RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Hey Valve any comments on this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paladin82 Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? My client had updated. But I still had to delete maps that were causing the problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Nine Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? If its stored within the cache file, you just have to wait till their client updates. - Original Message - From: "Paladin82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. > It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. > I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server > and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing > popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete > the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map > differs, help us out Valve. > > --Paladin82 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > > > Just as a comment Stephen, > > There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to > date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get > scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little > skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an > intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of > 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is > released). > > By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the > players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become > available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is > updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of > date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and > delete. > > This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. > > In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of > "your map is different" complaints. > > > > qUiCkSiLvEr > > - Original Message - > From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM > > Kevin Ottalini wrote: > > >You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. > > > > > Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the > problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the > client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. > > >The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they > have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps > directory which supercede what is in the GCF. > > > > > Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client > fixed the problem. > Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the > client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs > back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is > there a means to instigate an update from within the client. > > I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband > and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on > 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and > more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for > "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within > the client. > > >Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly > the server is out of sync with the client. > > > >If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at > fault. > > > > > At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked > from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right > (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). > However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean > installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and > st
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
--"I won't be the only person to have worked out this solution to the problem, not when there are a million plus users around the world and again I point you towards the foolishness that is the gcf file. Yeah it prevents people from tinkering with the maps, models etc, but it is a single point of failure. One minor corruption and the whole lot is gone, 400mb download here we go!!! Instead of a map or a model getting corrupted and the download being no more than say 6mb and may be as little as a few kb. --" Really should not be neccessary unless the gcf headers get all screwed up. In theory one should be able to run a verify\update tool against the file similar to the hldsupdatetool -verifyall option which would at the very least compare the checksums stored in the existing gcf against thier datacontent stored in the other areas of the file. (or maybe a masterfile that could be fetched) If different then it could update said file in the gcf.. such a utility might prevent the need for a massive re-download. http://www.wunderboy.org/3d_games/utils/gcfformat.php has pretty good dump of the format spec and what I'm basing my speculation on. Perhaps we'll see a clientverifytool with hl2 from Valve? I dont really think the entire concept of the .gcf or similar format is all that bad idea, I would agree though an improvement or two could solve some problems. To be honest I think Valve got it mostly right on this one. Shame they have not released thier own extractor. I'd rather them split up the .gcf's if possible though so none were larger then 250 or so mb a piece.. that way if it did get totally toasted you'd only have to regrab 1/3rd the game. Not a huge issue with 400mb files.. but come a few months from now could be an issue if we're going to see gigabyte gcf's. /2cents ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get scheduled in for his particular content server Yeah - I thought of that at the time. It had been half a day with numerous log in/out and I got them to check that the client wasn't updating etc etc etc. there is always a little skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is released). There shouldn't be a need for that. If there is, then the client needs to tell the user that they are queued for an update or that there is an update, but the d/l server is currently unavailable. Otherwise, people are going to think that something has been done, when it hasn't and then you end up with lost of angry, confused people on the forums. (Not least of all the annoying script kiddies) Don't forget that those million players are spread world wide across a 24 hour time difference. Yes, you will get a peak when users log on when they get home from school/work etc. in the US, but this is the worst traffic peak. The rest of the traffic load should be reasonably evenly balanced and as long as you have sufficient servers and bandwidth (bandwidth seems fine - I can usually get updates down at 1.3mb/s), then peak times shouldn't be a problem. By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and delete. This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. Like I said previously - not the brightest bit of development work I've ever seen sticking 400mb worth of files into a single closed file. If they'd left the file structure alone, then this would not be an issue. The map would automatically be updated from the server the moment the user connects. Incidently, if there is a map file in a map folder, shouldn't the steam client download the map file from the game server if the local one is different to the remote one? In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of "your map is different" complaints. I won't be the only person to have worked out this solution to the problem, not when there are a million plus users around the world and again I point you towards the foolishness that is the gcf file. Yeah it prevents people from tinkering with the maps, models etc, but it is a single point of failure. One minor corruption and the whole lot is gone, 400mb download here we go!!! Instead of a map or a model getting corrupted and the download being no more than say 6mb and may be as little as a few kb. But there you go - just my thoughts on the matter. Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
My client had updated. But I still had to delete maps that were causing the problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Nine Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? If its stored within the cache file, you just have to wait till their client updates. - Original Message - From: "Paladin82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. > It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. > I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server > and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing > popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete > the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map > differs, help us out Valve. > > --Paladin82 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > > > Just as a comment Stephen, > > There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to > date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get > scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little > skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an > intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of > 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is > released). > > By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the > players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become > available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is > updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of > date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and > delete. > > This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. > > In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of > "your map is different" complaints. > > > > qUiCkSiLvEr > > - Original Message - > From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM > > Kevin Ottalini wrote: > > >You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. > > > > > Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the > problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the > client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. > > >The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they > have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps > directory which supercede what is in the GCF. > > > > > Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client > fixed the problem. > Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the > client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs > back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is > there a means to instigate an update from within the client. > > I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband > and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on > 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and > more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for > "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within > the client. > > >Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly > the server is out of sync with the client. > > > >If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at > fault. > > > > > At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked > from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right > (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). > However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean > installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and > still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the > problem for those people. > > >You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it > will check all the content against the maste
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
If its stored within the cache file, you just have to wait till their client updates. - Original Message - From: "Paladin82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. > It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. > I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server > and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing > popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete > the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map > differs, help us out Valve. > > --Paladin82 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > > > Just as a comment Stephen, > > There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to > date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get > scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little > skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an > intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of > 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is > released). > > By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the > players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become > available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is > updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of > date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and > delete. > > This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. > > In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of > "your map is different" complaints. > > > > qUiCkSiLvEr > > - Original Message - > From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM > > Kevin Ottalini wrote: > > >You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. > > > > > Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the > problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the > client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. > > >The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they > have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps > directory which supercede what is in the GCF. > > > > > Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client > fixed the problem. > Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the > client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs > back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is > there a means to instigate an update from within the client. > > I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband > and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on > 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and > more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for > "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within > the client. > > >Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly > the server is out of sync with the client. > > > >If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at > fault. > > > > > At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked > from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right > (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). > However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean > installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and > still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the > problem for those people. > > >You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it > will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients > are updated with. > > > I would recommend extending the params to running the update tool with > -verify_all and -game gamename. The reason being, that in my efforts to > get my server on the master lists I've been ensuring that th
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Jeff there are 2 different issues here & you are almost right with yours but not quite. The issue with the CS maps is not a new thing & occurs when a newer or older map is on the server - The player gets bounced & what is being asked of Valve is that there is a silent overwrite option. I'm not really in favour of this because not all coders use beta map versions so I could end up d/l an older map onto my client & replacing a newer version of the map. What is needed is a coding best practices standards where mappers change the version of their maps through Beta & Final - This way you can never have the wrong version. If the map is given a mid-life update then the map name should reflect that, dod_saints2 would be appropriate. This latter change would have avoided the issue you are referring to Jeff in that the new maps in the latest DoD release are different from the pre-core Steam maps & therefore people get bounced form a server. The bit you have not got right is that the player has the new files within their Steam install but it is not immediately visible to you just like the rest of the core maps. Deleting your custom version of the map will mean you can then just join a server without the need to d/l anything further - You already have the newer version. You would need to take this action for Saints, Northbound & Sturm (Although I never had Sturm so I am not certain it was released as a custom previously. Jack Avatars of Stupidity www.clanaos.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Dupler Sent: 17 July 2004 22:26 To: Paladin82 Subject: Re[2]: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? Saturday, July 17, 2004, 1:42:11 PM, you wrote: Hello, The new maps like dod_saints if you have the old version before the release of the new dod_saints. The client has to delete the old version because the new dod_saints does not download with the Steam update and it has the same name as the old dod_saints. Are dod_saints and dod_northbound official maps now or not? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. P> It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. P> I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server P> and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing P> popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete P> the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map P> differs, help us out Valve. P> --Paladin82 P> -Original Message- P> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini P> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM P> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? P> Just as a comment Stephen, P> There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to P> date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get P> scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little P> skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an P> intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of P> 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is P> released). P> By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the P> players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become P> available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is P> updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of P> date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and P> delete. P> This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. P> In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of P> "your map is different" complaints. P> P> qUiCkSiLvEr P> - Original Message - P> From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) P> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM P> Kevin Ottalini wrote: >>You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. >> >> P> Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the P> problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the P> client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. >>The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they P> have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps P> directory which supercede what is in the GCF. >> >> P> Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client P> fixed the problem. P> Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to
Re[2]: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Saturday, July 17, 2004, 1:42:11 PM, you wrote: Hello, The new maps like dod_saints if you have the old version before the release of the new dod_saints. The client has to delete the old version because the new dod_saints does not download with the Steam update and it has the same name as the old dod_saints. Are dod_saints and dod_northbound official maps now or not? Best regards, Jeff Dupler [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. P> It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. P> I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server P> and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing P> popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete P> the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map P> differs, help us out Valve. P> --Paladin82 P> -Original Message- P> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini P> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM P> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P> Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? P> Just as a comment Stephen, P> There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to P> date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get P> scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little P> skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an P> intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of P> 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is P> released). P> By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the P> players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become P> available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is P> updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of P> date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and P> delete. P> This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. P> In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of P> "your map is different" complaints. P> P> qUiCkSiLvEr P> - Original Message - P> From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) P> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM P> Kevin Ottalini wrote: >>You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. >> >> P> Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the P> problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the P> client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. >>The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they P> have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps P> directory which supercede what is in the GCF. >> >> P> Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client P> fixed the problem. P> Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the P> client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs P> back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is P> there a means to instigate an update from within the client. P> I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband P> and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on P> 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and P> more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for P> "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within P> the client. >>Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly P> the server is out of sync with the client. >> >>If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at P> fault. >> >> P> At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked P> from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right P> (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). P> However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean P> installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and P> still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the P> problem for those people. >>You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it P> will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients P> are updated with. >> P> I would recommend extending the params to running the update tool with P> -verify_all and -
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Guys it's not the maps on the server that are out of date. It seems that it's on the client side. It has happened to me as well. I had to delete the maps that were different, and then I rejoined the server and downloaded the correct version. The problem is that my server is losing popularity, because of this error. Most people don't know enough to delete the map and rejoin. We should have a way to force the download if the map differs, help us out Valve. --Paladin82 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? Just as a comment Stephen, There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is released). By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and delete. This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of "your map is different" complaints. qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM Kevin Ottalini wrote: >You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. > > Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. >The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps directory which supercede what is in the GCF. > > Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client fixed the problem. Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is there a means to instigate an update from within the client. I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within the client. >Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly the server is out of sync with the client. > >If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at fault. > > At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the problem for those people. >You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients are updated with. > I would recommend extending the params to running the update tool with -verify_all and -game gamename. The reason being, that in my efforts to get my server on the master lists I've been ensuring that the server is up to date. Running with -verify_all only appears to update the "half-life" part of the server only. Specifying the game will check the files in the specified game folder as well as the half-life engine. I have to say that this is an observation for Day of Defeat only. I couldn't possibly comment on CS or any of the other games as I don't run them. Thanks for your response qUiCkSiLvEr. Regards Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Just as a comment Stephen, There is probably a period of time where a client "appears" to be up to date, but rather he just needed to wait a while for to update to get scheduled in for his particular content server - there is always a little skew there at the leading edge of the release (in fact, there probably is an intentional scheduling skew to try and prevent an instantaneous demand of 1 million players all trying to get the update the hot instant it is released). By downloading 'the current" map to the players (instead of making the players log out and log back in, or wait a while for the update to become available), you have created a situation now where the next time that map is updated by Steam, the client will be guaranteed to suddenly have an out of date map (and any other updated content) that he now has to manually go and delete. This quite defeats the purpose in having the GCF and auto-update system. In other words, you have now sewn the seeds of the next wave of "your map is different" complaints. qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:30 AM Kevin Ottalini wrote: >You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. > > Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. >The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps directory which supercede what is in the GCF. > > Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client fixed the problem. Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is there a means to instigate an update from within the client. I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within the client. >Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly the server is out of sync with the client. > >If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at fault. > > At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the problem for those people. >You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients are updated with. > I would recommend extending the params to running the update tool with -verify_all and -game gamename. The reason being, that in my efforts to get my server on the master lists I've been ensuring that the server is up to date. Running with -verify_all only appears to update the "half-life" part of the server only. Specifying the game will check the files in the specified game folder as well as the half-life engine. I have to say that this is an observation for Day of Defeat only. I couldn't possibly comment on CS or any of the other games as I don't run them. Thanks for your response qUiCkSiLvEr. Regards Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Kevin Ottalini wrote: You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. Unfortunately, both the client and the server were up to date and the problem was not just with one server but with all servers. Giving the client the map file, fixed the problem for all servers and not just one. The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps directory which supercede what is in the GCF. Indeed, which is why the _new_ bsp file from the server on the client fixed the problem. Actually, it is possible for the server to be more up to date than the client. The client will only be updated if the user logs out and logs back in again. A client that remains logged in does not update, nor is there a means to instigate an update from within the client. I have to say that I am guilty of just this, because I am on broadband and I work in the computer industry, so my computers generally stay on 24/7. Value/Steam will find that this kind of practice becomes more and more prevalent, if it isn't already. This is not a recommendation for "automated updates", only for a means to check for updates from within the client. Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly the server is out of sync with the client. If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at fault. At the time there were a number of people complaining of being kicked from multiple server for "unmatched maps" - most seems to come right (probably because of a mix of clients and servers being out of sync). However, there were a few people who had the latest updates (clean installs in some cases) and the servers were up to date as well and still couldn't connect. The solution that I posted did solve the problem for those people. You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients are updated with. I would recommend extending the params to running the update tool with -verify_all and -game gamename. The reason being, that in my efforts to get my server on the master lists I've been ensuring that the server is up to date. Running with -verify_all only appears to update the "half-life" part of the server only. Specifying the game will check the files in the specified game folder as well as the half-life engine. I have to say that this is an observation for Day of Defeat only. I couldn't possibly comment on CS or any of the other games as I don't run them. Thanks for your response qUiCkSiLvEr. Regards Stephen ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
You probably need to update the maps on your server to the latest version. The client's will always have the latest version in their GCF files (they have no choice) but they can copy older versions into the external maps directory which supercede what is in the GCF. Servers on the other hand may not do an update at the same time so suddenly the server is out of sync with the client. If one client in a while has this problem, then the client is probably at fault. If many clients are suddenly having this problem (on one server) then the server is most likely at fault. You can run an HLDS update on the server with the -verify_all switch and it will check all the content against the master list which is what the clients are updated with. qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? > > >I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. > > You'll probably find that users can no longer find the maps on their system, particularly with clean installs, so they won't be able to delete the map from their system and download it again. At a guess I would say that the maps have vanished into those ruddy great gcf files. I have to say, chucking everything into one file like that has got to be the daftest thing I've seen in a long while! It makes debugging and server side repairs near impossible, plus if one thing breaks in the gcf file (like the map files), then the user has to delete the file and download it all over again! Yeah broadband is getting to be more prevalent, but a 400mb download still takes a while even on a 1.5mb connection. >Well, I had it happen with someone and de_cpl_mill...It kept kicking him saying the file was not the same or something similar to that. > > You can fix this by making the maps available seperate from the server. It means that the users have to download the bsp file via the web rather than letting steam do the work and if the maps get updated on the server they may have to download it all over again, but it better than it not working at all. :o] Hope that helps Stephen PS. Is there no one official on these lists ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. You'll probably find that users can no longer find the maps on their system, particularly with clean installs, so they won't be able to delete the map from their system and download it again. At a guess I would say that the maps have vanished into those ruddy great gcf files. I have to say, chucking everything into one file like that has got to be the daftest thing I've seen in a long while! It makes debugging and server side repairs near impossible, plus if one thing breaks in the gcf file (like the map files), then the user has to delete the file and download it all over again! Yeah broadband is getting to be more prevalent, but a 400mb download still takes a while even on a 1.5mb connection. Well, I had it happen with someone and de_cpl_mill...It kept kicking him saying the file was not the same or something similar to that. You can fix this by making the maps available seperate from the server. It means that the users have to download the bsp file via the web rather than letting steam do the work and if the maps get updated on the server they may have to download it all over again, but it better than it not working at all. :o] Hope that helps Stephen PS. Is there no one official on these lists ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Well, I had it happen with someone and de_cpl_mill...It kept kicking him saying the file was not the same or something similar to that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? There have been some issues with this since some of the former custom maps are now official maps. I don't know of any automated solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of voogru Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? I've seen this issue in NS, even when both the maps are identical. I've also had the same exact problem, I compared my map against my servers map and they are identical, even the MD5 hash value of the files match. Something up with steam? - voogru. -Original Message- From: Deadman Standing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? Rename the map that is on your server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paladin82 Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a way to config the server to get the clients to over write the map they have on their systems? I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. Thanks Paladin82 (LGSO) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
There have been some issues with this since some of the former custom maps are now official maps. I don't know of any automated solutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of voogru Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? I've seen this issue in NS, even when both the maps are identical. I've also had the same exact problem, I compared my map against my servers map and they are identical, even the MD5 hash value of the files match. Something up with steam? - voogru. -Original Message- From: Deadman Standing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? Rename the map that is on your server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paladin82 Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a way to config the server to get the clients to over write the map they have on their systems? I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. Thanks Paladin82 (LGSO) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 7/16/2004 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
I've seen this issue in NS, even when both the maps are identical. I've also had the same exact problem, I compared my map against my servers map and they are identical, even the MD5 hash value of the files match. Something up with steam? - voogru. -Original Message- From: Deadman Standing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? Rename the map that is on your server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paladin82 Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a way to config the server to get the clients to over write the map they have on their systems? I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. Thanks Paladin82 (LGSO) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Map Differs from Server?
Rename the map that is on your server. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paladin82 Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Map Differs from Server? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a way to config the server to get the clients to over write the map they have on their systems? I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. Thanks Paladin82 (LGSO) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Map Differs from Server?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Is there a way to config the server to get the clients to over write the map they have on their systems? I have a lot of users that are complaining that they can't connect to my server because the Map they have on their system is not the same. I end up having to tell them to delete the map then join the server to get the one we use. Thanks Paladin82 (LGSO) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
