[hlds_linux] Re: [OT] Multi-threaded email client
Sylpheed in linux does what you want. It needs X and gtk. It handled threading fine but I get this list in digest form now because I think it's easier. Anyway, there's also a version called sylpheed-claws which is "unstable" but it works just fine, and livin on the edge is more fun anyway ;-) You can also try balsa which requires gnome - IIRC it handles threading just fine as well. -- "Software piracy harms everyone, including you. Why should you care" --Microsoft on software piracy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
I maybe need to add that i always run pingbooster 3... if that has
something todo with the lower cpu usage. could also be some other tweaks..
it was a while since i installed my baby...
/Bjorn
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, kama wrote:
>
> well.. my server got a lower load when enabling hz=1000.. not much but
> still lower.. hmm.. perhaps 1-2% lower...
>
> /Bjorn
>
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Oscar N aka Dreadful wrote:
>
> > lower??? are you sure? our servers used slightly more CPU with
> > HZ=1000, not that much but still not lower :)
> >
> > /Oscar, www.bhood.nu
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:26:25 +0200 (CEST)
> > kama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Bart wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've just installed FreeBSD 5.0 on a SMP-system,
> > > > and I'm running several CS-servers on it.
> > > >
> > > > My question is:
> > > >
> > > > Does the HZ=1000 (or another HZ-option above 100) increase or
> > > > decrease the CPU-usage. The kernel is now compiled with
> > > > the standard HZ. The problems isn't the latency (that's low enough),
> > > > but the question is: what happens according to the CPU-usage?
> > >
> > > It will lower the cpu usage slightly.. but the main benefit is that you
> > > can run the server higher than 50fps..
> > >
> > > btw, the hz value is changable through sysctl under FBSD 5.0...
> > >
> > > /Bjorn
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> ...things make for a much more comfortable system. They should also reduce downtime,
> not that many FreeBSD admins know what downtime is.
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Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
well.. my server got a lower load when enabling hz=1000.. not much but still lower.. hmm.. perhaps 1-2% lower... /Bjorn On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Oscar N aka Dreadful wrote: > lower??? are you sure? our servers used slightly more CPU with > HZ=1000, not that much but still not lower :) > > /Oscar, www.bhood.nu > > On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:26:25 +0200 (CEST) > kama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Bart wrote: > > > > > I've just installed FreeBSD 5.0 on a SMP-system, > > > and I'm running several CS-servers on it. > > > > > > My question is: > > > > > > Does the HZ=1000 (or another HZ-option above 100) increase or > > > decrease the CPU-usage. The kernel is now compiled with > > > the standard HZ. The problems isn't the latency (that's low enough), > > > but the question is: what happens according to the CPU-usage? > > > > It will lower the cpu usage slightly.. but the main benefit is that you > > can run the server higher than 50fps.. > > > > btw, the hz value is changable through sysctl under FBSD 5.0... > > > > /Bjorn > > > > -- > > Favourite Comment: > > Programming is an art form that fights back. > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > > visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ...things make for a much more comfortable system. They should also reduce downtime, not that many FreeBSD admins know what downtime is. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Well its impossible that its lower the cpu burning, HZ=1000 does increse the cpu used. It tells to go for 1 ms vs 10 ms, so more thing to calculate more often = more cpu.Just think of it, its impossible to get ( with the same config) lower cpu usage. Stephane. www.HQservers.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
> -Original Message- > Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:09:42 -0300 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Capriotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It increases CPU usage for me too. > > I was using 5.0 but the high CPU use for NAT made me give it > up, some time ago. > > Maybe now it's better. > > Looks like latency is lower under FreeBSD 4.8-stable as well, > according to my customers. Yeah, at the moment 5.0 is still catching up in some areas, but it should quickly improve in areas it needs too. Tomorrow there's a scheduled press release for FreeBSD 5.1. It should be on the ftp's already. There are some advancements, bug fixes, but most importantly - better SMP support. I would suggest checking it out, I plan on it. Here's the release schedule: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/schedule.html. Michael Ressen, Michigan Burbs Network Administrator www.michiganburbs.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Monitoring HLDS Servers with MRTG
Hi guys, I'm not sure if this is possible, but I was wondering how to go about getting MRTG to monitor my HLDS Servers that I'm running on my machine. I'm probably going to publish the live stats on our website, would anyone have a clue? Please help me setup this from scratch, or would you know any guides that would be able to tell me how to get it going for HLDS specifically. Thanks in advance :) Kind Regards, Network Director Head Administrator Byron 'WarHawk' Carceller Australian Professional Gaming Pty. Ltd. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
It increases CPU usage for me too. I was using 5.0 but the high CPU use for NAT made me give it up, some time ago. Maybe now it's better. Looks like latency is lower under FreeBSD 4.8-stable as well, according to my customers. At 07:58 AM 6/8/2003, you wrote: > lower??? are you sure? our servers used slightly more CPU with HZ=1000, > not that much but still not lower :) Bjorn is the only one arround here which lowers his CPU usage while he increases the HZ value... Quite... Amazing. -- http://gamez.solexine.fr ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Multi-threaded email client
lol, christ. > > Yah and my 486 still makes a great paper weight to, get with the times, > > not using a mouse doesn't make you cool anymore, just unproductive, Anyone else care to pull this statement apart? A 486 or a p75 is a great asset depending on what you want to do with it. If you just want to host a personal web page, or run an irc bouncer, or use it as a second screen to view IRC over (IRSSI > BitchX, by the way..) they are COST EFFECTIVE solutions. Why bother paying £700 ish for a new computer with all the bells and whistles when a 486 will do just as well? Oh, and just TRY running x-windows on a p75 or 486, i dare ya. - Original Message - From: "Udo Held" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Multi-threaded email client > Hi! > > On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 01:00:49AM -0400, Nicholas Hockey wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 23:53, Udo Held wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:59:06PM -0400, Tyler Overkill Schwend wrote: > > > > > www.mutt.org > > > > > > > > > > A text emailclient. It's working fine in my console > > > > > ans supports > > > > > threads. > > > > > > > > It seems people respond with answers like that just to show how > > > > l337 they are. :-) > > > > > > Nope. I have no X running on my linux box. And I prefer secure and > > > threaded emailing. Both things MS Outlook doesn't offer. And acutally I > > > don't need a mouse for doing my e-mail stuff. It's always nice when I > > > can laugh about the e-mails containing viruses in my mailbox which > > > happens pretty frequently though. :( > > > > > > Outlook therefor offers nice e-mail folders and filters... > > > > > > If he wants to have threading and a secure linux mail client he should > > > try mutt. If he doesn't like it he can switch it anyways > > > > > > > Yah and my 486 still makes a great paper weight to, get with the times, > > not using a mouse doesn't make you cool anymore, just unproductive, > > Not for reading e-mails. One knows the hotkeys one needs so it's not a > hassle > > > [...sorry about flaming but i'm sick of ppl who think that not using X > > and are terrified of a mouse are cool, i see them all the time as i am a > > bitchx developer, and they always try and come in and impress us with > > there l33tness] > > Well bitchx sucks(my personal opinion). It has to much automatisisms one > has to deactivate before on can use it(at least it was 2 years ago). I > will stick to my graphical Windows IRC client > > The rest of my apps run under windows. Reading e-mails through a ssh > session on my linux box which has no monitor is no problem. For > cut&paste I'm using the mouse on my Windows box within the ssh session > as well. > > But it's strange. You are flameing me instead of giving the initiator an > answer. The initiator asked for a e-mail-client that supports threading. > mutt supports threading and that was the thing the initiator asked for. > Remember? > > Regards > Udo > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Multi-threaded email client
Hi! On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 01:00:49AM -0400, Nicholas Hockey wrote: > On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 23:53, Udo Held wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:59:06PM -0400, Tyler Overkill Schwend wrote: > > > > www.mutt.org > > > > > > > > A text emailclient. It's working fine in my console > > > > ans supports > > > > threads. > > > > > > It seems people respond with answers like that just to show how > > > l337 they are. :-) > > > > Nope. I have no X running on my linux box. And I prefer secure and > > threaded emailing. Both things MS Outlook doesn't offer. And acutally I > > don't need a mouse for doing my e-mail stuff. It's always nice when I > > can laugh about the e-mails containing viruses in my mailbox which > > happens pretty frequently though. :( > > > > Outlook therefor offers nice e-mail folders and filters... > > > > If he wants to have threading and a secure linux mail client he should > > try mutt. If he doesn't like it he can switch it anyways > > > > Yah and my 486 still makes a great paper weight to, get with the times, > not using a mouse doesn't make you cool anymore, just unproductive, Not for reading e-mails. One knows the hotkeys one needs so it's not a hassle > [...sorry about flaming but i'm sick of ppl who think that not using X > and are terrified of a mouse are cool, i see them all the time as i am a > bitchx developer, and they always try and come in and impress us with > there l33tness] Well bitchx sucks(my personal opinion). It has to much automatisisms one has to deactivate before on can use it(at least it was 2 years ago). I will stick to my graphical Windows IRC client The rest of my apps run under windows. Reading e-mails through a ssh session on my linux box which has no monitor is no problem. For cut&paste I'm using the mouse on my Windows box within the ssh session as well. But it's strange. You are flameing me instead of giving the initiator an answer. The initiator asked for a e-mail-client that supports threading. mutt supports threading and that was the thing the initiator asked for. Remember? Regards Udo ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] HZ=1000 and CPU-usage on FreeBSD 5.0
> lower??? are you sure? our servers used slightly more CPU with HZ=1000, > not that much but still not lower :) Bjorn is the only one arround here which lowers his CPU usage while he increases the HZ value... Quite... Amazing. -- http://gamez.solexine.fr ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Celeron CPUPROC
> > Alfred - here is Intel Cel. cpuproc - > > processor : 0 > vendor_id : GenuineIntel > cpu family : 15 > model : 1 > model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz > stepping: 3 > cpu MHz : 1699.814 > cache size : 256 KB > fdiv_bug: no > hlt_bug : no > f00f_bug: no > coma_bug: no > fpu : yes > fpu_exception : yes > cpuid level : 2 > wp : yes > flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca > cmov pat pse36 clflush dts > acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm > bogomips: 3374.09 > > Heres mine: processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : Celeron (Coppermine) stepping: 10 cpu MHz : 1008.322 cache size : 128 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse bogomips: 1964.92 This one runs i486 if you let hlds_run determine the binaries to use. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Celeron CPUPROC
I'm running a 15-Slot CS Server on my Celeron 1200, 256 MB Ram. I noticed increased CPU-usage since I run 3.1.1.1, but only around 10-20% more (depends on the map), so this is no real problem for me. I took a look at the list of running processes, and I'm running hlds_i686... So it looks like hlds_run DOES recognize my celly correctly... Heres my /proc/cpuinfo: processor : 0 vendor_id : GenuineIntel cpu family : 6 model : 11 model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU1200MHz stepping: 1 cpu MHz : 1202.767 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug: no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug: no coma_bug: no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 2 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse bogomips: 2398.61 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
