Re: [hlds] Need help with commands and working server
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secondly i've downloaded a amx_mod and dont know how to get it running http://quake2.telestream.com/amx/ -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need help with commands and working server
You could google on Amx Mod with metamod installers also, wouldnt have to do all the confusing manual work like me. lol. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Need help with commands and working server > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > u have to make an addons folder in the cstrike folder, put the metamod > folder in the addons folder, then you to change your liblist.gam in your cstrike > folder to point to metamod.dll . > gamedll "addons\metamod\dlls\metamod.dll" > ;gamedll "dlls\mp.dll" > > got it? > Talibankiller > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need help with commands and working server
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] u have to make an addons folder in the cstrike folder, put the metamod folder in the addons folder, then you to change your liblist.gam in your cstrike folder to point to metamod.dll . gamedll "addons\metamod\dlls\metamod.dll" ;gamedll "dlls\mp.dll" got it? Talibankiller -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Need help with commands and working server
Hey i have a few problems that you guys probably know the answers too. First off i don't know how to get new maps on the server im running. Secondly i've downloaded a amx_mod and dont know how to get it running on the server... Please help me out i will be grateful ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
Make sure you are not using an account that is already assigned to a client. The password is case sensitive. If the first account you created for the server doesn't work then create one that does. Servers do not require CDKeys. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:18 PM okay one final thing when i edit the mod and replace the e-mail and password with the ones i used to create the account it says the accout doesnt exist or the password is wrong... once again im stuck, you dont have to confirm your account or pay anything right? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
Make a shortcut to HldsUpdateTool. Right clcik the shortcut, and where it says Target: add the parameters you want after HldsUpdateTool.exe - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Need server help okay one final thing when i edit the mod and replace the e-mail and password with the ones i used to create the account it says the accout doesnt exist or the password is wrong... once again im stuck, you dont have to confirm your account or pay anything right? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My HldsUpdateTool.exe is in the :\HLServer folder. I just go to cmd on a windows server and type: HldsUpdateTool.exe -update cstrike c:\HLServer myemailaddress emailpassword y And that updates it. -DOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah the problem is its not version 8 yet its trying to download into version 8 for some reason when i use commands like -create. What im saying is i type C:\HLserver\hldsupdatetool.exe -create and all the information but it keeps saying Getting bootstrap version . . . Downloading . . . . . . . Unable to open HldsUpdateTool.exe for reading (Copying) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Hotwheels Website: http://store.cybergamezone.com Scorpion Energy Drink Website: http://scorpion-energydrink.com Gaming Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.net - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
okay one final thing when i edit the mod and replace the e-mail and password with the ones i used to create the account it says the accout doesnt exist or the password is wrong... once again im stuck, you dont have to confirm your account or pay anything right? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
1. Make sure you are logged in with admin privileges. 2. Make sure HLDSUpdatetool is in the c:\hlserver folder (or wherever the server is) and not on your desktop or temporary file area. 3. just click on HLDSUpdatetool with no commandline arguments and it will self-update to the latest version. 4. Then do account creates and updates to your MODs. 5. If the HLDSUpdatetool is not located in the same folder as the server root, then you need to be sure to add the -dir path information. http://home.covad.net/~k25125/Server/HLDSUpdatetool_FAQ.htm qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:19 PM Yeah the problem is its not version 8 yet its trying to download into version 8 for some reason when i use commands like -create. What im saying is i type C:\HLserver\hldsupdatetool.exe -create and all the information but it keeps saying Getting bootstrap version . . . Downloading . . . . . . . Unable to open HldsUpdateTool.exe for reading (Copying) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails?
Looks like the Mailman config db for this list got corrupted somehow, reseting the config parameter fixed it. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails? > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > Pong. > > Original Message > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:29 PM To: > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden > HTML emails? > >> Noticed the hlcoders list also seems to allow attachments now. (well >> maybe it always did and I didn't notice) but someone sent a nice >> infected.exe in there today. (proportedly from erik..lol) >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Timothy Lynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:20 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails? >> >> >> We're seeing a lot of content types besides text/plain come through >> the lists these past few days. Has something been reset on the server >> side? > -- > Content-Description: test.txt > > asdfasdfasdfasd ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Need server help
Yeah the problem is its not version 8 yet its trying to download into version 8 for some reason when i use commands like -create. What im saying is i type C:\HLserver\hldsupdatetool.exe -create and all the information but it keeps saying Getting bootstrap version . . . Downloading . . . . . . . Unable to open HldsUpdateTool.exe for reading (Copying) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- Pong. Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:29 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails? > Noticed the hlcoders list also seems to allow attachments now. (well > maybe it always did and I didn't notice) but someone sent a nice > infected.exe in there today. (proportedly from erik..lol) > > > > -Original Message- > From: Timothy Lynn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [hlds] [OT] Why the sudden HTML emails? > > > We're seeing a lot of content types besides text/plain come through > the lists these past few days. Has something been reset on the server > side? -- Content-Description: test.txt asdfasdfasdfasd -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] A problem creating a steam accout!?
Hey my problem is when i run the dos prompt run the hldsupdatetool.exe using C:\HLserver\HLDSupdatetool.exe and try to create an account using C:\HLserver\HLDSupdatetool.exe -create my username mypw question answer it starts to say Checking bootstrapper version ... Getting version 8 of the steam HLDS Update tool Downloading. . . . . . . . Unable to open HldsUpdateTool.exe for reading (Copying) what am i doing wrong and what can i do to fix it? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
I don't joke. It lags a bit, and is steady though. I'll tar an example kit for you guys. - Original Message - From: "Napier, Kevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > LOL.. you are joking right? > -Original Message- > From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory > > will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely > > unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one of > > the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your goal > > (via taskman). > > > > -- Rob. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > > Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds will > > be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers (20+ > > dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one logical > > cpu while the other remains idle. > > > > Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. > > > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > > > If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... > > One > > OS and one APP thread. > > It's mo better > > Same I think with HT in a P4 > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. > > > > (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for > > the > > other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But > > simply > > having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going to take > > advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > > > Dave, > > When your HLDS.exe is running, > > > > Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the > > HLDS.exe > > process. > > > > Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. > > > > Anyone else know how many threads? > > Is my memory old? > > > > Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT > > would > > still help any box. > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with > > it. > > > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley > > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > > Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple of > > days > > ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the bios for w2k > > machines". > > > > I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed > > to > > replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). > > > > The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a > > departure > > was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single P4 can > > execute > > multiple threads? > > > > I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS of > > course has several threads). > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM > > To: '[EMAIL PROT
Re: [hlds] Need server help
Go into the directory hldsupdatetool is in. Also, version 8 of the hldsupdatetool uses new params as listed below: Use: hldsupdatetool -command [parameters] [flags] Commands: create: Create a Steam Account parameters: -username - Username of Steam account (case-insensitive) -email - Email address -password - Password for the account (case-sensitive) -question - Password reminder question -answer - Password reminder secret answer (case-sensitiv e) For example: hldsupdatetool -command create -username foobar -email [EMAIL PROTECTED] om -password pasSwoRd -question "cat's name?" -answer Gordo update: Install or update HLDS parameters: -game - Mod name: cstrike, tfc, dod, dmc, valve, czero , or ricochet -dir- HLDS Install dir -username - Steam username -password - Password (if username, password, or dir not specified, will use value from last run of tool) flags: -remember_password - Remember Steam password so is not needed next time -verify_all - Verify all HLDS files are up to date -retry - Automatically retry every 30 seconds if the St eam Network is busy For example: hldsupdatetool -command update -game cstrike -dir c:\hlds -usern ame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -password pasSwoRd -remember_password version: View installed versions Optional parameters for all commands: - Original Message - From: "Sales @ Superserver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Need server help > Example below > > C:\HLServer\HldsUpdateTool.exe -update czero c:\HLserver username password > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:13 AM > Subject: [hlds] Need server help > > > Hey my problem is im trying to run the hldsupdatetool using dos > prompt. It keeps saying that hldsupdatetool.exe is not regonized as an > internal or external command, operable program or batch file. what should i > do or what am i doing wrong? > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue
Like I would ever get anything wrong in the first place ;) Regards, Ryan Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mike Munoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > Actually "Moot Point" is the correct terminology.. > > Excerpt from my Random House College dictionary: > > Moot, adj. 1. subject to argument or discussion; debatable; doubtful: a moot > point. 2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. > There's more, but I think you get the point! > > A link to an online dictionary also.. > http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/m/m0415900.html > > Before you guys start Flaming me even bothering to post this, I had this > information on hand due to a recent "discussion" with my wife about the > EXACT same thing! LOL > > Mike ParaDOX Munoz > > www.paradisesgarage.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > Actually it isn't a moot point but a mute point... Just to clarify... > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > moot point now guys, business can resume, hotfix been released. > > Nothing to see here, move along. > > Regards, > > Ryan Lewis > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "James Bowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:09 AM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > Now that is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard...You need to > > remember that a lot of us on this list are not just end users who > > happen > to > > rent a server. Most of us are business owners who run GSPs and > > shutting down would be stupid and cost us more money than it is worth. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:17 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > I gave up and shut down till something's done. > > > > Maybe, just maybe, if everyone did the same for a show of unity and to > send > > a message that we're tired of the bullshit maybe just maybe we'd get > through > > to valve just a thought. > > > > Regards > > - Original Message - > > From: "Pawel Dabrowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > > > > Just wanna verify those who had this problem are you still having it > > > with the latest mp.dll? > > > Is there any other fix anyone knows of appart from replacing the > > > mp.dll to the older one? > > > > > > Pawel Dabrowski > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane > > > Robinett > > > Sent: 16 June 2004 14:42 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Windows systems, > > > Intel - Win 2003 environments, dual processor > > > > > > I have 14 open calls from public server clients reporting lag issues. > > 10-30 > > > second freezes for client connections. Restarting the server seems > > > to resolve it, for a short term. Problem appears to have started in > > > the last day or two. > > > > > > Valve - If you need access to some of our resources, just let me know. > > > Happy to provide test servers for your breaking amusement! > > > > > > --Shane > > > PHXX.NET > > > -- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://l
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
Check out this FPS http://www.jointopsthegame.com/default.asp It bosts of 150 player servers for the retail and a 100 player server for the demo version. Quoting "Darren J. Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have always been in favor of huge maps and tons of players. I think > Battlefield 1942 has made good strides at keeping large maps with tons of > players fun, but quality of gameplay has suffered under every title so. The > magic of CS has always been that you can play / operate a server using > minimal configurations. Until everyone is on DSL or cable or better :) and > running 3Ghz cpus I think we are doomed to smaller maps played on realistic > configurations. > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
I have always been in favor of huge maps and tons of players. I think Battlefield 1942 has made good strides at keeping large maps with tons of players fun, but quality of gameplay has suffered under every title so. The magic of CS has always been that you can play / operate a server using minimal configurations. Until everyone is on DSL or cable or better :) and running 3Ghz cpus I think we are doomed to smaller maps played on realistic configurations. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Aldrich Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If this is true it really could change the face of it. Imagine running huge game, with each server running a portion of the map. You could have a map like Manhattan, or Hollywood with hundreds of players. I know crazy thought, but so was the light bulb at the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original Message - From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory > will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely > unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one > of the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your > goal (via taskman). > > -- Rob. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds > will be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers > (20+ dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one > logical cpu while the other remains idle. > > Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... > One > OS and one APP thread. > It's mo better > Same I think with HT in a P4 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. > > (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for > the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But > simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going > to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) > > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > Dave, > When your HLDS.exe is running, > > Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the > HLDS.exe process. > > Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. > > Anyone else know how many threads? > Is my memory old? > > Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT > would still help any box. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with > it. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike > Bradley > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple > of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the > bios for w2k machines". > > I am not that familiar wit
Re: [hlds] Need server help
Ok now im trying to create my account but it keeps running the program and trying to download the version it keeps saying unable to open HldsUpdatetool.exe for reading (copying). What should i do now? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
Rob, I don't know much bout HT but I do know that MP will help HLDS for the simple reason that there are always a 100 or so OS threads, Lets say that HLDS.exe calls an API to transmit a block of data out of an existing UDP socket (to a client's PC for example). Several threads not related to HLDS.exe will transition to Kernel mode to handle this so having two or more processors WILL make a difference. You will be able to simultaneously run one thread per processor. Besides there ARE more than one thread in HLDS.exe and not just one thread does most of the work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Harwood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? The game is essentially single threaded, multiple processors/hyperthreading will have minimal effect on performance. Performance may increase on a multiprocessor setup in that the overall amount of available CPU power is increased so tasks can be serviced better (obviously two processors of a certain speed are better than one if the same speed), but you wont see any major impact, and with hyperthreading even less so. With HL(DS) you want to be thinking less in terms of threads and more in terms of how busy the processors are overall. -- Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: 24 June 2004 18:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... One OS and one APP thread. It's mo better Same I think with HT in a P4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave, When your HLDS.exe is running, Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the HLDS.exe process. Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. Anyone else know how many threads? Is my memory old? Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT would still help any box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with it. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the bios for w2k machines". I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed to replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a departure was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single P4 can execute multiple threads? I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS of course has several threads). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. win2k however does not take advantage of HT reguardless. I think someone mentioned that it didn't 'support' it, what they meant was it didn't take advantage of it, not that there were problems with in on win2k. Not sure really why we're talking about this as HT doesn't help hlds much if at all, infact there was some discussion last year on this list that seemed to indicate it hurt more then helped. (now if your running hlds and many other items on the box..yeah it might help you.) btw intel does not go around telling people to disable HT on win2k boxes, that's not to say however that in same rare cases it can be benificial, such as dedicated gaming server systems. -Original Message- From: David Fencik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I thought this was addres
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
I know very little about HT but I thought that it was based in actual silicon. In other words more than one thread can run at the same time. Am I wrong? It seams the term "Virtual CPU" would then be misleading? I don't know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Harwood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one of the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your goal (via taskman). -- Rob. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds will be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers (20+ dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one logical cpu while the other remains idle. Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... One OS and one APP thread. It's mo better Same I think with HT in a P4 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) -Original Message- From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Dave, When your HLDS.exe is running, Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the HLDS.exe process. Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. Anyone else know how many threads? Is my memory old? Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT would still help any box. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with it. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the bios for w2k machines". I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed to replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a departure was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single P4 can execute multiple threads? I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS of course has several threads). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. win2k however does not take advantage of HT reguardless. I think someone mentioned that it didn't 'support' it, what they meant was it didn't take advantage of it, not that there were problems with in on win2k. Not sure really why we're talking about this as HT doesn't help hlds much if at all, infact there was some discussion last year on this list that seemed to indicate it hurt more then helped. (now if your running hlds and many other items on the box..yeah it might help you.) btw intel does not go around telling people to disable HT on win2k boxes, that's not to say however that in same rare cases it can be benificial, such as dedicated gaming server systems. -Original Message- F
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
You mean like they do for the MMORPG's (Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game) like Anarchy Online, Everquest, City of Heroes etc...? I would love something like that for a game like CS! PlanetSide is a FPS MMO that falls short of the excitement of a game like CS or DOD or even NS! LOL Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Peter Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? If this is true it really could change the face of it. Imagine running huge game, with each server running a portion of the map. You could have a map like Manhattan, or Hollywood with hundreds of players. I know crazy thought, but so was the light bulb at the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original Message - From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory > will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely > unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one > of the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your > goal (via taskman). > > -- Rob. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds > will be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers > (20+ dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one > logical cpu while the other remains idle. > > Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... > One > OS and one APP thread. > It's mo better > Same I think with HT in a P4 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. > > (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for > the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But > simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going > to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) > > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > Dave, > When your HLDS.exe is running, > > Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the > HLDS.exe process. > > Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. > > Anyone else know how many threads? > Is my memory old? > > Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT > would still help any box. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with > it. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike > Bradley > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple > of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the > bios for w2k machines". > > I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed > to replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). > > The Pentium 4 supposedly can not b
RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue
Actually "Moot Point" is the correct terminology.. Excerpt from my Random House College dictionary: Moot, adj. 1. subject to argument or discussion; debatable; doubtful: a moot point. 2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. There's more, but I think you get the point! A link to an online dictionary also.. http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/m/m0415900.html Before you guys start Flaming me even bothering to post this, I had this information on hand due to a recent "discussion" with my wife about the EXACT same thing! LOL Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: Peter Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue Actually it isn't a moot point but a mute point... Just to clarify... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Lewis Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue moot point now guys, business can resume, hotfix been released. Nothing to see here, move along. Regards, Ryan Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "James Bowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:09 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > Now that is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard...You need to > remember that a lot of us on this list are not just end users who > happen to > rent a server. Most of us are business owners who run GSPs and > shutting down would be stupid and cost us more money than it is worth. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > I gave up and shut down till something's done. > > Maybe, just maybe, if everyone did the same for a show of unity and to send > a message that we're tired of the bullshit maybe just maybe we'd get through > to valve just a thought. > > Regards > - Original Message - > From: "Pawel Dabrowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:09 AM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > Just wanna verify those who had this problem are you still having it > > with the latest mp.dll? > > Is there any other fix anyone knows of appart from replacing the > > mp.dll to the older one? > > > > Pawel Dabrowski > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shane > > Robinett > > Sent: 16 June 2004 14:42 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [hlds] Latest Win Version, HLDS - Lag Issue > > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Windows systems, > > Intel - Win 2003 environments, dual processor > > > > I have 14 open calls from public server clients reporting lag issues. > 10-30 > > second freezes for client connections. Restarting the server seems > > to resolve it, for a short term. Problem appears to have started in > > the last day or two. > > > > Valve - If you need access to some of our resources, just let me know. > > Happy to provide test servers for your breaking amusement! > > > > --Shane > > PHXX.NET > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
If this is true it really could change the face of it. Imagine running huge game, with each server running a portion of the map. You could have a map like Manhattan, or Hollywood with hundreds of players. I know crazy thought, but so was the light bulb at the time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:23 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original Message - From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory > will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely > unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one > of the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your > goal (via taskman). > > -- Rob. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds > will be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers > (20+ dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one > logical cpu while the other remains idle. > > Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... > One > OS and one APP thread. > It's mo better > Same I think with HT in a P4 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. > > (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for > the other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But > simply having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going > to take advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) > > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > Dave, > When your HLDS.exe is running, > > Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the > HLDS.exe process. > > Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. > > Anyone else know how many threads? > Is my memory old? > > Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT > would still help any box. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with > it. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike > Bradley > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple > of days ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the > bios for w2k machines". > > I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed > to replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). > > The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a > departure was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single > P4 can execute multiple threads? > > I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS > of course has several threads). > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Yes service pack 4 did address as I
RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003?
LOL.. you are joking right? -Original Message- From: James Nine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? I got a hlds server to work through distributed computing via linux. - Original Message - From: "Rob Harwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > No, it will share the work between the virtual CPUs, which in theory > will be slightly slower than using a single CPU but most likely > unnoticeable. You could however have Windows only allow it to use one of > the virtual CPUs by setting the process affinity if that is your goal > (via taskman). > > -- Rob. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: 24 June 2004 20:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Let me offer a better example. If you have hyperthreading on, hlds will > be restricted to using half of the processor. For large servers (20+ > dod playerslots w/addons), the cpu usage will max out for one logical > cpu while the other remains idle. > > Multithreaded or not, hlds suffers from using hyperthreading. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:23 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > It doesn't always work out that way was my simple point. > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > If you have two processors then two threads can simultaneously run ... > One > OS and one APP thread. > It's mo better > Same I think with HT in a P4 > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:36 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Last I looked there were 5 on both my boxes. > > (that's with a bunch of addons loaded as well which might account for > the > other 2, I've never seen the thead count higher then 5 though. But > simply > having 5 threads that exist doesn't neceesarrly mean it's going to take > advatage of MP or HT neccessarly.) > > > > -Original Message- > From: K. Mike Bradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > > Dave, > When your HLDS.exe is running, > > Get a process viewer and you will see more than one thread for the > HLDS.exe > process. > > Last time I looked I counted three threads when it was fully up. > > Anyone else know how many threads? > Is my memory old? > > Besides, there are always OS threads (about a hundred or so) and HT > would > still help any box. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fencik > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:07 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Hlds is NOT multithreaded and there is NO benefit from running HT with > it. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K. Mike Bradley > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 11:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Someone just posted an Intel link in this very thread, just a couple of > days > ago, which stated "Intel recommends HT be turned off in the bios for w2k > machines". > > I am not that familiar with HT but as I understand it, it was supposed > to > replace multi processor (which was popular in Pentium 3). > > The Pentium 4 supposedly can not be easily multi processored and a > departure > was made from multi P to this HT technique where by a single P4 can > execute > multiple threads? > > I think this would help any app with more than one thread (which HLDS of > course has several threads). > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin > Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:07 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [hlds] Windows 2000 or Windows 2003? > > Yes service pack 4 did address as I recall one tiny issue with HT. > win2k however does not take advantage of HT reguardless. I think > someone > mentioned that it didn't 'support' it, what they meant was it didn't > take > advantage of it, not that there were problems with in on win2k. > > Not sure really why we're talking about this as HT doesn't help hlds > much if > at all, infact there was some discussion last year on this list that > seemed > to indicate it hurt more then helped. (now if your running hld
RE: [hlds] Need server help
Change to the folder in which the program rests then execute it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Need server help Hey my problem is im trying to run the hldsupdatetool using dos prompt. It keeps saying that hldsupdatetool.exe is not regonized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. what should i do or what am i doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
