RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Kevin J. Anderson]

what operating system?  you try the latest det 40s that were released teh
other day?

kev

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Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:36 AM
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Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?


> thats why you bitch so much on bfb?  ; P
>
> jk.   my xp2100/gf4 4600 keeps it at 100fps... 1024x768

I think I'm just cursed.  I upgraded from a GF4 MX440 to a Ti4200 (I've
got the Coolbits sliders all the way to the right, no FSAA, no nothing),
running CS in 800x600 on my AthlonXP 1900+, and I *still* can't keep it
at 100fps no matter what.  Yeah, *most* of the time, it doesn't even
drop to 99.9, it stays 100.0 solid.  But not all the time.  Maps like
cs_office, de_aztec, etc, seem to drag it down at times, looking in the
right direction, to like 70fps, which is distracting when it suddenly
gets a quasi-blurry effect for a second because it's not drawing as fast
as your monitor's refreshing.  One smoke won't kill it, either, but two
or more, it gets bogged down.  I just talked a computer-noob friend into
and through ditching his broke-ass old Gateway for an AthlonXP 2200+ and
the same exact Ti4200 board as I got.  He can stare right through 10
smokes with no slowdown (well, according to him, at least).

Just frustrates me sometimes :)

> lev

Don't you mean "kev"? :)

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RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Eric (Deacon)]

> thats why you bitch so much on bfb?  ; P
>
> jk.   my xp2100/gf4 4600 keeps it at 100fps... 1024x768

I think I'm just cursed.  I upgraded from a GF4 MX440 to a Ti4200 (I've
got the Coolbits sliders all the way to the right, no FSAA, no nothing),
running CS in 800x600 on my AthlonXP 1900+, and I *still* can't keep it
at 100fps no matter what.  Yeah, *most* of the time, it doesn't even
drop to 99.9, it stays 100.0 solid.  But not all the time.  Maps like
cs_office, de_aztec, etc, seem to drag it down at times, looking in the
right direction, to like 70fps, which is distracting when it suddenly
gets a quasi-blurry effect for a second because it's not drawing as fast
as your monitor's refreshing.  One smoke won't kill it, either, but two
or more, it gets bogged down.  I just talked a computer-noob friend into
and through ditching his broke-ass old Gateway for an AthlonXP 2200+ and
the same exact Ti4200 board as I got.  He can stare right through 10
smokes with no slowdown (well, according to him, at least).

Just frustrates me sometimes :)

> lev

Don't you mean "kev"? :)

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RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Kevin J. Anderson]

thats why you bitch so much on bfb?  ; P

jk.   my xp2100/gf4 4600 keeps it at 100fps... 1024x768

lev

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> a P4 2.0 should be able to run atleast 3 18 mans servers
>
> Should'nt it

My AthlonXP 1900+ and overclocked Ti4200 should be able to keep CS at
100fps no matter what, but it doesn't either :\

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RE: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.

[Kevin J. Anderson]

yeah, I would be interested in hearing what an openmosix "expert" had to say
on its usefullness.  maybe not hlds specificly, but then again not all the
other game servers are singlethreaded.

kev

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Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.


Alexandre Hautequest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Easy. OpenMOSIX picks up parts of the original thread and spreads
> into avaliable processors, asking them to think and send the results
> back to the caller machine. Using high speed networks, you have an
> super computer capable of support thousands of players with a reduced
> cost and a really great performance. I just didn' t know that
> OpenMOSIX was mature enough to do this, but i thing these guys proven
> it to me now.
>

I think you'd get much better results just using those six computers as
separate machines to run separate game servers.

"Using high speed networks..." -- no inter-computer network currently
existing is as fast (or likely ever will be) as the internal
communications inside a computer between CPUs, cache, memory bus etc.

Cluster computing like this is simply not designed for applications like
HLDS (or any other game server). They're great for parallel computing
tasks, but not serial tasks.

I'd love to be proven wrong (and I admit I don't know a huge amount
about it), but I can't see it happening. Still, good on the guy for
trying, although it seems like a case of more money than sense...

-Simon

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Re: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.

[Simon Garner]

Alexandre Hautequest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Easy. OpenMOSIX picks up parts of the original thread and spreads
> into avaliable processors, asking them to think and send the results
> back to the caller machine. Using high speed networks, you have an
> super computer capable of support thousands of players with a reduced
> cost and a really great performance. I just didn' t know that
> OpenMOSIX was mature enough to do this, but i thing these guys proven
> it to me now.
>

I think you'd get much better results just using those six computers as
separate machines to run separate game servers.

"Using high speed networks..." -- no inter-computer network currently
existing is as fast (or likely ever will be) as the internal
communications inside a computer between CPUs, cache, memory bus etc.

Cluster computing like this is simply not designed for applications like
HLDS (or any other game server). They're great for parallel computing
tasks, but not serial tasks.

I'd love to be proven wrong (and I admit I don't know a huge amount
about it), but I can't see it happening. Still, good on the guy for
trying, although it seems like a case of more money than sense...

-Simon

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Re: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.

[Alexandre Hautequest]

"Eric (Deacon)" wrote:

> > This is interesting, considering we have discussed this in the
> > past, and figured it wouldnt be worth it.
>
> As a single-thread process, how in the world COULD it be worth it?

Easy. OpenMOSIX picks up parts of the original thread and spreads into avaliable
processors, asking them to think and send the results back to the caller machine. Using
high speed networks, you have an super computer capable of support thousands of players
with a reduced cost and a really great performance. I just didn' t know that OpenMOSIX
was mature enough to do this, but i thing these guys proven it to me now.

>
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RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Eric (Deacon)]

> a P4 2.0 should be able to run atleast 3 18 mans servers
>
> Should'nt it

My AthlonXP 1900+ and overclocked Ti4200 should be able to keep CS at
100fps no matter what, but it doesn't either :\

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RE: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.

[Eric (Deacon)]

> This is interesting, considering we have discussed this in the
> past, and figured it wouldnt be worth it.

As a single-thread process, how in the world COULD it be worth it?

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Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Will Brendel]

As far as I know the wallhack blocking technology is in the current VAC,
unless is has been removed since November 4th:

*** This only affects Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat servers. ***

We've updated the public security modules again.  These security modules
introduce the wallhack prevention methods we've been working on.

We're interested in hearing about any situations where players are invisible
when they shouldn't be.  For example, if there's a location on a map where
someone can stand without being seen.  You can send the details directly to
me (mailto:erics@;valvesoftware.com).

Your Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat servers should update themselves
automatically. Let me know if you have any problems with these security
modules and we'll look into them right away.

Thanks.

Eric Smith
VALVe

- Original Message -
From: "Dave Ellsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?


> Does VAC have the wallhack yet? I know it was supposed to but I don't
> rememeber hearing if it's been done yet or not.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:hlds_linux-admin@;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of Will
> Brendel
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
>
>
> Have you turned off the HLGuard wallhack block feature? Combining that
with
> the VAC's wallhack block can cause high CPU usage.
>
> -Disk2
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "matthew gossage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
>
>
> >
> > I've just installed HLDS_L on a
> > P4 2.0ghz Machine with 512mb DDR Memory, 30GB hdd,
> >
> > Runing Hlguard, 18 man,
> >
> > It sits at about 30% usage with about 10 / 14 people in it, but as soon
as
> > it goes over that it shoots up to 60% usage constantly,
> >
> > This is unfortunate as i was hoping to run 2 18 mans and one 14 / 16 man
> > atleast on this server,
> >
> > Anyone know whats up with it?
> >
> > I'm using a RH 8.0 OS, and its a fresh install,
> >
> > cpu is runing at a good temperature,
> >
> > Any ideas would be greatly recieved..
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Matt G
> >
> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[DLinkOZ]

Two things.  The P4 is far inferior to the PIII for running hlds.  3 would
be the absolute max for that processor from what I've seen.  Also, not sure
what kernel you're running, but I've found the latest RedHat packaged kernel
to be absolutely horrible.  I reverted back to 2.4.19-34 or 36, not sure
which it was.



- Original Message -
From: "matthew gossage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?


> just trying the no hlguard wallhack.
>
> I'm not mad
>
> a P4 2.0 should be able to run atleast 3 18 mans servers
>
> Should'nt it
>
> anyone know if it might be a problem with rh 8.0?
>
> Matt  g
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Will Brendel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
>
>
> > Have you turned off the HLGuard wallhack block feature? Combining that
> with
> > the VAC's wallhack block can cause high CPU usage.
> >
> > -Disk2
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "matthew gossage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:17 PM
> > Subject: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I've just installed HLDS_L on a
> > > P4 2.0ghz Machine with 512mb DDR Memory, 30GB hdd,
> > >
> > > Runing Hlguard, 18 man,
> > >
> > > It sits at about 30% usage with about 10 / 14 people in it, but as
soon
> as
> > > it goes over that it shoots up to 60% usage constantly,
> > >
> > > This is unfortunate as i was hoping to run 2 18 mans and one 14 / 16
man
> > > atleast on this server,
> > >
> > > Anyone know whats up with it?
> > >
> > > I'm using a RH 8.0 OS, and its a fresh install,
> > >
> > > cpu is runing at a good temperature,
> > >
> > > Any ideas would be greatly recieved..
> > >
> > > Yours
> > >
> > > Matt G
> > >
> > >
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RE: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?

[Dave Ellsworth]

Does VAC have the wallhack yet? I know it was supposed to but I don't
rememeber hearing if it's been done yet or not.

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Brendel
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?


Have you turned off the HLGuard wallhack block feature? Combining that with
the VAC's wallhack block can cause high CPU usage.

-Disk2

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From: "matthew gossage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?


>
> I've just installed HLDS_L on a
> P4 2.0ghz Machine with 512mb DDR Memory, 30GB hdd,
>
> Runing Hlguard, 18 man,
>
> It sits at about 30% usage with about 10 / 14 people in it, but as soon as
> it goes over that it shoots up to 60% usage constantly,
>
> This is unfortunate as i was hoping to run 2 18 mans and one 14 / 16 man
> atleast on this server,
>
> Anyone know whats up with it?
>
> I'm using a RH 8.0 OS, and its a fresh install,
>
> cpu is runing at a good temperature,
>
> Any ideas would be greatly recieved..
>
> Yours
>
> Matt G
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] gaming cluster.

[SQLBoy]

I saw that, the pics were sweet.  I've already started working on a 3
node cluster.  Its crap like this that drains my bank account.


On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 17:06, Kevin J. Anderson wrote:
> This is interesting, considering we have discussed this in the past, and
> figured it wouldnt be worth it.
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/09/1355204&mode=flat&tid=137
>
> kev
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RE: [hlds_linux] Newbie-like question

[Adam 'Starblazer' Romberg]

You also have to remember, even with massive bandwidth, the HL engine will
only push out 5-10K worth of data a second AFAIK
-a-


On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

>
> > As some of you may have already noticed, I am new to the
> > list, and joined
> > to try to solve some problems.
>
> We're all new at some point ;)
>
> > for instance, there is a server command - for the server.cfg
> > - that was
> > supposed to determine the default model for the players and
> > another for the
> > team name.
>
> [ stuff about models snipped ]
>
> > I understand that these are general commands, and not CS-related or
> > exclusive, and maybe that's part of the reason.
>
> Correct.  Many of the commands in that documentation relate to Half-Life DM,
> and not to other mods.
>
> > Additionally, whenever a user is connecting to the game, it
> > takes usually
> > 30 seconds to issue the "initializing and loading" message.
> > Most servers
> > take only 15 to 20 seconds. And this is a LAN server ! Did I
> > miss any other
> > documentation ?
>
> There is a lot of variability here, and many people still experience
> differences in connect time, load time, etc.  You'll have to play with it.
> Sometimes this is related to where you put what in your autoexec.cfg and
> server.cfg
>
> > Last question: I DID look for this, but could not find it;
> > How do I send
> > commands to the hlds from the server's shell ? on console I type rcon
> > changelevel de_dust2. How do I do that from the server ?
>
> Just enter the command, without "rcon" in front.  Oh, "server's shell"?  Are
> you referring to bash/csh/ksh/zsh or the game server's console?  You enter
> the commands in the game server console.  Most launch hlds using screen, so
> you can de-attach/re-attach to the hlds console to execute commands.  This
> works rather well if you manage the physical box remotely via ssh/telnet.
> Using screen, you can connect to the box via many methods, and re-attach to
> the screen in which you launched hlds.
>
> Other hlds administration options:  adminmod, halfd, clanmod, etc.  These
> are plugins that allow you to manage the hlds server remotely without
> connecting with the hl client, and without needing to connect to the host OS
> shell (ssh/telnet):
>
> www.halfd.org
> www.adminmod.org
> http://djeyl.net/w.php?language=english
> www.hlsw.net (currently seems to be having web problems...)
> http://www.unitedadmins.com/ClanMod.aspx
>
> > I am sorry to be asking this here, pushing you patience to
> > limits - I know
> > how it works; I am a veteran in other lists and this always
> > happens - but,
> > as someone has mentioned, there is no way to search in the
> > list archives.
>
> Hey, no problem.
>
> StanTheMan
> TheHardwareFreak
> http://www.hardwarefreak.com
> rcon admin at:
> Beer for Breakfast servers
>209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map)   209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD)
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Re: [hlds_linux] Also A Question

[Jules (aka Buddha-Pest)]

if the server is dedicated to running hlds, 2 16-18 player servers will run
fine.  possibly more if you don't add adminmod/hlguard/etc (but what's the
point? :)

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