Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
I agree with BK opening up the zilla to the public would be a great idea! It can always be secured later on if things go bad. BTW, zilla is very good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:57 PM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page Thanks much, Mike! I requested this on several occasions long ago. If only there'd been a bugzilla database at the time, in order to register my request for a bugzilla database... Unless we see a flood of bugzilla vandalism, allowing anyone to submit a zilla seems fine. In general, large public projects always have public bugzillas, and I've never seen them be abused so much that they had to be locked down. Bugzilla allows for fairly fine-grained control over who can reassign zillas and such, so it shouldn't be a problem. So Mike were you going to add a zilla for the other existing KIs, or what... I don't want to start filing and end up with wasted effort and zilla dupes. At 2006/09/06 03:26 AM, Robbie Groenewoudt wrote: >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting >only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the >other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are >added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > >On 9/6/06, Matt Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Great idea (although >> I'm a MantisBT man myself :P) >> >> On 9/6/06, Benjamin Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > -- >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] There is also >> > collective.valve-erc.com >> > >> > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla >> > > accounts to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? >> > > >> > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki >> > > was the only thing available?) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > - Benjamin Davison >> > -- >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Matt Stafford (Wraiyth) >> http://wraiyth.freesuperhost.com >> NightFall HL2 Mod - http://nightfall.nigredostudios.com >> -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >-- > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Glad you like it! Yes, I am planning to create Bugzilla issues that correspond to the list of Known Issues. I want to get the shaders fixed and the SDK updated first. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 5:57 PM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page Thanks much, Mike! I requested this on several occasions long ago. If only there'd been a bugzilla database at the time, in order to register my request for a bugzilla database... Unless we see a flood of bugzilla vandalism, allowing anyone to submit a zilla seems fine. In general, large public projects always have public bugzillas, and I've never seen them be abused so much that they had to be locked down. Bugzilla allows for fairly fine-grained control over who can reassign zillas and such, so it shouldn't be a problem. So Mike were you going to add a zilla for the other existing KIs, or what... I don't want to start filing and end up with wasted effort and zilla dupes. At 2006/09/06 03:26 AM, Robbie Groenewoudt wrote: >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting >only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the >other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are >added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > >On 9/6/06, Matt Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Great idea (although >> I'm a MantisBT man myself :P) >> >> On 9/6/06, Benjamin Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > -- >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] There is also >> > collective.valve-erc.com >> > >> > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla >> > > accounts to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? >> > > >> > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki >> > > was the only thing available?) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > - Benjamin Davison >> > -- >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > archives, please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Matt Stafford (Wraiyth) >> http://wraiyth.freesuperhost.com >> NightFall HL2 Mod - http://nightfall.nigredostudios.com >> -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >-- > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Thanks much, Mike! I requested this on several occasions long ago. If only there'd been a bugzilla database at the time, in order to register my request for a bugzilla database... Unless we see a flood of bugzilla vandalism, allowing anyone to submit a zilla seems fine. In general, large public projects always have public bugzillas, and I've never seen them be abused so much that they had to be locked down. Bugzilla allows for fairly fine-grained control over who can reassign zillas and such, so it shouldn't be a problem. So Mike were you going to add a zilla for the other existing KIs, or what... I don't want to start filing and end up with wasted effort and zilla dupes. At 2006/09/06 03:26 AM, Robbie Groenewoudt wrote: >-- >[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >What about letting only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to >bugzilla and the other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent >that bugs are added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > >On 9/6/06, Matt Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Great idea (although I'm a MantisBT man myself :P) >> >> On 9/6/06, Benjamin Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > -- >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> > There is also collective.valve-erc.com >> > >> > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >> > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts >> > > to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? >> > > >> > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was >> > > the only thing available?) >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > - Benjamin Davison >> > -- >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Matt Stafford (Wraiyth) >> http://wraiyth.freesuperhost.com >> NightFall HL2 Mod - http://nightfall.nigredostudios.com >> -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >-- > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
I considered that, but I didn't want to assume that everyone on the list would want to opt in to Bugzilla. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:08 PM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page why not just skip the registration and tie everything into the already existing accounts for the hlcoders mailing list On 9/6/06, dackz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any chance it could be expanded to include non-SDK things? You guys > seem to forget about most of the bugs I email about. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
why not just skip the registration and tie everything into the already existing accounts for the hlcoders mailing list On 9/6/06, dackz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any chance it could be expanded to include non-SDK things? You guys seem to forget about most of the bugs I email about. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Any chance it could be expanded to include non-SDK things? You guys seem to forget about most of the bugs I email about. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/ DocumentIndex ... index.cgi Robbie Groenewoudt wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] After registering I've got the email with my password, with the link http://localhost/cgi-bin/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi One small detail to fix :) Anyway, let the bug-registering begin! On 9/6/06, Mike Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's fixed now. Sorry about that. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Durand Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:53 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page I'll look into the user registration problem immediately. It was working fine before. I swear. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Swigart Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:30 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please fix the registration. Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent some work in the VDC. But what you are saying is true On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the list and wishes to submit a bug? Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that sort of way! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie Groenewoudt Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
It's fixed now. Sorry about that. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Durand Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:53 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page I'll look into the user registration problem immediately. It was working fine before. I swear. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Swigart Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:30 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please fix the registration. Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. > > On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that > > VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent > > some work in the VDC. > > But what you are saying is true > > > > On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > > > > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the > > > list > and > > > wishes to submit a bug? > > > > > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that > > > sort > of > > > way! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > > > Groenewoudt > > > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > > > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about > > > letting > only > > > the > > > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the > > > other > users > > > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added > > > that > are > > > not > > > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] After registering I've got the email with my password, with the link http://localhost/cgi-bin/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi One small detail to fix :) Anyway, let the bug-registering begin! On 9/6/06, Mike Durand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's fixed now. Sorry about that. > > -Mike > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Durand > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:53 AM > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > I'll look into the user registration problem immediately. It was working > fine before. I swear. :) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy > Swigart > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:30 AM > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please fix the > registration. > > Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE > / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. > > > > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. > > > > On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that > > > > VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent > > > some work in the VDC. > > > But what you are saying is true > > > > > > On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > > > > > > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the > > > > list > > and > > > > wishes to submit a bug? > > > > > > > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that > > > > sort > > of > > > > way! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > > > > > Groenewoudt > > > > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > > > > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > > > > > > > -- > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about > > > > letting > > only > > > > the > > > > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the > > > > other > > users > > > > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added > > > > that > > are > > > > not > > > > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
I'll look into the user registration problem immediately. It was working fine before. I swear. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Swigart Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:30 AM To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please fix the registration. Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. > > On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that > > VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent > > some work in the VDC. > > But what you are saying is true > > > > On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > > > > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the > > > list > and > > > wishes to submit a bug? > > > > > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that > > > sort > of > > > way! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > > > Groenewoudt > > > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > > > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about > > > letting > only > > > the > > > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the > > > other > users > > > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added > > > that > are > > > not > > > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Please fix the registration. Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. > > On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > I'm not saying that VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC > > users who spent some work in the VDC. > > But what you are saying is true > > > > On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > > > > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the list > and > > > wishes to submit a bug? > > > > > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that sort > of > > > way! > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > > > Groenewoudt > > > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > > > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting > only > > > the > > > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other > users > > > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that > are > > > not > > > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Inexperienced users can, and do contribute. On 9/6/06, Robbie Groenewoudt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent some work in the VDC. But what you are saying is true On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the list and > wishes to submit a bug? > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that sort of > way! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > Groenewoudt > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting only > the > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other users > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that are > not > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm not saying that VDC users are more experienced, I'm saying only VDC users who spent some work in the VDC. But what you are saying is true On 9/6/06, Chris Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? > > What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the list and > wishes to submit a bug? > > Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that sort of > way! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie > Groenewoudt > Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 > To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting only > the > more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other users > just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that are > not > confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Who's to say which VDC users are 'more experienced'? What if a person isn't a member of the VDC, is a member of the list and wishes to submit a bug? Basically, you can't limit membership to the bug tracker in that sort of way! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robbie Groenewoudt Sent: 06 September 2006 09:26 To: hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I'm getting the same error when I try to register. On 9/6/06, Sylvain Rochette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Software error: > Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / > at > /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. > For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), > giving this error message and the time and date of the error. > > I got that when i register > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Durand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:15 PM > Subject: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page > > > > Hi All- > > > > It's proving to be really difficult (at least for me) to keep track of > > the SDK bugs and requested features via this mailing list and the > > various chat boards that the community has set up. Therefore, I have > > added a Bugzilla (http://www.bugzilla.org/) defect tracking server to > > the VDC website at http://developer.valvesoftware.com/bugzilla. > > > > Of course, the VDC Wiki will remain available for everyone but I think > > that it shines as a documentation tool - not as an issue tracker. Just > > as the forums and lists shine as idea and advice exchanges - not as > > issue trackers. > > > > I'm hoping that this additional tool will help me prioritize issues more > > objectively as well as free many of the the community contributors from > > the need to act as human bug tracking databases. I'm sure that there > > will be kinks to work out, but I'm confident that this will make our > > jobs easier in the long run. > > > > Why Do We Need This? > > > > > > Lots of open source projects provide these servers to the community as a > > concise communication tool between developers and users and it can work > > really well. This will provide several advantages over the present > > system of Wiki and forum based issue tracking. > > > > 1. Issue Severity Management - this tool will help me to prioritize > > issues by allowing members of the community to vote for the bugs / > > feature requests that matter to them. Since Valve doesn't have a lot of > > resources dedicated to the SDK it has been a problem deciding what > > issues to address in the sea of bug reports and requests that show up in > > this list and on various forums. > > > > 2. Searchability - When you see an issue for the first time you will be > > able to search Bugzilla to see if it exists in the database already. If > > there is then (hopefully) you will see the workaround, the status, and > > the expected delivery of the fix. This should reduce the amount of > > redundant posts and e-mail threads that we see in this list and on the > > boards. To me the boards are at their "best" when people use them to > > exchange ideas and experience - so I'm hoping that this new system > > allows you all to spend less time tracking issues and more time talking > > about mod development. > > > > 3. Notification - Bugzilla can send you e-mail when the status of an > > issue you care about changes. Again, this should result in you spending > > less time wondering whether a bug is fixed and make it easier than > > polling the list (or me) for the answer. > > > > Registering As A User > > * > > You can give yourself a Bugzilla account by following this link: > > http://developer.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi > > > > I would suggest that you all use the same e-mail address that you use in > > lists/boards for consistency's sake. Note that you can query bugs > > without registering as a user of the system. > > > > User Conduct > > > > Pretty much the same guidelines that we have in the boards, lists, and > > VDC Wiki. Please don't use profanity and don't use the Bugzilla comments > > as a means of corresponding with others - that's what the boards are > > for. > > > > Entering Bugs > > * > > You can open bugs against each of the products that comprise the Source > > SDK. Before adding a new bug or feature request please query the > > existing bugs to make sure it has not already been opened. Also, please > > only open a bug if you have confirmed through discussion with others on > > a chat board or list that the bug really exists. > > > > Please use as much detail as is necessary to describe the issue or > > feature request and classify it as well as possible using the component, > > severity, and version fields. Don't worry about priority, OS, platform, > > or target milestone fields - I'll change those. And if there is not a > > suitable component name available for a bug that you want to enter > > please use "Unspecified" until I can add the proper component name. > > > > Updating Bugs > > * > > If you have comments to add regarding an opened bug you can feel free to > > add to them to the bug. Especially welcome would be workarounds to > > issues. I think that it's still appropriate to discus
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What about letting only the more experienced users on the VDC add bugs to bugzilla and the other users just use the wiki-pages. This would prevent that bugs are added that are not confirmed or just aren't undocumented well. On 9/6/06, Matt Stafford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Great idea (although I'm a MantisBT man myself :P) > > On 9/6/06, Benjamin Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > There is also collective.valve-erc.com > > > > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts > > > to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? > > > > > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was > > > the only thing available?) > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Benjamin Davison > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > -- > Matt Stafford (Wraiyth) > http://wraiyth.freesuperhost.com > NightFall HL2 Mod - http://nightfall.nigredostudios.com > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Great idea (although I'm a MantisBT man myself :P) On 9/6/06, Benjamin Davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > There is also collective.valve-erc.com > > On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts > > to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? > > > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was > > the only thing available?) > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > > -- > - Benjamin Davison > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- Matt Stafford (Wraiyth) http://wraiyth.freesuperhost.com NightFall HL2 Mod - http://nightfall.nigredostudios.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Nick: why would you want/need to do this? As far as the bugtracker... It's about time! ;) The wiki really gets unmanageable after a while with bugs/code... Scott Nick wrote: Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was the only thing available?) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] There is also collective.valve-erc.com On 9/6/06, Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts > to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? > > (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was > the only thing available?) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > -- - Benjamin Davison -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Bugzilla is a great idea! Is there someway to link bugzilla accounts to the hlcoders mailing list accounts? (btw: What boards? I thought that hlcoders mailing list and wiki was the only thing available?) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page
Software error: Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at /usr/share/bugzilla/lib/globals.pl line 699. For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. I got that when i register - Original Message - From: "Mike Durand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: [hlcoders] SDK Bug Tracking Web Page Hi All- It's proving to be really difficult (at least for me) to keep track of the SDK bugs and requested features via this mailing list and the various chat boards that the community has set up. Therefore, I have added a Bugzilla (http://www.bugzilla.org/) defect tracking server to the VDC website at http://developer.valvesoftware.com/bugzilla. Of course, the VDC Wiki will remain available for everyone but I think that it shines as a documentation tool - not as an issue tracker. Just as the forums and lists shine as idea and advice exchanges - not as issue trackers. I'm hoping that this additional tool will help me prioritize issues more objectively as well as free many of the the community contributors from the need to act as human bug tracking databases. I'm sure that there will be kinks to work out, but I'm confident that this will make our jobs easier in the long run. Why Do We Need This? Lots of open source projects provide these servers to the community as a concise communication tool between developers and users and it can work really well. This will provide several advantages over the present system of Wiki and forum based issue tracking. 1. Issue Severity Management - this tool will help me to prioritize issues by allowing members of the community to vote for the bugs / feature requests that matter to them. Since Valve doesn't have a lot of resources dedicated to the SDK it has been a problem deciding what issues to address in the sea of bug reports and requests that show up in this list and on various forums. 2. Searchability - When you see an issue for the first time you will be able to search Bugzilla to see if it exists in the database already. If there is then (hopefully) you will see the workaround, the status, and the expected delivery of the fix. This should reduce the amount of redundant posts and e-mail threads that we see in this list and on the boards. To me the boards are at their "best" when people use them to exchange ideas and experience - so I'm hoping that this new system allows you all to spend less time tracking issues and more time talking about mod development. 3. Notification - Bugzilla can send you e-mail when the status of an issue you care about changes. Again, this should result in you spending less time wondering whether a bug is fixed and make it easier than polling the list (or me) for the answer. Registering As A User * You can give yourself a Bugzilla account by following this link: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi I would suggest that you all use the same e-mail address that you use in lists/boards for consistency's sake. Note that you can query bugs without registering as a user of the system. User Conduct Pretty much the same guidelines that we have in the boards, lists, and VDC Wiki. Please don't use profanity and don't use the Bugzilla comments as a means of corresponding with others - that's what the boards are for. Entering Bugs * You can open bugs against each of the products that comprise the Source SDK. Before adding a new bug or feature request please query the existing bugs to make sure it has not already been opened. Also, please only open a bug if you have confirmed through discussion with others on a chat board or list that the bug really exists. Please use as much detail as is necessary to describe the issue or feature request and classify it as well as possible using the component, severity, and version fields. Don't worry about priority, OS, platform, or target milestone fields - I'll change those. And if there is not a suitable component name available for a bug that you want to enter please use "Unspecified" until I can add the proper component name. Updating Bugs * If you have comments to add regarding an opened bug you can feel free to add to them to the bug. Especially welcome would be workarounds to issues. I think that it's still appropriate to discuss workarounds in lists and boards, but putting it in Bugzilla as well will make it easier to find. Voting on Issues This is the most useful feature of the tool. By voting for a particular issue you can make it known to us how many teams are depending on an issue to be fixed. Please take the time to go through the bug list periodically and vote for the issues that you need fixed to make your mod better. Please don't vote on things that you don't really need so that I can prioritize tasks effec
