RE: [hlds_linux] HL2+hlds_l
How cute, he actually still expects TF2 to be released ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lastshooter Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 12:29 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] HL2+hlds_l Anyone know if a HL2ds_l is in the works? Reason I ask, planing on fireing up a server for TF2. ACK!!! Win. Server 2k if a Linux version is not planned once HL2 is released. Thanks in advance, -- Michael Lindsey lastshooter ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HL2+hlds_l
lastshooter wrote: All half life technology is a base for HL2 technology... >The linux server isn't any different. Yes and I would seem to think one is being worked on. I'll be more specific, "when" will it be released? Thinking that a Win.32 will release with the CD. How about it valve? One year, two? You take the piss out of them and expect a serious reply? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HL2+hlds_l
>All half life technology is a base for HL2 technology... >The linux >server isn't any different. Yes and I would seem to think one is being worked on. I'll be more specific, "when" will it be released? Thinking that a Win.32 will release with the CD. How about it valve? One year, two? -- Michael Lindsey lastshooter ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [Announce] Shared Ban System
<3 you Egor :D Cheers Scott Pettit [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Garner Sent: Friday, 6 June 2003 1:36 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tony Di Schino; Marcos Dias Subject: [hlds_linux] [Announce] Shared Ban System On Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:29 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], Drew Broadley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Simon Garner has built a banlist system, http://ban.cstrike.co.nz/ > (guest/guest login) > May as well release this I suppose. Keep in mind I built it over 2 years ago, and it has only had minor changes since then. It's fairly simple really, and while I have ideas for all sorts of improvements to it, I have never had the time (or motivation) to implement them. I'm basically releasing this as public domain, you can do whatever you want with it. If somebody wants to turn it into a project and improve it, that'd be cool. What It Does - Stores bans in a MySQL database, with a web front end for maintaining the list - Allows a group of game server providers to collaborate, sharing bans between each other - Makes it easy to keep bans sync'd across multiple servers - Requires no special software on the game server, other than ncftpget and a crontab (no adminmod or mysql etc) As Drew said, you can take a look at it in action at http://guest:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - this instance covers almost all of the major HL game server operators in New Zealand, containing some 6000+ bans, and has been operating since Feb 2001. What You Need - Web server with PHP4 - FTP server on the same machine - MySQL database - wget and ncftpget tools - access to a crontab It's intended for Linux. Some modification may be needed under Windows. The game servers can run on Windows if you find a third-party FTP/scheduling tool, such as www.ftpvoyager.com Where To Get It Download from ftp://ftp.cstrike.co.nz/pub/sbs/sbs1.0.tar.gz (14KB) How To Use It Read the README file for installation instructions: ftp://ftp.cstrike.co.nz/pub/sbs/README When planning how you will deploy it among multiple admins, keep in mind that any admin can edit or remove any other admin's bans, and any bans they add will affect all participating servers. So you need to trust everybody who will be a member not to screw up or abuse the system; use some discretion in choosing who you include. Wishlist Here's some of the things I wish it did, but haven't had time to implement ;) - Better user management - Better tracking of changes to bans (ban history) - Better interface - Better way of applying bans; large banfiles slow down map changes on the servers Enjoy. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] RE: ban management
I'm running a Dual AMD Athlon MP 2400+ 1gb server. 4 CS Serves (HL Engine) 1 AG Server (HL Engine) 1 DOD Server (HL Engine) 1 Quakeworld Server When I booted the network up, mind you this machine is also running apache + mysql, the CPU was at the high end as well as all of the RAM being taken up. I've noticed a 50% drop from CPU + Memory on the machine since I just restarted the network, which is great, definately does the job :-) I didn't know this before, thanks. Kind Regards, Network Director Head Administrator Byron 'WarHawk' Carceller Australian Professional Gaming Pty. Ltd. - Original Message - From: "Justin Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] RE: ban management > > VAC uses excessive use of CPU, is that where all the load is coming > > from? I thought that was just the binary itself, are you saying if I > > removed VAC on my servers they would be alot less CPU intensive? > > Oh yeah, switch to cheating-death and you'll be amazed. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [Announce] Shared Ban System
Cheers :-) Kind Regards, Network Director Head Administrator Byron 'WarHawk' Carceller Australian Professional Gaming Pty. Ltd. - Original Message - From: "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Tony Di Schino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Marcos Dias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] [Announce] Shared Ban System > On Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:29 PM [GMT+1200=NZT], > Drew Broadley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Simon Garner has built a banlist system, http://ban.cstrike.co.nz/ > > (guest/guest login) > > > > May as well release this I suppose. Keep in mind I built it over 2 years > ago, and it has only had minor changes since then. It's fairly simple > really, and while I have ideas for all sorts of improvements to it, I > have never had the time (or motivation) to implement them. I'm basically > releasing this as public domain, you can do whatever you want with it. > If somebody wants to turn it into a project and improve it, that'd be > cool. > > > What It Does > > - Stores bans in a MySQL database, with a web front end for > maintaining the list > - Allows a group of game server providers to collaborate, sharing > bans between each other > - Makes it easy to keep bans sync'd across multiple servers > - Requires no special software on the game server, other than > ncftpget and a crontab (no adminmod or mysql etc) > > As Drew said, you can take a look at it in action at > http://guest:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - this instance covers almost all > of the major HL game server operators in New Zealand, containing some > 6000+ bans, and has been operating since Feb 2001. > > What You Need > > - Web server with PHP4 > - FTP server on the same machine > - MySQL database > - wget and ncftpget tools > - access to a crontab > > It's intended for Linux. Some modification may be needed under > Windows. The game servers can run on Windows if you find a third-party > FTP/scheduling tool, such as www.ftpvoyager.com > > Where To Get It > > Download from ftp://ftp.cstrike.co.nz/pub/sbs/sbs1.0.tar.gz (14KB) > > How To Use It > > Read the README file for installation instructions: > ftp://ftp.cstrike.co.nz/pub/sbs/README > > When planning how you will deploy it among multiple admins, keep in > mind that any admin can edit or remove any other admin's bans, and any > bans they add will affect all participating servers. So you need to > trust everybody who will be a member not to screw up or abuse the > system; use some discretion in choosing who you include. > > Wishlist > > Here's some of the things I wish it did, but haven't had time to > implement ;) > > - Better user management > - Better tracking of changes to bans (ban history) > - Better interface > - Better way of applying bans; large banfiles slow down map changes > on the servers > > > Enjoy. > > -Simon > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] RE: ban management
> VAC uses excessive use of CPU, is that where all the load is coming > from? I thought that was just the binary itself, are you saying if I > removed VAC on my servers they would be alot less CPU intensive? Oh yeah, switch to cheating-death and you'll be amazed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 03:59:48PM -0700, Jedi wrote: > I guarantee that if you treated people in real life they people are > treated on these lists you'd be spitting blood and teeth. Ha. Nah, he'd just have no mates... probably spend too much time talking to people on a mailling list arguing about how to post to it. Guys, lighten up. -- James. p.s. top posting is for satanists. p.p.s. eric the deacon sux. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Server Recommendations.
all this aside, the newer (2400/2600) AMD Athlons are running the thoroughbred die, which has huge advantages in the voltage and power output. eg: our newest dual 2400+ easily runs 10c cooler than the older 19/20/21 dual machines. The bartons are even better, despite the additional heat producing transistors in the L2 cache, they also have a much larger contact patch with the heatsink. Matt ps. i dislike bottom posting as it means I have to scroll al the way down to read your commentsplus im weird and read conversations backwards ;-) - Original Message - From: "Stefan Huszics" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Server Recommendations. > Michael Devogelaere wrote: > > >On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 09:11:41PM +1000, David Harrison wrote: > > > > > >>>The #1 hottest (litterally) CPU available in the marketsegment we are > >>>talking about is the Intel P4 3GHz with HT enabled. It even puts out > >>>more heat then the latest top of the line AMD Barton. > >>> > >>> > >>I would be interested in seeing figures on this; do you have any references > >>or is this based on your observations? > >> > As matt already mentioned, this is based on the info provieded by the > specsheets freely attainable both at Intel and AMD > developer/systembuilder pages. All CPUs always have such documents that > give highly detailed information about everything you need to know about > the processor to eg build a motherboard for it. > > Unless you want to dig through the Intel and AMD websites a quick > summary of latest CPUs heat output (in W) can be found here > http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=55000279 > As you can see the P4 are well in the lead, which matters in a U1 case > enviroment, where the interesting part really is total amount of heat > generated that has to be moved out of the case. > > >Based on the output of 'sensors' on our servers: > >- dual athlon MP 2100: 57-64 C. > >- P4 3.06 Ghz with HT enabled: 37 when running idle and up to 45 when > > working on both "cpu's". > > > > > Be very carfull to take the MB sensors output as gospel. The only thing > they are usually good for is to notice when you have an abnormally high > temperature vs what you usually have (which could eg indicate a failing > heatsink fan). > Today with heatsensors mounted on the chip itself you could get very > accurate numbers, but next to every system out there is set to show > 20-50C lower then the _actual_ value. The reason for this is that most > people are used to the figures that the external,often ill placed > sensors used to show and would freak out if the really knew how hot > their cpu is running. > > Additionally for the record, the AMD techspecs talk about an operating > temp of AMD-XP of max 85C and the "overheating turn off power" kicks in > at _125C_ (SIC!). > > Eg you can look around here > http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/DevelopWithAMD/0,,30_2252_739_3748,00.html > eg XP model 10 is the Barton > > On page 33 & 37 you find the thermal dissipation (aka heat output) > figures and on p 52 you have the emergency shutdown temp details. > > -- > /Stefan > > Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
It really does amaze me that these OT threads about netiquette and whatnot get more readers and responses than ones that are relevant... That's cl. >> Insert some quote from something here, just to upset the purists. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
No Jeremy, I do get it. The difference is I don't care. Nitpickers, you may include yourself among them, tend to focus on delivery instead of the message. Furthermore, they confuse guidelines for Law and behave as if it is the latter as opposed to the former. Personally, I think that the single biggest reason for resisting x-quette fanatics is the completely rude manner in which the point is brought up. Very rarely do I ever see the subject broached in a civil manner. I guarantee that if you treated people in real life they people are treated on these lists you'd be spitting blood and teeth. /me hands the clue stick back to Jeremy Innoc`JF - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Brooking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting > On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 04:59, Jedi wrote: > > And, Stefan, you're a perfect example of the tiresome nitpicking. Go buy a > > digital camera and take up photography or find some other hobby that brings > > you joy. Fact is, you understood perfectly what I said...but chose to > > nitpick. Oh look...another top-post. Get over it. > > > You just dont get it do you? > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:32, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > Jeremy Brooking wrote: > > > Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same > > 'discussion'. > > > > Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P > > Actually not, unless you're referring, perhaps, to a very long time ago > to a discussion I simply don't recall. I've been purposefully bottom > and inline quoting for a long, long time (made much easier by > Outlook-QuoteFix several months back). Of course, I occasionally top > posted, but only by choice when I thought it was appropriate :P No, you got me wrong, wasnt saying you were the top posting. Just that your view was different regarding people who did back then. :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
Jeremy Brooking wrote: Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same 'discussion'. Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P Actually not, unless you're referring, perhaps, to a very long time ago to a discussion I simply don't recall. I've been purposefully bottom and inline quoting for a long, long time (made much easier by Outlook-QuoteFix several months back). Of course, I occasionally top posted, but only by choice when I thought it was appropriate :P -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
--- DaiTengu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I just switched from 99 column to 72... now all of my old messages look like hell :o. Just as someone else commented that they learned something today from my earlier message, I learned that 72 column was the LCD for mail formatting... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:20, Steven Hartland wrote: > Come on then Jeremy what does RFC stand for :P Really Fat Chicks > > > Without your useless RFC's your little pc wouldnt be able to communicate > > with anyone anywhere. But then again, you dissapearing from the net > > wouldnt be all bad. > > And if you've never seen a pointless RFC you probably > have never had to work with many. No experience what so ever. > > And yeah, theres pretty much an RFC for everything... even IPoN8 (IP > > over Number 8 fencing wire). > > Thanks for making my above point :P There are loads > of great RFC's without which we wouldn't be here but > there some which are; lets just say not so great. > Simply because you dont have the need to use them, does not make them pointless. Regardless of how 'pointless' they may be, they are the accepted standard. Thats something youre just going to have to live with, agree or not. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
DaiTengu wrote: Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I use Mozilla/Netscape (until I switch back to kmail or Evolution) and it works just fine for wrapping/quoting ... I've even considered moving all my e-mail back to something as simple as Pine/Elm ... but I've grown too used to my GUI :) For those of you running Win32 OS's on your workstation, I just switched from being a long-time Outlook user (OutlookXP most recently) to Thunderbird, the Mozilla off-shoot that was mentioned earlier in this thread. Aside from the odd crash every now and then (only happened twice so far) and sometimes poor grouping of options and menus (which is easily learned with just a couple minutes of snooping around), I'm impressed. Seeing as how I don't use the other features of Outlook at home (Calendar, etc), this is a great choice, and it handles ALL these concerns beautifully :) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/ -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 10:20, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > Steven Hartland wrote: > > > > > See there? That's the way to write a clear email. Not just one big, > amorphous blob of text hovering over the thread like a dark cloud, but > inline quotes below the text to which you were referring. > > Good man! > Funny how a few months ago you and I where having this same 'discussion'. Except then you sat on the other side of the fence :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
Tony Di Schino wrote: Not sure how this will look when posted as there are some over length lines :P Yahoo Mail owns me. I'll have to check options for 72 character lines... Of course this argument has been made several thousand times before... I'm not old school on the hlds_linux list. I guess i'm just trying to convince other newcomers and non-netiquette adopters to think beyond their little force field behind the monitor and keyboard. Most mail clients will auto-wrap if the line runs over... I use Mozilla/Netscape (until I switch back to kmail or Evolution) and it works just fine for wrapping/quoting ... I've even considered moving all my e-mail back to something as simple as Pine/Elm ... but I've grown too used to my GUI :) -- DaiTengu Director, Website Development http://www.unitedadmins.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hlds 3.1.1.x doesn't really start
Michael Bakker wrote: Hello Arie, Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:26:41 PM, you wrote: Try ./hlds_run -game cstrike +ip someiphere -port 27025 +map de_dust2 Should do the trick. Michael Bakker wrote: Hello Arie, Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 3:14:15 PM, you wrote: try opening a map? :P Michael Bakker wrote: Hi, I've got the following problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/hlds_l% ./hlds_run -game cstrike grep: /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied grep: /proc/cpuinfo: Permission denied Using default binary. Enabling debug mode Auto-restarting the server on crash Console initialized. Protocol version 46 Exe version 3.1.1.1 Exe build: 16:49:39 May 30 2003 (2409) WON Auth Server Server IP address 213.133.100.139:27015 Downloading Security Module from Speakeasy.net ... Completed downloading Security Module from Speakeasy.net Server is in Secure Mode. status Can't "status", not connected quit Adding master server 65.73.232.251:27010 Adding master server 65.73.232.253:27010 Adding master server 65.73.232.252:27010 Wed Jun 4 15:02:21 CEST 2003: Server Quit The /proc/cpuinfo error is because of my gr-security patched kernel. If i wait a few minutes or 1 hour it wont go further after "Server is in Secure Mode.". hlds is not listening on tcp port 27015 only on udp. I have the same problem when using a 2.4.20 kernel without any patch and any hlds version (3.1.1.0/3.1.1.1x). This is a new installation of hlds and cstrike. I have not modified anything, just extracted the archives. If I remember correctly normally "Adding master server" should be done after starting and not exiting the server. I've also tried it with secure "0" and sv_stat "0". Following the situation with strace didnt help (or even I did not see any errors). -- Best regards, Michael Bakker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Starting with "+map de_dust" now shows the "Adding master server" at the begining and "status" is working now. But shouldnt it just start the first map in mapcycle.txt? Besides that, hlds doesn't still bind on 27015 (tcp protocol) so connecting to this server isnt possible. I forgot to mention that I'm not using any firewall rules and I've tried to bind hlds to another ip on the box. The problem remains. -- Best regards, Michaelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Yes it did!! Why the hell doesn't it just take the machines default ip, the default port 27015 and the first map of mapcycle.txt?!? Shall I send this suggestions to Valve? Florian: Thanks for the information :) -- Best regards, Michaelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux This is an example of poor bottom-posting technique. Please remember to trim the quotes to the extent where only the appropriate text is included. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
> You sir, are a retard. Come on then Jeremy what does RFC stand for :P > Without your useless RFC's your little pc wouldnt be able to communicate > with anyone anywhere. But then again, you dissapearing from the net > wouldnt be all bad. And if you've never seen a pointless RFC you probably have never had to work with many. > And yeah, theres pretty much an RFC for everything... even IPoN8 (IP > over Number 8 fencing wire). Thanks for making my above point :P There are loads of great RFC's without which we wouldn't be here but there some which are; lets just say not so great. And from one of your links: "If a person has to scroll down to read the new information, there are probably too much quotes in the article." Doesn't that mean we are arguing the same point, that having to scroll down is a bad thing so why do all the "netiquette" peps quote excessively. If you actually followed your own rules, including 72 col wrapping Mr Brooking, I wouldnt have to and this discussion would never have happened. So enough bickering we all want the same goal: Easy to read and follow threads. Oh and don't forget a hl server which can server 32 players on a Pentium 100 but I hear Value are working on that :D Steve / K ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
Steven Hartland wrote: > See there? That's the way to write a clear email. Not just one big, amorphous blob of text hovering over the thread like a dark cloud, but inline quotes below the text to which you were referring. Good man! -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
You have a point there, but that is usually the case if you dont know what the vulnerability is, or if it even exists. In this case you know its a format string vulnerability in the logging function, and those are in 99% of the cases exploitable, especially when you can crash the server with a format string command like %n -- - Met vriendelijke groet, Erik van den Berg Server Administrator/Unix Security Consultant Technische Dienst XL-Hosting http://www.xl-hosting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Mad Scientist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug > You know what I call somebody who says they have an exploit but won't > release it? Full of shit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
Tony Di Schino wrote: The only (poor) excuse is ignorance. Netiquette rules were established by the earliest adopters, who tended to be on the leading edge of technology or academia. As time went on (and Mac users got on the internet :P), wider proliferation has lowered the common denominator and poluted the medium. You cannot fault those who are trying to (re)purify it. BINGO! As I said in an earlier post (The one i wrote previous to this) Such rules were written up in the very earlist forms of Electronic Mail (BBS Mail, and older) in order to cut costs on mail transfer... it just became good standard practice to continue to this day. Keeping these standards allows everyone to communicate effectively. -- DaiTengu Director, Website Development http://www.unitedadmins.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
Please stop -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Brooking Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 09:59, Steven Hartland wrote: > If you really don't understand the differences between publication of > the existence of an exploit and releasing the exploit right into the > hands of the people who used said things to DOS ur machine / servers > you don't learn your own experiences. Then you dont really understand how things work in the real world. Again, ill use apache-scalp as an example. > > There are right an wrong ways of doing things. If in the > case of all those examples you gave someone had acted responsibly made > the source available to the people that need it to fix the issue you > and thousands / millions like you would have been spared the DOS > attacks. > Sorry mate, but a guy who top posts to a mailing list, looses all credibitlity when he says "There are right and wrong ways of doing things" Lets just agree to disagree. You think im wrong, and wont budge. History and I show your wrong, and we wont budge. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 09:59, Steven Hartland wrote: > If you really don't understand the differences between > publication of the existence of an exploit and releasing > the exploit right into the hands of the people who used > said things to DOS ur machine / servers you don't learn > your own experiences. Then you dont really understand how things work in the real world. Again, ill use apache-scalp as an example. > > There are right an wrong ways of doing things. If in the > case of all those examples you gave someone had acted > responsibly made the source available to the people that > need it to fix the issue you and thousands / millions like > you would have been spared the DOS attacks. > Sorry mate, but a guy who top posts to a mailing list, looses all credibitlity when he says "There are right and wrong ways of doing things" Lets just agree to disagree. You think im wrong, and wont budge. History and I show your wrong, and we wont budge. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
According to the great words of Steven Hartland: > If you really don't understand the differences between > publication of the existence of an exploit and releasing > the exploit right into the hands of the people who used > said things to DOS ur machine / servers you don't learn > your own experiences. You know what I call somebody who says they have an exploit but won't release it? Full of shit. I get about a hundred threats a day from 1337 kiddies saying they know how to nuke my boxes. We can't spend all day chasing red herrings, we need to focus on the real exploits. And we can only know it's a real one if we have working exploits in our own hands to test. -Mad -- "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Apologies! Thunderbird doesn't seem to bepulling list messages!
Steven Hartland wrote: Who came up with the bottom postin rule anyway bet there's a pointless RFC there some where. IMO its a style thing and unless there is a huge amount of content relevant to the response in the previous body and a significant time differential top posting is much easier to work with. i.e. If I've read the previous post 2min / 2 hours ago I don't want to have to scroll through it again to see the new content its just pointless. I orignally learned to quote in FidoNet many years ago (yes, it's still around), Ettiquite there required you to trim posts due to the fact that most of the mail was transported long distance over phone lines. I've also found it's much easier if someone quotes only the part of the post they're responding to, that way if you don't know what the thread is about, you don't have to sift through an entire digest and a ton of >s. The extra 3 seconds it takes to trim a post can save others minutes. Thank you for your prompt attention in this matter. -- DaiTengu Director, Website Development http://www.unitedadmins.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
Well valve hasnt missed anything, the exploit just does a rcon_challenge and sends the format string attack. Valve has patched it right, since it exploits the logging function in half life. if a valve coder is interested in the source he can just drop me an email and i see what i can do... -- - Met vriendelijke groet, Erik van den Berg Server Administrator/Unix Security Consultant Technische Dienst XL-Hosting http://www.xl-hosting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Brooking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug > > Releasing the code does 2 things. > > Allows valve to go over it and see if theres anything they have missed. > > Makes people wake up to the fact they need keep there servers up to > date. > > If you cannot keep your server up to date, I have no sympathy for you. > The number of times I have had to deal with a DoS/DDoS/DRDoS from > comprimissed boxes in the last 10 years, I cannot count. The reason for > the dos was NOT the fact source was released, its because people lack > the understand of what implications of having your 1 little box on the > net. > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] the %n bug
Lol Fix the CPU USE and everyone will be happy - just about. Britt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Brooking Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] the %n bug On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 03:51, Steven Hartland wrote: > Try reading the rest of the post before you reply. Including something > that actually contributes to the discussion would be good and don't > forget to make said comments within the context of this example where: > 1. It was discovered. > 2. It was patched. ( quickly ) > Is the patch 100% right? Have they missed something? Is there any 'approach' the coder took, that could possibly lead to other exploits? Releasing the code does 2 things. Allows valve to go over it and see if theres anything they have missed. Makes people wake up to the fact they need keep there servers up to date. If you cannot keep your server up to date, I have no sympathy for you. The number of times I have had to deal with a DoS/DDoS/DRDoS from comprimissed boxes in the last 10 years, I cannot count. The reason for the dos was NOT the fact source was released, its because people lack the understand of what implications of having your 1 little box on the net. And even after having an entire network of linux boxes teardrop'd I would still rather the code be released than not. > Our servers have been patched since the fix became available but you > don't seem to be able to comprehend that others may not have and may > not for some time. Hence, and I say again, releasing the code is > reckless and irresponsible. Don't make it easy for them. And what you seem to be to retarded to see is history. OpenSSL, a non issue UNTIL someone released a working exploit, which then turned up a couple more potential security issues. ssh, a non issue UNTIL source code for rre was released. apache, a non issue UNTIL source code for rre was released. nestea, a non issue UNTIL source code for exploit was released. teardrop, a non issue UNTIL someone ported it to windows. I could go on for ages, arguing the point, but you seem to simple to understand simple, history documented, facts. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Players crashing server! Help!
I wish I had done the same... - Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors." --- Server operator of [LCGA]Telefragged: Counter-Strike: telefragged.lynchburg.edu:27015 http://schwend-t.web.lynchburg.edu > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Stefan > Huszics > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Players crashing server! Help! > > > Tyler "Overkill" Schwend wrote: > > >So, is the %n bug fixed or not? > > > > > > > Don't ask me, I'm still running 3110c and don't plan > to upgrade for a > while more. > You could also say that I've learned my lesson from > pervious upgrade > "fun" of HLDS_L and took the opportunity to "sit > thisone out" since it > was not a required update for CS :) > > -- > /Stefan > > Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
I'm superhuman, because I don't have threaded views with multiple levels, and I can STILL tell what people are responding to, even if they don't even include quotes. I like top posters, they're my friends, because then I don't have to scroll the autopreview. :-) /me puts on his asbestos suit. - Tyler "[TASF]Overkill" Schwend "Semper facere bonum, an a amare odium, vita mors." --- Server operator of [LCGA]Telefragged: Counter-Strike: telefragged.lynchburg.edu:27015 http://schwend-t.web.lynchburg.edu > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Stefan > Huszics > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting > > > Steven Hartland wrote: > > >If I've read the previous post 2min / 2 hours ago I > don't want to have > >to scroll through it again to see the new content its > just pointless. > > > Obviously you have not understood another concept in > good maillist > behaviour. > Only quote the sections you actually reply to. > If you don't include eg 300 lines of nonrelevant text, > there will be > nothing for others to "scroll through again". > > In this respect there is a big difference between how > to post to a > maillist and how write mail to eg a supportdepartment > (in the latter > it's often crucial that you toppost and include the > full mails from all > previous contacts as reference since it's not > nessecarily the same > person you are communicating with thoughout the contact). > > Some short guidelines > Maillists: Bottompost & minimal quoting > Supportmail: Toppost & full quoting > Private email: Whatever you feel comfortable with > since the person you > are replying to likely knows what (s)he wrote you anyway. > > -- > /Stefan > > Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT]^2 bottom/top posting & quoting
Steven Hartland wrote: If I've read the previous post 2min / 2 hours ago I don't want to have to scroll through it again to see the new content its just pointless. Obviously you have not understood another concept in good maillist behaviour. Only quote the sections you actually reply to. If you don't include eg 300 lines of nonrelevant text, there will be nothing for others to "scroll through again". In this respect there is a big difference between how to post to a maillist and how write mail to eg a supportdepartment (in the latter it's often crucial that you toppost and include the full mails from all previous contacts as reference since it's not nessecarily the same person you are communicating with thoughout the contact). Some short guidelines Maillists: Bottompost & minimal quoting Supportmail: Toppost & full quoting Private email: Whatever you feel comfortable with since the person you are replying to likely knows what (s)he wrote you anyway. -- /Stefan Software never has bugs. It just develops random features. =) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #2305 - 8 msgs
> I would be interested in seeing figures on this; do you have any references > or is this based on your observations? The link for the figures having been allready mentioned and struggling over the chioce myself AMD vs P4. I went with the P4 3.0 800 fsb on a Asus P4C800 motherboard for my cleint box. It rocks ;) -- Michael Lindsey lastshooter ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hlds 3.1.1.x doesn't really start
Michael Bakker wrote: Yes it did!! Why the hell doesn't it just take the machines default ip, The default is to bind to every configured IP (i.e. INADDR_ANY). the default port 27015 It does. and the first map of mapcycle.txt?!? Because you use the map command in autoexec.cfg to choose which map to start with. Or use the commandline. Florian. -- Want to produce professional emails and Usenet postings? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
