Not at this time, we don't have a pipeline in place to support arbitrary
mods let alone the infrastructure for it :)

- Alfred

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:27 PM
> To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie
;)
>
> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
> achievements in their mods?
>
>
> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
>
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> >
> > Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some
> > of the
> > features look mighty tasty.
> >
> > --
> > - Benjamin Davison
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Ryan Sheffer
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dammit Valve, is there no end to your money making? ;)

On Jan 29, 2008 2:26 PM, Adam Buckland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
> SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
> achievements in their mods?
>
>
> On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:
>
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
> >
> > Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some
> > of the
> > features look mighty tasty.
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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Adam Buckland

Actually, on another note, there's the achievement manager code in the
SDK code. Does this mean that mod authors will be able to incorporate
achievements in their mods?


On 29 Jan 2008, at 22:21, Benjamin Davison wrote:


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http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/

Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some
of the
features look mighty tasty.

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Re: [hlcoders] SteamWorks we should get a piece of that pie ;)

2008-01-29 Thread Adam Maras (memzero)

Want.

//   Adam Maras (memzero)

Benjamin Davison wrote:

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http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/

Are mod authors ever going to be able to get in on this action? Some of the
features look mighty tasty.

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