RE: [hlds] DoD

2004-11-10 Thread neil.cumming
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What kernel version are you using ?

Ransom

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Can anyone offer any advice on Running DoD

Server is 24 player hosted 2.8GHz P4 with 1024 DDR 3200 running Linux 
RH9
all is great till 20 players are on the server then CPU flys through 
the roof, I'va not had
much dealing with DoD, I beleave it is a tad haevy on CPU but it's runs 
fine untill server get nearly full
any info would be a great help
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RE: [hlds] Linux server, Advice

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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We upgraded 2 of our servers  from redhat 9 to fedora core 2 42 days ago, uptime on 
both systems is 42 days not 1 reboot since installation! Havent had any stability 
issues whatsoever, and 1 box has survived 2 heavy dos attacks. Running kernel version 
2.6.6-1.435 on both machines, both AMD xp2600 singles.

The constant stream of security updates is also very nice and the up2date utility 
ensures you stay as patched as possible, not sure if other linux distro's have such a 
good path to receive updates and security fixes.

Neil.

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I have heard gentoo linux is a good one.

Regards,

Matt White
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Okay, am sick of 'strange' behaviour on windoze server, I can get it
running, is fine, then 'something' changes... So..

Which flavour of Linux might be best to install? I need to run HLDS, also a
webserver, and it has to support wireless cards, and preferably
filesharing... Don't really need a GUI (altho some kind of www browser would
be nice), just want a nice clean tight *STABLE* OS

I'm currently looking at installing www.whiteboxlinux.org anyone got much
experience?

Steve!
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RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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Even the 2.67 P4 is doing better, in terms of clock speed it is only a little faster 
than one of the chips, but this is a dual, if we look at amd's naming system then 
2400+ should as you say be eqivilant to a p4 2.4, but im just not seeing the 
performance especially considering it has an extra chip over the p4's.

Neil.

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Also it should be noted that the 2400+ was only meant to be compete with a 2.4 
GHz Intel CPU, not the 2.8 or 3.0 GHz that you are using.



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Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the 
mp2400's which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266.

Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on 
the dual.

I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring 
more performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment  i have my 
p4 3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems 
odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy 
load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be 
attempting to  get 60+  people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill 
report back the results.

The 2400's are thoroughbred.



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We need to get back to the original focus of this thread.  Was the

chipset on the amd boards specified?



It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon

mp with DDR 233, would it?  I'm just saying that there are other parts

of the machine to consider besides the processor speed.



Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor

machine in overall cpu usage.  Mapchange, however, is a different story.



This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being

used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task

manager?



I am not loyal to either brand.  I have both brands of chips and I

realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones.



Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores?



Dave



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Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor

affinity.



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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy

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> Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support

> multi processors?



Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will

only run on one processor.



Maarten



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RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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Well to be fair the P4's are all 800FSB, using PC400 ram. Compared to the mp2400's 
which only run PC2100 ram, and the fsb is 266.
Both CPU's are being used, and on my original test both cpu's were at 100% on the dual.
I agree that 2 single chip systems compared to a dual, will generally bring more 
performance (in my case a p4 3ghz and a p4 2.8ghz), but at the moment  i have my p4 
3ghz outperforming my dual by nearly double in terms of cpu usage. Which just seems 
odd. I will be doing some more testing this evening to get the p4 under really heavy 
load and see how the ingame playability differs between the dual and the p4. I will be 
attempting to  get 60+  people on the p4 this eve spread over some big servers, ill 
report back the results.
The 2400's are thoroughbred.

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We need to get back to the original focus of this thread.  Was the
chipset on the amd boards specified?

It wouldn't be fair if you were comparing a P4 with DDR 333 to an Athlon
mp with DDR 233, would it?  I'm just saying that there are other parts
of the machine to consider besides the processor speed.

Also...2 single processor machines are superior to 1 dual processor
machine in overall cpu usage.  Mapchange, however, is a different story.

This may sound silly, but have you verified that both cpus are being
used by the operating system by looking for two processors in the task
manager?

I am not loyal to either brand.  I have both brands of chips and I
realize that both intel and amd have made some good and some bad ones.

Are your 2400's thoroughbred or barton cores?

Dave

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Each process will only run on separate CPU if you set the apps processor
affinity.

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:18:11 +0100, Mark Duffy
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> Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support
> multi processors?

Yes, meaning they will run on such a system. But each HLDS instance will
only run on one processor.

Maarten

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RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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lol.

Im agreeing with you, this is how it used to work when we first started using these 
duals a year ago (still under windows), we allow each hlds to use both cpu's and let 
the windows scheduler take care of it.

However im not arguing that, im just pointing out/ asking for input on why im getting 
my single P4 systems out performing my mp2400+ duals. On paper the duals should be 
much faster than the P4's, but in reality its just not happening (see specs of player 
slots on original post)

Neil.

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HLDS WILL see and advantage with multi processor 

WILL WILL WILL WILL ,,

How many times do I have to explain this common misconception?

Even if HLDS.exe runs a single thread ...

There are OS threads supporting applications function calls In the
background which means 



Being able to run two threads simultaneously will make HL run mo better









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hlsd isnt coded to be multithreaded so wont see any advantage with having 2
cpus available, but because we are running more than 2 process on each box,
the os is able to scedule the invdividual load between the 2 chips.  Neil.
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Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi
processors? Just a thought  mark duffy
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RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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At this point I dont really want to invest in any more AMD hardware, especially as 
most of the boards for the duals operate on the same chipset afaik. With the p4's we 
have an asus board running with the springdale chipset, and also a gigabyte with an 
sis chipset  and they both run more player slots.

Neil.

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This simple get the best AMD board and the best P4 board... get Corsair Ram
and test... if ya don't you lose.





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Hiya,



I donât want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been

niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has

any thoughts or experiences that may help.



Basically the servers in question are these:



3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram.



3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz.



The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed

several tests getting the boxes as full as possible.



Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man,

18man.



The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The

other 2 servers are just running vac.



With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant.



P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man.



The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other

2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac



With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42%



All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on

the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45%

of total system cpu.



I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from

early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from

memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4

figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have

70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players

on the dual!



Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing

exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players

than the dual.



What do the rest of you think ?





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RE: [hlds] RE: AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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hlsd isnt coded to be multithreaded so wont see any advantage with having 2 cpus 
available, but because we are running more than 2 process on each box, the os is able 
to scedule the invdividual load between the 2 chips.

Neil.

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Dumb question but does the software (mods and game) actually support multi
processors?

Just a thought

mark duffy


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RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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lol

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too late, I called dibs


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>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:18:52 -0500
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>Do you need a son?
>
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>Hiya,
>
>I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has
>been
>niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else
>has
>any thoughts or experiences that may help.
>
>Basically the servers in question are these:
>
>3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram.
>
>3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz.
>
>The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed
>several tests getting the boxes as full as possible.
>
>Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man,
>18man.
>
>The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The
>other 2 servers are just running vac.
>
>With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant.
>
>P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man.
>
>The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The
>other
>2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac
>
>With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42%
>
>All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on
>the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45%
>of total system cpu.
>
>I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but
>from
>early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from
>memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4
>figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have
>70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players
>on the dual!
>
>Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing
>exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players
>than the dual.
>
>What do the rest of you think ?
>
>
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RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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Windows 2000 pro on all of them.

Neil.

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Neil Cumming wrote:

>Hiya,
>
>I donât want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been
>niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has
>any thoughts or experiences that may help.
>
>Basically the servers in question are these:
>
>3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram.
>
>3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz.
>
>The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed
>several tests getting the boxes as full as possible.
>
>
[..snip...]

What operating system are you running on those machines?

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RE: [hlds] AMD vs Intel.

2004-07-28 Thread neil.cumming
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Do you need a son?

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Hiya,

I don't want to start a big flame, but im just really puzzled, this has been
niggling away for the last few weeks and I thought id see if anyone else has
any thoughts or experiences that may help.

Basically the servers in question are these:

3x dual amd mp 2400's, 1.5gb ram.

3x p4's 1gb ram, 3ghz, 2.8ghz and a 2.67ghz.

The p4 singles seem to be running circles around the duals, ive performed
several tests getting the boxes as full as possible.

Dual mp 2400: 52 players, spread across 4 servers. 12man, 20man, 12man,
18man.

The 20man and 18man are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac. The
other 2 servers are just running vac.

With this setup the cpu load is at 100% constant.

P4 3Ghz: 35players, spread across 2 servers. 14man, 20man, 12man.

The 20man is full running metamod 1.17 and clanmod 1.82b1 and vac. The other
2 servers are running metamod 1.17 and amx 0.9.7, and vac

With this setup the cpu load is at 30-42%

All servers were running the same map. As a cross reference the server on
the p4 (20man) was using 20-25%. The 20man on the AMD dual was using 40-45%
of total system cpu.

I need to do further testing on this to get more extensive figures, but from
early investigations despite having 2 cpu's each clocked at 2ghz (from
memory), against a 3ghz single chip its being run circles around. IF the p4
figure are to go by, if I was happy with 100% cpu load, then I could have
70-80 players running off this box to get the same cpu useage as 52players
on the dual!

Now, the other duals are all having a similar story, the p4's are doing
exceptionally well, even the 2.67 seems to be able to support more players
than the dual.

What do the rest of you think ?


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RE: [hlds] Lag issue since update?

2004-06-15 Thread neil.cumming
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So far I have only updated 2 servers, and noticed this as well, watching through hlsw 
is most apparent because of the huge red blocks that appear at regular intervals, 
whilst a ping -t shows all is happy.

/me holds of updating the rest of the servers.

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Subject: [hlds] Lag issue since update?



Right, before I start to investigate this problem I thought I'd check first to 
see if anyone else is having this issue.

My servers are suffering periodic sessions of major lag since the latest 
updates. Is anyone else noticing this? Running a ping -t to the servers whilst this 
lag is happening indicates that all is well with the servers.

Cheers, Paul

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