RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released
This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- Mine have also gone into a crash loop and the debug.log is just showing the command line I use to run the server and no useful information. I don't have time to look at this at the moment though, hopefully someone else can help. -- CRASH: Tue Mar 13 14:46:32 NZDT 2007 Start Line: ./srcds_i686 +ip 58.28.96.41 -port 27015 -game cstrike +maxplayers 16 +map cs_assault -tickrate 66 -autoupdate +mp_dynamicpricing 0 -debug End of Source crash report -- -- CRASH: Tue Mar 13 14:47:36 NZDT 2007 Start Line: ./srcds_i686 +ip 58.28.96.41 -port 27015 -game cstrike +maxplayers 16 +map cs_assault -tickrate 66 -autoupdate +mp_dynamicpricing 0 -debug End of Source crash report -- -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 2:38 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released Add "-debug" to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log to help with solving this problem. John wrote: > and now my servers dont restart > > ./srcds_run: line 344: 1506 Segmentation fault $HL_CMD > Add "-debug" to the ./srcds_run command line to generate a debug.log > to help with solving this problem > Sat Dec 1 03:26:13 EST 2007: Server restart in 10 seconds > Sat Dec 1 03:26:16 EST 2007: Server Quit > > > On 3/12/07, Jason Ruymen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> Required updates for Counter-Strike: Source, Day of Defeat: Source >> and >> Half-Life 2: Deathmatch have been released. Please run >> hldsupdatetool >> to download these updates. The specific changes include: >> >> - Improved multiplayer voice communication, now using a much clearer >> codec >> - First release of a completely reworked in game text chat to which >> now >> includes a chat history and a filter to only see important chat >> messages - Fixed not being able to use sounds, decals or models if >> they were >> downloaded from the server >> >> Jason >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Ship Free Weekend 9th-11th Feb
This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- Thanks for the configs - our servers are all go :) Good luck with getting more people into The Ship. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilson Sent: Friday, 9 February 2007 5:26 a.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Ship Free Weekend 9th-11th Feb As promised I've made some config files for some possible server configurations which you can find at http://www.outerlight.com/serverconfigs/. We'll be setting our servers to Team VIP mode only, but hope that admins will pick some different options to give a selection. Players will be able to use the 'votemode' command to change the game mode if they want anyway unless disabled at the server. Ed -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Ship Free Weekend 9th-11th Feb
This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- I'll do my best to get some going for NZ/Aust. Do you have a 'good' server.cfg somewhere with the settings most players like? Quite often the default configs for servers are pretty poor.. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilson Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:47 a.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] The Ship Free Weekend 9th-11th Feb Hi Everyone, I'm sending out a request on behalf of Outerlight, creators of The Ship for the community to host some dedicated servers for the Free Weekend that is taking place over Steam this weekend coming. We'd be very grateful if anyone with the resources could host some server instances for the duration of the weekend to give trial players a good experience as we've had too many listen servers running on previous weekends distorting first impressions of the game. We've just recently added a new map and our first team modes - Team Elimination and Team VIP to add to the existing non-team Hunt, Eliminiation and Deathmatch. The dedicated server for The Ship works both on windows and linux, delivered via the hlsupdatetool as per other Source servers. However, it does not use the base source engine files and should not be installed on top of a CS, HL2DM server etc.. but in a separate folder. With the hldsupdatetool installed into a new folder the commands to install the server are Windows : HldsUpdateTool.exe -command update -game "ship" -dir C:\theship\ Linux : ./steam -command update -game ship -dir . A server.cfg file lives in ship/cfg/ which can be tweaked - it should look very familiar to other source config files. The server can then be run via Windows : C:\theship\srcds.exe -console +hostport 27015 -game ship +map atalanta +maxplayers 16 +servercfgfile server.cfg +mapcyclefile mapcycle.txt +log on Linux : ./srcds_run -game ship +map atalanta +maxplayers 16 -autoupdate +servercfgfile server.cfg +mapcyclefile mapcycle.txt +log on If you have any questions or need help with setup and configuration feel free to post to the list or reply to me directly. Thanks for any help you can give and hope to see you on board :) Ed -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] [OT]Savvis Metwork
Your first hop is lagging - sort your own connection out first. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Munra -hlds Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 4:04 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] [OT]Savvis Metwork As any one notice or had anyone Complain about lag when hopping though the Savvis Network?? OR any other network on the East Coast? 1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 158 ms13 ms79 ms 74-130-80-1.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.130.80.1] 343 ms25 ms15 ms 74-128-22-97.dhcp.insightbb.com [74.128.22.97] 475 ms 7 ms44 ms 74.128.8.97 531 ms32 ms46 ms sl-gw25-atl-10-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.212.249 ] 625 ms21 ms53 ms sl-bb21-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.22.13] 757 ms21 ms41 ms 144.232.8.182 8 107 ms 111 ms 118 ms dcr2-so-0-2-0.Atlanta.savvis.net [208.172.65.246 ] 972 ms42 ms48 ms dcr1-as0-0.Atlanta.savvis.net [204.70.192.41] 1040 ms 133 ms40 ms bcs1-so-2-0-0.Washington.savvis.net [204.70.192. 54] 11 161 ms 158 ms83 ms ber2-pos-7-0-0.Chicago.savvis.net [208.175.10.25 4] 1270 ms53 ms 185 ms ber2-tenge-3-1.chicagoequinix.savvis.net [204.70 .196.26] 13 100 ms69 ms98 ms 208.173.176.214 14 103 ms 194 ms 111 ms po1-4G.ar1.ord1.us.scnet.net [64.202.110.62] 1594 ms 116 ms 155 ms po1-4G.ar1.ord1.us.scnet.net [64.202.110.62] 16 126 ms 140 ms 171 ms ge0-1.aggr201.ord1.us.scnet.net [216.246.94.6] 17 181 ms 121 ms 110 ms unknown.ord.scnet.net [20x.xx.249.xx] Trace complete. The server in this Trace is in equinux data center in chicago ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Licensing fees for HL1 engine
This is one of the basic concepts of capitalism and any business model. Business is entirely about a person or persons banding together with the objective to make a profit. If profit wasn't Valve's motivator, what would inspire them to continue to build platforms like Steam, and release new games? It doesn't just apply to Valve, it applies to _any_ company. If you want them to do something, the reason they do it is because you're either going to increase their bottom line, or because whatever you aren't satisfied with is decreasing their bottom line. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Jordan Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2007 4:23 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Licensing fees for HL1 engine This answer was purely about profit for valve. Like I said before, money is what matters for them. Unless you make a difference to their bottom line, you don't matter. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Guest Passes Beta Invitation
Thanks for sharing. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 3:54 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Guest Passes Beta Invitation -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I've sent my request in! :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Source Engine Update Released
We're still using BAT without issues? -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 2:34 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Engine Update Released I'm not happy. It looks like I have to give all my admins rcon access just to ban...or have I missed something? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Source Engine Update Released
Wow! Valve actually did something in our favour, thank you! -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Thursday, 30 November 2006 1:27 p.m. To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Source Engine Update Released - Added cvars to let the server prevent clients setting unreasonable network settings: sv_mincmdrate, sv_maxcmdrate, sv_client_predict, sv_client_interpolate, sv_client_interp, and sv_client_cmdrate_difference ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
Or grow up, and go join a list that welcomes angry, insecure morons. This thread was about the less than popular update, not the size of your e-penis. I hope you keep your word and don't respond again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kyle Sent: Monday, 20 November 2006 10:22 a.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Kid LOl , try a 41 year old grown man that can put you in a coma. I got your kid right here. I spoke my peace to the other lamer. i wont respond again to this thread. but i know all of the losers will.comon make me laugh. respond more. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
So back on topic - Valve, when can we expect to see the block turned off by default? Clearly it is causing outrage and putting the server operators at the mercy of the players. -Scott ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Workaround for cl_restrict_server_commands ?
We shouldn't need to work around this - setting it to default as 0 is extremely simple, Valve just need to see enough of an outcry :) *starts picketing* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frazer Sent: Saturday, 18 November 2006 2:24 a.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Workaround for cl_restrict_server_commands ? So - unless someone has any other ideas, it would appear that a quick and dirty solution would not be terribly effective without negatively impacting player experience. Something deeper might work - but beyond my meager skills. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone!
I would say there's been a deluge of complaints regarding admins running around doing things like unbind all on clients, or causing them to run exploits of something along those lines. It wouldn't make sense for Valve to spend time coding something without a reason to motivate them into doing this. Certainly with rate forcing on our servers - we were banning anyone who used any method to get around the rates. _All_ of the players on our servers are on some form of broadband, and thus there is no reason they should not be using at the least rate 2, and a high cmd/update rate, as well as having interp set to 0.01. Again as I said before though, if users don't want us forcing our rates on them then that's fine, but we don't wish for them to be on our non-profit, self funded (well into the range of 5 digits by myself) servers, which we run with the aim of providing _DECENT_ servers [read: no rating]. Just as it's the users choice not to have our rates shoved on them, it's our choice not to have their rates shoved on us - and they're welcome to play elsewhere if they are dissatisfied with our terms. However with this setting being on by default we really don't have any choice but to remove all rate forcing - which is only motivation to start encouraging the 7554 players seen in the last week to play something else. With Warcraft it wouldn't be difficult to have it check if the client has it turned on and then kick them with a message telling them why. However with this on by default it means everyone gets kicked, and your average user isn't going to figure this out. And yes, some prior notice would have been nice - I had to drop everything to deal with the sudden banning of all the users playing at the time. /rant -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 11:42 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone! > Clients should have the right to choose not to have settings imposed on them > against their will, but this shouldn't be default behaviour - as this > command has only come about due to abuse. Abuse or purpose. On a warcraft mod server you can have your weapon dropped by players of a certain race. Don't fancy getting killed? Well just turn on this CVar and nothing will happen. And without notice too... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone!
It shouldn't be limited to certain commands. Clients should have the right to choose not to have settings imposed on them against their will, but this shouldn't be default behaviour - as this command has only come about due to abuse. For those of us running public servers with the aim of allowing the community to enjoy the game (and subsequently helping Valve's bottom line by making CS a huge game), I (and I'm sure others) would appreciate if this command was off by default, as people abusing rates and interp settings are already ruining public play. Just remember Valve, so many games have failed because no one would run servers - don't forget whose support you need to prolong your product life cycle. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Robinson Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 9:59 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone! Then wouldn't the perfect setup be that this doesn't allow the server operator to use the command bind, change this restrict setting and not use quit, and just put your settings back to the way they were on a change of server? Not this. This is "Our clients pay for the game, not the server operators" forgetting that fact that the reason they have millions of paying customers with no monthly fee is that fact that we fork out for their servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone!
And you have every right to hate having your settings changed, and should be able to block this - but it shouldn't be default behaviour. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 3:16 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released - slowhacking begone! I have to say that this is an excellent update, server operators have been slowhacking clients way too long. Just a few days ago someone posted on this very list how to maliciously mess up a client, and the responses from many of you were all on the order of "man that's a good one mwahahahahahahahaaa" The way I see it, you guys brought this on yourselves. It's about time Valve gave clients the ability to prevent this from happening. I personally hate going into servers and find my rates and basic settings changed all over the place. Thank you Valve. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
That's exactly what it does. By all means - I utterly hate the little bastard admins out there who take delight in client exec'ing bind all kill and so on, and by all means clients should have every right to block this. On the other hand, clients misbehaving by rating - server admins should have the choice to exclude these people from their servers. I absolutely support having this command available, but it should NOT be defaulted to 1. As I said in my previous post, if clients want to elect not to have my rates forced on them, then they can play on other servers - by defaulting it to on, the average user on our servers who was quite happy with having rates forced can't join. Remember your average CS player isn't going to think to turn this off, they're just going to join the server and find CVARX or zBlock or whatever your plugin of choice bans them. Within 5 minutes of this update being out I had three angry emails accusing me of banning people without reason. Leave this command there, but for sanity's sake, default it to be off. -Scott ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
No, this is a client side setting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Affordablegameservers.com Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 1:09 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released cl_restrict_server_commands 0 If we add that to our server.cfgs though, it ignores the new feature and the servers function as they did i believe. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
I can join servers okay now that I've disabled CVARX (we were only forcing a minimum rate, cmdrate, updaterate, interp - what's the harm?). CVARX ended up creating 200 bans in error which I'm now sitting removing. A heads up would have been nice, as would some consultation prior to inflicting such silly changes on those who have to deal with complaints about people rating. I can accept some clients might not want their settings fucked around with - but at least make the default 0, and if clients choose not to have their settings messed with, I'd rather they played elsewhere instead of my servers. Now we're going to have to dish out bans to raters, rather than just forcing their rates. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 12:41 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released Yay for unhittable 1 and 5 pingers That surely going to improve the games image and make more people want to play the game! Also, yay for people who never seem to be able to get flashbanged, we like having them on our server to. Probably explains why hardly anybody bothers to buy flashbangs, since they rarely ever seem to work. In any case, it doesn't really matter, since nobody seems to be able to join our servers after this update. Were the Client side STEAM Content files for Counter-Strike:Source updated by any chance? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
Seems this way, my servers running just banned me for blocking having my rates forced. This sucks - I realise some server admins may have been misbehaving and screwing people's configs up, but on the other hand I wonder how many have tried playing on a server full of people rating so hard they're impossible to hit? Now we're forced to allow people to get an unfair advantage. -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ]FUSION[ Gray Death Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 12:12 p.m. Cc: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Re: [hlds_announce] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released What are unwanted commands in detail? I don't hope this means == zblock commands == cVar-X commands? With kind regards, ]FUSION[ Gray Death ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released
What are the commands which are restricted, all? Wouldn't this effectively make things like zblock and cvarx utterly useless, resulting in rating and interping in matches? -Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Friday, 17 November 2006 11:30 a.m. To: hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source and Source Engine Update Released Updates to Counter-Strike: Source and the Source Engine have been released. Release run hldsupdatetool to receive these updates. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Fixed a crash which could occur if the dynamic weapon price list failed to download Source Engine: - Added new cl_restrict_server_commands to prevent unwanted commands being run on game clients. The default value is 1, valid settings are: 0 = Don't restrict any server commands. 1 = Restrict server commands in Valve multiplayer games. 2 = Restrict server commands in all multiplayer games. - Decreased startup time in some cases by rate-limiting the packets sent to clients during logon - Improved responsiveness when entering map areas with lots of entities by automatically compressing large packet updates Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] need free cp
I've been running quite a few HLDS/SRCDS servers for about 6 years now - in the end I've always found there was something in the tools out there I hated, what exactly is it you're trying to achieve with all these panels that you can't do with a few scripts and a couple of hours of geeking. The only decent panel I've found really is GameCreate, but of course the incumbent telcos in New Zealand (where I am) and Australia went off and bought exclusive rights, so that's not an option for me. For example I keep all my stuff going with some bash scripts I've created over time plus rsync running on my 'master' server where I maintain my global settings and these get pulled to each server every 15 minutes. Works great. If you need to do things like reboots - SSH keys/rsh is your friend - just push a command to kill the hlds/srcds process and provided it's in a wrapper it'll restart itself. -Scott ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] HL1 banner
There already is a cvar - sv_allowupload 0 And hell, parents are responsible for their kids - if you don't want your kids seeing porn sprays, why are they playing an (arguably) violent computer game? Certainly here, CS is rated R16, which means those under 16 are _not_ allowed to play it, regardless of what their parents may think. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
