RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued
>From Past emails: "You can have special case NAT rules based on originating IP addresses, but that opens you to IP spoofing attacks. That is why NAT rules are tied to network interfaces and why it is problematic addressing lan computers from inside the lan by their routable IP's. In general I would be suspicious of any appliance that allowed a configuration where lan computers could be addressed by routable IP's. You may not be as secure as you think, but the gamble is yours to take." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Server list borked continued I've read these, but it doesn't make sense. I also believe that this is not all there is to it. First of all, I have my firewall disabled, and always have. Secondly, I have 3 times been behind a NAT firewall router. All 3 times I had the firewall disabled. Twice, I could 1) see my own server in the server list and 2) access my own web browser by simply typing my external IP address into my browser. The one time I could not see myself in the server list, neither could I get to my web server by using my external IP address. You can indeed address lan computers by routable ip addresses, I'm doing it right now, and I've done it for several years with no problems. The only time I could not do this is when I was using CenturyTel DSL PPPOE with a Westell router. It was either 1) something about the Westell router that prevented this, even with the firewall disabled or 2) something to do with my ISP. - Original Message - From: "Deadman Standing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued > It is not ISP configuration it's the firewalls in the "routers" you use. > Check past emails for the explanation of how NAT works and why it fails > when addressing lan computers inside the lan by routable ip addresses. > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server list borked continued
I've read these, but it doesn't make sense. I also believe that this is not all there is to it. First of all, I have my firewall disabled, and always have. Secondly, I have 3 times been behind a NAT firewall router. All 3 times I had the firewall disabled. Twice, I could 1) see my own server in the server list and 2) access my own web browser by simply typing my external IP address into my browser. The one time I could not see myself in the server list, neither could I get to my web server by using my external IP address. You can indeed address lan computers by routable ip addresses, I'm doing it right now, and I've done it for several years with no problems. The only time I could not do this is when I was using CenturyTel DSL PPPOE with a Westell router. It was either 1) something about the Westell router that prevented this, even with the firewall disabled or 2) something to do with my ISP. - Original Message - From: "Deadman Standing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued > It is not ISP configuration it's the firewalls in the "routers" you use. > Check past emails for the explanation of how NAT works and why it fails > when addressing lan computers inside the lan by routable ip addresses. > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued
It is not ISP configuration it's the firewalls in the "routers" you use. Check past emails for the explanation of how NAT works and why it fails when addressing lan computers inside the lan by routable ip addresses. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Server list borked continued I used a modem to dial into the Internet for the test. No firewall, no router. Reconnecting to my own network gave identical results. My current ISP/router/firewall setup *will* show my own server when I'm on the same network that my server is on. When I was Quest using a Cisco 678 it likewise would show my own server. When I was using Centurytel with a Westell router, it would not show my own server. Whether or not you see your own server apparently has nothing to do with being behind a NAT firewall, as two out of the three times I've been like that I saw my own server consistently. I think it has to do with your ISP configuration, I'm sure there are people here that can explain it better then I can. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server list borked continued
I used a modem to dial into the Internet for the test. No firewall, no router. Reconnecting to my own network gave identical results. My current ISP/router/firewall setup *will* show my own server when I'm on the same network that my server is on. When I was Quest using a Cisco 678 it likewise would show my own server. When I was using Centurytel with a Westell router, it would not show my own server. Whether or not you see your own server apparently has nothing to do with being behind a NAT firewall, as two out of the three times I've been like that I saw my own server consistently. I think it has to do with your ISP configuration, I'm sure there are people here that can explain it better then I can. I'm suspecting it was temporary, and that it varies widely. If I had more time I would have kept refreshing at regular intervals to see what happens. I have to be in the master list to make it to Kali, GS, and GSA, so I don't think it's a master list problem. I believe it's just the Steam built in browser that's borked, but I haven't tested it long enough to have a good representative sampling. Up to a few weeks ago, I had traffic 24/7. Then one day, nothing. Since then, nothing. I get maybe 3 or 4 players a day, they pop in, look around, and leave. I've changed nothing on my end.. I'm trying to figure out why. Some blame Steam and what they did to the list, and what I saw yesterday maked it easy for me to believe that. Some say it's because the kids all went back to school, and I suppose that is possible, but I had plenty of traffic before summer break, and school starts on different days in different places. My server went from packed to nothing literally overnight. - Original Message - From: "Deadman Standing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:49 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued > If you mean this server: > > Name: Ooks Steaming Pile of Crap > IP/Port: 67.169.216.74 27015 > Map: op4_rubble > Players: 0/6 > > It is in the master list. If you are behind a NAT firewall the browser > will not show your server to you, but others will see it. Your firewall > might also be dropping UDP packets if you are getting a wide variety of > server numbers returned. In my tests I always got 30 servers (World) > back. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [hlds] Server list borked continued > > This is a continuation of the subject of borked server lists. I start > Steam. > I bring up the server list. I select OP4, no filters. I see roll>6 servers! > > Refresh. 6 servers. > Refresh. 21 Servers > Refresh. Could not contact master game server to > Refresh. 21 Servers > Refresh. 20 Servers > And at no time does my server appear on the list. > > I fire up Kali. 25 servers, including mine. > I fire up GameSpy. 29 servers including mine. > I fire up GSA. 22 servers, including mine. > > Now, before I run around screaming the sky is falling or Steam's server > list > is broken, can someone tell me why my server is on Kali, GameSpy, GSA, > but > *NOT* on Steams own server list? > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Server list borked continued
If you mean this server: Name: Ooks Steaming Pile of Crap IP/Port: 67.169.216.74 27015 Map: op4_rubble Players:0/6 It is in the master list. If you are behind a NAT firewall the browser will not show your server to you, but others will see it. Your firewall might also be dropping UDP packets if you are getting a wide variety of server numbers returned. In my tests I always got 30 servers (World) back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ooks Server Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds] Server list borked continued This is a continuation of the subject of borked server lists. I start Steam. I bring up the server list. I select OP4, no filters. I see6 servers! Refresh. 6 servers. Refresh. 21 Servers Refresh. Could not contact master game server to Refresh. 21 Servers Refresh. 20 Servers And at no time does my server appear on the list. I fire up Kali. 25 servers, including mine. I fire up GameSpy. 29 servers including mine. I fire up GSA. 22 servers, including mine. Now, before I run around screaming the sky is falling or Steam's server list is broken, can someone tell me why my server is on Kali, GameSpy, GSA, but *NOT* on Steams own server list? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
