Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] LOL, and I am a little late posting. I just read all the links with news. My bad. ...end of my thread. :) "CyberGameZone.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] LOL, site is suspended now. Worked the day the link was sent though. ;) Hell Phoenix wrote: Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure a few others of you will find it interesting too. http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 HP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Portal and Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Main email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Portal and Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Main email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] LOL, site is suspended now. Worked the day the link was sent though. ;) Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure a few others of you will find it interesting too. http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 HP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Portal and Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Main email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6972 *Update 04/19/2007:* Doug Lombardi, director of marketing at Valve, contacted *DailyTech *with the following statement: *There has been no security breach of Steam. The alleged hacker gained access to a third-party site that Valve uses to manage the commercial partners in its Cyber Café program. This Cyber Café billing system is not connected to Steam. We are working with law enforcement agencies on this matter, and encourage anyone with more information to e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 4/22/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > yeah > > Just 1 million+ CyberCafe Accounts. :) > > On 4/22/07, Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There are not 1 million+ CyberCafe account suscribers. > > > > chad wrote: > > > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] > > > 200 cards * 5 tries each gives 1 valid number, so .5% * 1 million > cards > > stolen > > > gives 5000 valid credit cards per million stolen, wouldn't it? > > > Cc2iscooL wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > You have records of the number, but the security code on the back > cannot > > be > > > stored except with encryption of the highest available > > standards...that's > > > the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a > > > security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the > > card > > > provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[1] wrote: > > > > > > > > > How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the > credit > > > card# used when purchasing? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't > noted > > > yet > > > they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new > game. > > > They > > > might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and > > > definitely not the security codes. > > > > > > Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[5] wrote: > > > > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > > > > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > > > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. > I > > > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that > automatically > > > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card > > > > > > > > > numbers, > > > > > > > > > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have > stored, > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > we care? :) > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[6] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[7] > > > > > > __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 an
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] yeah Just 1 million+ CyberCafe Accounts. :) On 4/22/07, Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are not 1 million+ CyberCafe account suscribers. > > chad wrote: > > [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] > > 200 cards * 5 tries each gives 1 valid number, so .5% * 1 million cards > stolen > > gives 5000 valid credit cards per million stolen, wouldn't it? > > Cc2iscooL wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot > be > > stored except with encryption of the highest available > standards...that's > > the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a > > security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the > card > > provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. > > > > On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[1] wrote: > > > > > > How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit > > card# used when purchasing? > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted > > yet > > they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. > > They > > might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and > > definitely not the security codes. > > > > Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) > > > > On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[5] wrote: > > > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer > > > > > > can > > > > > > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I > > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically > > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued > > > > > > with > > > > > > a > > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card > > > > > > numbers, > > > > > > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, > > > > > > do > > > > > > we care? :) > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[6] > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[7] > > > > __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com[8] > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[9] > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[10] > > > > > > > > > > > > ===References:=== > > 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 4. mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 6. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > 8. http://www.eset.com > > 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > 10. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
There are not 1 million+ CyberCafe account suscribers. chad wrote: [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] 200 cards * 5 tries each gives 1 valid number, so .5% * 1 million cards stolen gives 5000 valid credit cards per million stolen, wouldn't it? Cc2iscooL wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot be stored except with encryption of the highest available standards...that's the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the card provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[1] wrote: How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit card# used when purchasing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted yet they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. They might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and definitely not the security codes. Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[5] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with a new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do we care? :) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[6] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[7] __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[9] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[10] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 8. http://www.eset.com 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 10. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
As someone who works in a sensistive data environment (including CC and SSN#s) and HAS dealt with security breaches before, let me tell you all that while you are all debating the legality of a state's perticular law and its jurisdiction with business transactions done out of that state - the more important and pending legal issue to be concerned with are the federal laws that are broken (note the plurality). I'm not going to go into any specifics, but suffice to say that Valve will NOT be held to tell us anything, the only people that they are legally required to notify are the individuals affected by this mess. Companies/Organizations only disclose these kinds of incidents to the public and media as a PR move to cover their asses because they know that as soon as information hits the press, they will need to take control of the matter and make sure that what is reported is not damanging to the company/organization. So right now, while its fun to create a shitfest of rumors, I'd suggest that we all calm down and let them deal with what they have to deal with. There will be NO cover up on Valve's part, they will disclose what happened but only to WHO it happened for now. -[Me109] PenDragon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chad Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] 200 cards * 5 tries each gives 1 valid number, so .5% * 1 million cards stolen gives 5000 valid credit cards per million stolen, wouldn't it? Cc2iscooL wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot be stored except with encryption of the highest available standards...that's the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the card provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[1] wrote: How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit card# used when purchasing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted yet they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. They might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and definitely not the security codes. Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[5] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with a new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do we care? :) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[6] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[7] __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[9] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[10] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 8. http://www.eset.com 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 10. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view th
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] 200 cards * 5 tries each gives 1 valid number, so .5% * 1 million cards stolen gives 5000 valid credit cards per million stolen, wouldn't it? Cc2iscooL wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot be stored except with encryption of the highest available standards...that's the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the card provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[1] wrote: How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit card# used when purchasing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted yet they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. They might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and definitely not the security codes. Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[5] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with a new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do we care? :) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[6] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[7] __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[9] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds[10] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:hlds@list.valvesoftware.com 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 8. http://www.eset.com 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds 10. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
The number on the back can never be stored. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2007 2:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot be stored except with encryption of the highest available standards...that's the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the card provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit > card# used when purchasing? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted > yet > they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. > They > might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and > definitely not the security codes. > > Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) > > On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer > can > > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I > > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically > > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued > with > > a > > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card > numbers, > > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, > do > > we care? :) > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have records of the number, but the security code on the back cannot be stored except with encryption of the highest available standards...that's the thing that makes it work, and it's not like you can bruteforce a security key, because if you fail too many times the red flag at the card provider goes up and the card becomes useless anyway. On 4/18/07, Ryan Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit > card# used when purchasing? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted > yet > they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. > They > might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and > definitely not the security codes. > > Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) > > On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer > can > > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I > > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically > > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued > with > > a > > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card > numbers, > > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, > do > > we care? :) > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
How then do they give steam accounts back if you can provide the credit card# used when purchasing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:16 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted yet they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. They might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and definitely not the security codes. Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with > a > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do > we care? :) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ NOD32 2202 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Haha, yeah. They don't store any CC data I'm sure, if you haven't noted yet they ask you for ALL of your information EVERY time you buy a new game. They might keep records of purchases (duh?) but they don't store CC #'s and definitely not the security codes. Good luck hacking something that doesn't exist ;) On 4/18/07, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies > > 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off > transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can > do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I > guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically > debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with > a > new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, > but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do > we care? :) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 1. Californian State Laws don't apply to Washington State companies 2. Vendors are required NOT to keep credit card numbers for 1 off transactions. Only vendors who have scheduled payments from a customer can do this, and even those details are supposed to be heavily encrypted. I guess if there is a special STEAM system for cheaters that automatically debits a persons credit card everytime they get VAC banned and issued with a new STEAM Account, then maybe Valve do have customers credit card numbers, but then again, if those are the credit card numbers Valve have stored, do we care? :) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Again everyone, talking about anything like this here (true of false) just makes the hackers happy and feeds their ego. If something did happen, Valve will let us know through official channels. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Valve hacked??? Like that has never happened before!!! Would they be so careless to allow this or, for example, let the entire Steam network go down due to a snow storm/power outage in western Washington State? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DMA]RocketUSA Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:12 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? It's funny that when I did a search on that law, it took me to the Cali DMV for it? LOL. Also there's a little loop hole in it for them. "The disclosure shall be made in the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay, consistent with the legitimate needs of law enforcement, as provided in subdivision (c), or any measures necessary to determine the scope of the breach and restore the reasonable integrity of the data system." Just look up the TJX Security Breach. "The $16 billion retail chain has officially said that a huge amount of information was accessed as early as 2005 (with some of the captured data dating back to 2003), but that TJX officials didn't learn of the breach until December 2006. The company didn't announce the breach until mid-January 2007 due to-according to one credit-card source-a request from the Secret Service because it was actively pursuing a suspect." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2106149,00.asp So we may not find out the truth for a while. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:49 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Yeah, I missed that... Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? " or with customers in California" I'm sure they have at least one customer in CA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=625
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
It's funny that when I did a search on that law, it took me to the Cali DMV for it? LOL. Also there's a little loop hole in it for them. "The disclosure shall be made in the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay, consistent with the legitimate needs of law enforcement, as provided in subdivision (c), or any measures necessary to determine the scope of the breach and restore the reasonable integrity of the data system." Just look up the TJX Security Breach. "The $16 billion retail chain has officially said that a huge amount of information was accessed as early as 2005 (with some of the captured data dating back to 2003), but that TJX officials didn't learn of the breach until December 2006. The company didn't announce the breach until mid-January 2007 due to-according to one credit-card source-a request from the Secret Service because it was actively pursuing a suspect." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2106149,00.asp So we may not find out the truth for a while. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:49 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Yeah, I missed that... Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? " or with customers in California" I'm sure they have at least one customer in CA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in cas
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
According to a few other Web-Pages there is a supposed EP2 leak. From: "RMaioroff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:48:32 -0600 Yeah, I missed that... Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? " or with customers in California" I'm sure they have at least one customer in CA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubs
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Yeah, I missed that... Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:18 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? " or with customers in California" I'm sure they have at least one customer in CA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
" or with customers in California" I'm sure they have at least one customer in CA. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RMaioroff Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
Since when has Valve been in California? Last time I checked they were still in Bellevue, Washington. Not that another similar law doesn't apply to them in Washington, or due to the fact that steam sales can probably be construed as taking place in the state where the consumer lives... but the California legislation probably has no jurisdiction on them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The Steam mods were told (I believe) to remove any and all posts dealing with the incident. That's just common procedure there, and if posts are being deleted (as they are when it comes to this entire incident from personal experience), than something beyond a mere rumor must be going on. It's quite obvious that this isn't something Valve wanted to get out. On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thats what I thought too at first...but it does raise an interesting > question as to why there are absolutely no posts about it in the > forums. Why are they all getting deleted if its not true? > > Cc2iscooL wrote: > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Sounds like a blatant lie to me. As Kevin here said, it would be illegal > for > > them not to tell people that customer information was compromised. > Sounds > > like just a hoax to get people to hate Valve. > > > > On 4/18/07, Kevin 'Poof' Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They > would > >> be required to by law. > >> > >> "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code > >> Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based > in > >> California or with customers in California to notify them whenever > their > >> personal information may have been compromised." > >> > >> So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if > they > >> have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the > proper > >> authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. > >> > >> Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of > their > >> financial information is public record... > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > >> > >> -- > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >> Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think > Valve > >> is > >> going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, > >> especially > >> if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea > how > >> devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle > >> this > >> privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. > >> > >> On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> -- > >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > >>> If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > >>> NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > >>> doubt > >>> they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about > it > >>> > >> by > >> > >>> now. > >>> > >>> On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be > >>>> > >> sacked > >> > >>>> after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im > >>>> > >> sure > >> > >>>> a few others of you will find it interesting too. > >>>> > >>>> http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > >>>> > >>>> HP > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> http://www.eviloverlord.com > >>> 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological > >>> > >> device > >> > >>> called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at > the > >>> last > >>> second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will > include > >>> > >> a > >
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
Well, considering I have no proof that they were released. (The link on the website is disabled. Further, it wouldn't be legal to download stolen content.) I can't say. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:20 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You don't believe they were hacked into when their multi-core tech demo has been released as has their new method for creating and distributing Cyber Cafe keys? I like the fantasy world you're living in. On 4/18/07, Kevin 'Poof' Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They > would > > be required to by law. > > > > "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code > > Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in > > California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their > > personal information may have been compromised." > > > > So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if > they > > have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the > proper > > authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. > > > > Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of > their > > financial information is public record... > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think > Valve > > is > > going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, > > especially > > if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea > how > > devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle > > this > > privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. > > > > On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > > > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > > > doubt > > > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about > it > > by > > > now. > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be > > sacked > > > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im > > sure > > > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > > > > > HP > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.eviloverlord.com > > > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological > > device > > > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at > the > > > last > > > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will > include > > a > > > back-up device known as a battery.) > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
It's funny that when I did a search on that law, it took me to the Cali DMV for it? LOL. Also there's a little loop hole in it for them. "The disclosure shall be made in the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay, consistent with the legitimate needs of law enforcement, as provided in subdivision (c), or any measures necessary to determine the scope of the breach and restore the reasonable integrity of the data system." Just look up the TJX Security Breach. "The $16 billion retail chain has officially said that a huge amount of information was accessed as early as 2005 (with some of the captured data dating back to 2003), but that TJX officials didn't learn of the breach until December 2006. The company didn't announce the breach until mid-January 2007 due to-according to one credit-card source-a request from the Secret Service because it was actively pursuing a suspect." http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2106149,00.asp So we may not find out the truth for a while. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 'Poof' Gerry Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 1:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You don't believe they were hacked into when their multi-core tech demo has been released as has their new method for creating and distributing Cyber Cafe keys? I like the fantasy world you're living in. On 4/18/07, Kevin 'Poof' Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They > would > > be required to by law. > > > > "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code > > Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in > > California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their > > personal information may have been compromised." > > > > So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if > they > > have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the > proper > > authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. > > > > Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of > their > > financial information is public record... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think > Valve > > is > > going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, > > especially > > if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea > how > > devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle > > this > > privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. > > > > On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > > > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > > > doubt > > > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about > it > > by > > > now. > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be > > sacked > > > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im > > sure > > > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > > > > > HP > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.eviloverlord.com > > > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological > > device > > > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at > the > > > last > > > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will > include > > a > > > back-up device known as a battery.) > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
Thats what I thought too at first...but it does raise an interesting question as to why there are absolutely no posts about it in the forums. Why are they all getting deleted if its not true? Cc2iscooL wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sounds like a blatant lie to me. As Kevin here said, it would be illegal for them not to tell people that customer information was compromised. Sounds like just a hoax to get people to hate Valve. On 4/18/07, Kevin 'Poof' Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously doubt they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by now. On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure a few others of you will find it interesting too. http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 HP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- http://www.eviloverlord.com 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the last second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a back-up device known as a battery.) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sounds like a blatant lie to me. As Kevin here said, it would be illegal for them not to tell people that customer information was compromised. Sounds like just a hoax to get people to hate Valve. On 4/18/07, Kevin 'Poof' Gerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would > be required to by law. > > "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code > Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in > California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their > personal information may have been compromised." > > So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they > have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper > authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. > > Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their > financial information is public record... > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve > is > going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, > especially > if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how > devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle > this > privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. > > On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > > doubt > > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it > by > > now. > > > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be > sacked > > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im > sure > > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > > > HP > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.eviloverlord.com > > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological > device > > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > > last > > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include > a > > back-up device known as a battery.) > > -- > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
Uhm, while Valve may not like stating they were hacked in to... They would be required to by law. "The California Security Breach Information Act (California Civil Code Section 1798.82), in effect on July 1, 2003, requires companies based in California or with customers in California to notify them whenever their personal information may have been compromised." So, no, I don't think that Valve/Steam has been hacked in to. And, if they have, either they don't know about it, or they are working with the proper authorities to investigate and catch whoever did anything. Also, due to the fact that Valve is a corporation, I'm sure a lot of their financial information is public record... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
A friend of mine says that balance sheet looks faked. Anyone that has used a cc on steam, have you been notified of this?? It's been over a week & if you have not, then it's BS. You would have been notified asap. - Original Message - From: "CyberGameZone.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well, I can tell you what he has posted on the site and ran through a 3rd party converter, it does show CC#'s. NOT GOOD! Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I do know that Valve knew about the info but cannot discuss it. So I guess you have to go with what you think is true. To me, seeing as they can't discuss it, it just may be true. - Original Message - From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously doubt they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by now. On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix wrote: > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be > sacked > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > HP > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- http://www.eviloverlord.com 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the last second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a back-up device known as a battery.) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Portal and Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Main email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well, I can tell you what he has posted on the site and ran through a 3rd party converter, it does show CC#'s. NOT GOOD! Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I do know that Valve knew about the info but cannot discuss it. So I guess you have to go with what you think is true. To me, seeing as they can't discuss it, it just may be true. - Original Message - From: "Shawn" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve > is > going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, > especially > if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how > devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle > this > privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. > > On 4/18/07, Ackart wrote: >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire >> NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously >> doubt >> they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it >> by >> now. >> >> On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix wrote: >> > >> > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked >> > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure >> > a few others of you will find it interesting too. >> > >> > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 >> > >> > HP >> > >> > ___ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.eviloverlord.com >> 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device >> called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the >> last >> second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a >> back-up device known as a battery.) >> -- >> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > __ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds YIM: cybergamezone2002 Gaming Portal and Clan Website: http://www.cybergamezone.com Main email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
Well, I do know that Valve knew about the info but cannot discuss it. So I guess you have to go with what you think is true. To me, seeing as they can't discuss it, it just may be true. - Original Message - From: "Shawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously doubt they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by now. On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > HP > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- http://www.eviloverlord.com 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the last second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a back-up device known as a battery.) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ NOD32 2201 (20070418) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Why are you so sure we'd have heard about it by now? I don't think Valve is going to come out immediately and say that they were hacked into, especially if customer's credit card numbers are involved. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to any company? Let Valve attempt to handle this privately as I'm sure they are, or at least HOPE they are. On 4/18/07, Ackart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire > NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously > doubt > they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by > now. > > On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > > > HP > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > http://www.eviloverlord.com > 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device > called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the > last > second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a > back-up device known as a battery.) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Valve Hacking coverup?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If it's the deal from "Maddoxx" don't believe a word of it. The entire NSteam community is full of ignorant, thieving jackasses. I seriously doubt they'd have the ability to pull it off and we would have heard about it by now. On 4/18/07, Hell Phoenix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Someone passed along this little link to me...I will probably be sacked > after sending this but thought it was interesting nonetheless. Im sure > a few others of you will find it interesting too. > > http://emp.damage-web.net/viewtopic.php?p=62590 > > HP > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- http://www.eviloverlord.com 135: My doomsday machine will have a highly-advanced technological device called a capacitor in case someone inconveniently pulls the plug at the last second. (If I have access to REALLY advanced technology, I will include a back-up device known as a battery.) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
