Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-03 Thread Todd Ferguson
Thanks to all the advice - I'll try out the recommended plugins.

Cheers,
Todd

ics wrote:
> Just to clear something out, as Keeper said, the latest version of 
> Mani-admin isn't vulnerable. Sourcemod is as vulnerable as Mani-admin is 
> without additional plugins, such as D-FENS, against the exploits within 
> the Source engine.
>
> -ics
>
> 2.7.2010 10:03, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
>   
>> I don't disagree with that.  The OP came asking how to secure his server 
>> running mani, the answer was that mani has been compromised or can be 
>> compromised, the OP was then given alternatives, and reasons to use the 
>> alternatives. At no point did I say he has to use it or that mani is 
>> bad/evil/whatever, merely that SM can be made to look and feel like mani, in 
>> case he was hesitant to switch...
>>
>> I stand by my statement about binding keys though...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 02/07/2010, at 2:04 PM, ics  wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> This petty and childish fight is unnecessary. People use what they want
>>> and what they like.
>>>
>>> -ics
>>>
>>> 2.7.2010 0:12, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
>>>  
>>>   
>>>> The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed 
>>>> readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your 
>>>> admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can 
>>>> use sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins
>>>>
>>>> Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>       
>>>>>> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators 
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> over the years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
>>>>>> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
>>>>>> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
>>>>>> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
>>>>>> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
>>>>>> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
>>>>>> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
>>>>>> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
>>>>>> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to the future. It's nice here.
>>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-02 Thread ics
Just to clear something out, as Keeper said, the latest version of 
Mani-admin isn't vulnerable. Sourcemod is as vulnerable as Mani-admin is 
without additional plugins, such as D-FENS, against the exploits within 
the Source engine.

-ics

2.7.2010 10:03, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
> I don't disagree with that.  The OP came asking how to secure his server 
> running mani, the answer was that mani has been compromised or can be 
> compromised, the OP was then given alternatives, and reasons to use the 
> alternatives. At no point did I say he has to use it or that mani is 
> bad/evil/whatever, merely that SM can be made to look and feel like mani, in 
> case he was hesitant to switch...
>
> I stand by my statement about binding keys though...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 02/07/2010, at 2:04 PM, ics  wrote:
>
>
>> This petty and childish fight is unnecessary. People use what they want
>> and what they like.
>>
>> -ics
>>
>> 2.7.2010 0:12, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
>>  
>>> The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed 
>>> readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your 
>>> admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can use 
>>> sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins
>>>
>>> Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators 
>>>>> well
>>>>> over the years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
>>>>> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
>>>>> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
>>>>> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
>>>>> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
>>>>> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
>>>>>
>>>>> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
>>>>> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
>>>>> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
>>>>> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to the future. It's nice here.
>>>>>
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-02 Thread Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost
I don't disagree with that.  The OP came asking how to secure his server 
running mani, the answer was that mani has been compromised or can be 
compromised, the OP was then given alternatives, and reasons to use the 
alternatives. At no point did I say he has to use it or that mani is 
bad/evil/whatever, merely that SM can be made to look and feel like mani, in 
case he was hesitant to switch...

I stand by my statement about binding keys though...

Sent from my iPhone

On 02/07/2010, at 2:04 PM, ics  wrote:

> This petty and childish fight is unnecessary. People use what they want 
> and what they like.
> 
> -ics
> 
> 2.7.2010 0:12, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
>> The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed 
>> readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your 
>> admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can use 
>> sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins
>> 
>> Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators well
>>>> over the years.
>>>> 
>>>> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
>>>> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
>>>> 
>>>> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
>>>> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
>>>> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
>>>> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
>>>> 
>>>> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
>>>> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
>>>> 
>>>> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
>>>> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
>>>> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
>>>> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome to the future. It's nice here.
>>>> 
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread ics
This petty and childish fight is unnecessary. People use what they want 
and what they like.

-ics

2.7.2010 0:12, Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost kirjoitti:
> The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed 
> readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your 
> admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can use 
> sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins
>
> Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper  wrote:
>
>
>> Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
>>  
>>> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators well
>>> over the years.
>>>
>>> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
>>> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
>>>
>>> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
>>> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
>>> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
>>> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
>>>
>>> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
>>> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
>>>
>>> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
>>> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
>>> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
>>> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the future. It's nice here.
>>>
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread HL-SDK Synths
Sent from my mobile too!!!

On Jul 1, 2010 8:43 PM, "Allan Button"  wrote:

Har har har.

Sent from my mobile.

On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:39 PM, "HL-SDK Synths" 
wrote:


> There is a default plungin called vac that does a great jpb, I hear
>
> On Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM, "...

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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Allan Button
Har har har.

Sent from my mobile.

On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:39 PM, "HL-SDK Synths"   
wrote:

> There is a default plungin called vac that does a great jpb, I hear
>
> On Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM, "Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost" <
> dislexs...@dislexsick.com> wrote:
>
> The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be  
> changed
> readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If  
> your
> admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they  
> can use
> sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins
>
> Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper   
> wrote:
>
>> Everything Mani can do...
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread HL-SDK Synths
There is a default plungin called vac that does a great jpb, I hear

On Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM, "Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost" <
dislexs...@dislexsick.com> wrote:

The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed
readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your
admins aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can use
sm_admin.  If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins

Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone


On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper  wrote:

> Everything Mani can do...
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Joshua 'Dislexsick' Bost
The thing is, he's quite right here. Even the chat triggers can be changed 
readily, which seems to be the biggest hurdle for ex-Mani users. If your admins 
aren't confident with chat commands or console commands they can use sm_admin.  
If they can't bind a key to sm_admin get better admins

Obnoxiously Sent from my iPhone

On 02/07/2010, at 4:58 AM, msleeper  wrote:

> Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
>> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators well
>> over the years.
>> 
>> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
>> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
>> 
>> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
>> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
>> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
>> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
>> 
>> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
>> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
>> 
>> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
>> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
>> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
>> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
>> 
>> Welcome to the future. It's nice here.
>> 
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Niels Meijer
Welcome to the future. It's nice here.

Rofl ;)
You just made my day.

Niels Meijer.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens msleeper
Verzonden: donderdag 1 juli 2010 21:16
Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.

As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening

I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
(http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
functionality listed on that Wiki article.

Welcome to the future. It's nice here.


On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:16 +0200, Todd Ferguson wrote:
> Hi All -
> 
> I'm running a base CS:S server with the Mani Admin Plugin.  I was
wondering if anyone has a good list of anti-cheat plugins I should add?
> 
> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> Todd
> 
> 


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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread msleeper
Everything Mani can do, SourceMod can do better.


On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 15:25 -0400, Keeper wrote:
> Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators well
> over the years.
> 
> I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
> operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?
> 
> I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
> of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
> thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
> SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.
> 
> As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
> plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening
> 
> I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
> (http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
> security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
> functionality listed on that Wiki article.
> 
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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Keeper
Maybe not your plugin of choice, but it's served many server operators well
over the years.

I forgot about that SRCDS_Hardening.  That's a good read for any server
operator.  Plus it provides links to solutions.

-Original Message-
From: msleeper [mailto:mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:16 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.

As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening

I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
(http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
functionality listed on that Wiki article.

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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread msleeper
I hate to tell you this buddy, but Mani stopped being the admin plugin
of choice a couple years ago. What is it with the CS:S community and
thinking that Mani is still useful? I recommend you go install Metamod +
SourceMod, and stop running an ancient plugin on your servers.

As for actual security stuff, you are pretty safe installing most of the
plugins listed here: http://wiki.alliedmods.net/SRCDS_Hardening

I say "most" because this article doesn't feature KAC
(http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=133), which is a killer
security/anti-cheat plugin and has replaced some - but not all - of the
functionality listed on that Wiki article.

Welcome to the future. It's nice here.


On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 17:16 +0200, Todd Ferguson wrote:
> Hi All -
> 
> I'm running a base CS:S server with the Mani Admin Plugin.  I was wondering 
> if anyone has a good list of anti-cheat plugins I should add?
> 
> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> Todd
> 
> 


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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Keeper
Not because of anything doing with mani.  Just a vulnerability in the source 
engine and es_tools allows culprits to take control of mani.

But I would go to the sourcemod forums 
(http://forums.alliedmods.net/forumdisplay.php?f=52) and look around there.  
Many people have written scripts/addons for security fixes.

Keeper

-Original Message-
From: Kyle Sanderson [mailto:kyle.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

In General, Mani + Security do not go hand in hand (Just a basic rule
of thumb, as of late).

Kyle.


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Re: [hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Kyle Sanderson
In General, Mani + Security do not go hand in hand (Just a basic rule
of thumb, as of late).

Kyle.

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Todd Ferguson  wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> I'm running a base CS:S server with the Mani Admin Plugin.  I was wondering 
> if anyone has a good list of anti-cheat plugins I should add?
>
> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> Todd
>
>
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[hlds] CS:S recommended anti-cheat plugins?

2010-07-01 Thread Todd Ferguson
Hi All -

I'm running a base CS:S server with the Mani Admin Plugin.  I was wondering if 
anyone has a good list of anti-cheat plugins I should add?

Thanks in advance and best regards,
Todd


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