Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As I previously stated. if you want to continue to sell it, then it needs to have continued support. Valve continues to market the game via STEAM and as such needs to commit to supporting it. Fair is fair and the back catalog is being marketed yet. Its not like many of these issues have not been around for a long time. For instance Host_Error: UserMsg: Not Present on Client 57 This effects any server with player slots above 26, no matter the bandwidth available (and yes we have 3.0 dual xeons with only 4 servers on the box, with only one large pub). It is occuring on both windows and linux servers and the issue has been brought to support only to get this reply: You will want to joing the HLDS mailing list and post your questions regarding this issue. We cannot provide in depth support for HLDS And yes Alfred is aware of this problem yet it has remained an issue for over a year now. This problem IS occuring in all VALVe mods using hlds from CS to CZ, NS and TFC. That is why you see very few 32 player servers and if you do, you will not last long before half the server gets dropped with the error message sitting in your console. So how about at least fixing this issue, being as it has been left for so long to plague servers? Discussion is what we are having... blowing it off as being a maturity issue is not addressing the issue at hand. As for the age of the software... if you sell the software via STEAM today then for all practical purposes it is one day old and the support should be in place. http://www.mail-archive.com/hlcoders@list.valvesoftware.com/msg07373.html -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
Original message from Michael Krohn: As I previously stated. if you want to continue to sell it, then it needs to have continued support. They have no obligation to do any such thing. You don't pay for a service. In fact, the software you are complaining about (dedicated server) is a free download. Get over yourself already. -- Chris ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
I wonder what the developer work effort is between Valve products... I severely doubt it will happen ! but I would love to know from any Valve employee how many man hours or how much team effort is being given to hlds/l, counter-strike, counter-strike:source, VAC2, DOD:source and even 'other upcoming projects'. If we knew for definite that hlds support was never going to pick up again and for work to stop in the near future (if not already), hlds server providers could steel themselves for a move to srcds or at least make an informed decision on what next. Is there a date announced for DOD:source ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric (Deacon) Sent: 12 May 2005 14:30 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux * This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods Group Limited or it's subsidiaries. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The Registered Office of Littlewoods Group Limited and it's subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Group Limited is 5059352. * This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak
No date for DOD Source no, not that what I've heard. Though your on about providers that could steel themselves for a move, well msot providers would of already moved most of their systems over. I for one moved the majority unless otherwise requested, moved over to srcds, it was very un-troublesome and pretty pain free moving over. Plus you know that Valve will support it, and any major issues which will obviously crop up will be fixed to a certain degree of speed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McCormack, Chris Sent: 12 May 2005 14:56 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak I wonder what the developer work effort is between Valve products... I severely doubt it will happen ! but I would love to know from any Valve employee how many man hours or how much team effort is being given to hlds/l, counter-strike, counter-strike:source, VAC2, DOD:source and even 'other upcoming projects'. If we knew for definite that hlds support was never going to pick up again and for work to stop in the near future (if not already), hlds server providers could steel themselves for a move to srcds or at least make an informed decision on what next. Is there a date announced for DOD:source ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric (Deacon) Sent: 12 May 2005 14:30 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] cs-1.6 -- definitive memory leak In a bold display of creativity, Chris Jones wrote: They have no obligation to do any such thing. What, *legally* is what you're talking about? I have no idea what their legal responsibilities are, but I would suggest that it makes good business sense to support your clients and perform maintenance on your products as needed. And in the specific case of Valve's library of products, bear in mind that while you sneeringly point out that there's no fee to run the game server products, those game server products being run by the community are the lifeblood of Valve's software. What you're basically saying is, H...as a server admin, Valve isn't charging me to do them a favor. You're supporting and helping to create a market for their software. I think it's reasonable to expect a little support for that in return, and I think Valve's shown that they believe that as well. They may seem a little slow-moving from time to time, but for the most part, they do get the job done. And I think you'd find that they'd argue against your rather inane points. I think, perhaps, you're getting more caught up in arguing for argument's sake than in reasoned discourse. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux * This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods Group Limited or it's subsidiaries. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The Registered Office of Littlewoods Group Limited and it's subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Group Limited is 5059352. * This message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
-- Dear folks at Valve, the cvar is being tv_port is beeing ignored by srcds. Please fix it. Regards Christoph -- Content-Description: Digital signature [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
Christoph Franke wrote: -- Dear folks at Valve, the cvar is being tv_port is beeing ignored by srcds. Please fix it. Regards Christoph -- Content-Description: Digital signature [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Dear users of this list, read the archives first.. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
Christoph Franke wrote: the cvar is being tv_port is beeing ignored by srcds. Please fix it. How are you trying to implement it? -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
Specify it on the command line not in the server config. Might be wise to enquire if its your fault, before stating things don't work and need fixing next time; makes u look rather silly. Steve / K - Original Message - From: Christoph Franke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear folks at Valve, the cvar is being tv_port is beeing ignored by srcds. Please fix it. This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
- Original Message - From: Christoph Franke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, I read the documentation at http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/general/source_tv.html and found this marked as console command not as launch option. But beeing such a stupid I deeply regret taking your precious time and am grateful to share the same planet with you. I take it you don't want help in the future. Steve / K This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] SourceTV - port is ignored
-- m0gely - Thu, May 12 2005 10:40:14 -0700: Christoph Franke wrote: Now, I read the documentation at http://www.valve-erc.com/srcsdk/general/source_tv.html and found this marked as console command not as launch option. From the same document: tv_port port Sets the SourceTV host port (default 27020). *Must be specified in command line or autoexec.cfg* Strange. I see *** Console Commands tv_port port Set the SourceTV host port (default 27020) *** and over this just two command line parameters: *** Command Line Parameters -nohltv / -tvdisable Disables all SourceTV features on this game server. -tvmasteronly SourceTV can only serve one client and can't be used as relay proxy. *** Anyway, thanks for your help Christoph Edit: haha, F5 brought up *Must be specified in command line or autoexec.cfg*. Ok, documentation was changed. -- Content-Description: Digital signature [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
Ya, me too, gonna be a while yet. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabotage Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
Im already dead. - Original Message - From: Sabotage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
This is proof of life after death. Im already dead. - Original Message - From: Sabotage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
Ugh...what's awhile? Within the next hour, because in another hour its going to be 8PST, or not at all now? Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: Ya, me too, gonna be a while yet. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabotage Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
I told my GF I could not go out today... I did not say it was because of update.. I know. Thanx Alfred. Ya, me too, gonna be a while yet. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabotage Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] aim_map_s
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Anyone have the map aim_map_s for linux? Segfaults a server when the map is switched to it under linux, windows is fine though. - Andrew -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] aim_map_s
It needs to be recompiled to run under linux. On 5/13/05, Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Anyone have the map aim_map_s for linux? Segfaults a server when the map is switched to it under linux, windows is fine though. - Andrew -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ML Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] aim_map_s
Am I able to do this or only the map author? - Original Message - From: Matt Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] aim_map_s It needs to be recompiled to run under linux. On 5/13/05, Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Anyone have the map aim_map_s for linux? Segfaults a server when the map is switched to it under linux, windows is fine though. - Andrew -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ML Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] aim_map_s
map author, need the source data for the map to be able to compile it On 5/12/05, Andrew Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I able to do this or only the map author? -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon
Is the update still on for tonight? Z Teknology G-Mail wrote: Ugh...what's awhile? Within the next hour, because in another hour its going to be 8PST, or not at all now? Zack Alfred Reynolds wrote: Ya, me too, gonna be a while yet. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabotage Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:10 PM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source update soon The wait is killig me. There will be a Counter-Strike: Source update within the new few hours (later tonight, PST timezone). This update will be large (as it contains two new maps). - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
