AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Hi Bryan, hi folks. So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until valve roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY advertisement serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their servers!). Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to make money with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money! For a hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve tries to force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they would state not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we are not. And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement on your page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may consult THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the customers but if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad attitude. Dont let them get away with this!!! Simon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bryan Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the
Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I bet Valve have been wanting to figure out a way to kill of HL1/CS 1.6 for ages. I guess they worked out how. :) On 3/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bryan, hi folks. So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until valve roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY advertisement serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their servers!). Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to make money with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money! For a hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve tries to force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they would state not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we are not. And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement on your page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may consult THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the customers but if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad attitude. Dont let them get away with this!!! Simon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bryan Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads.
[hlds_linux] Re: hlds_linux digest, Vol 1 #5502 - 6 msgs
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Whisp wrote... -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I bet Valve have been wanting to figure out a way to kill of HL1/CS 1.6for ages. I guess they worked out how. :) BIG LOL .. you have my support. this IS wrong. i dont play/host cs1.6 but if i see ads in css ill stop hosting all css servers. Valve is not google... ads? ok let me play free your games if you want to loose all players over BF or UT or any else right way to do it!! ITS ALL ABOUT COMPETITIVE GAMING!!! ;) cheers m8's... -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
FFS. Why do you shut down your servers? You think that the advertisements are on your servers? Well, they are not. The ad's are downloaded directly from Valve's servers, not yours. The ad-functionality is client-side not SERVER-SIDE. Your servers do not have any ad's or so. Don't whine please. HL is 10 years old game and maintaining the games functionality cost much money to valve and the money has to come somewhere. Get a life or go fuck yourself. [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Hi Bryan, hi folks. So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until valve roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY advertisement serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their servers!). Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to make money with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money! For a hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve tries to force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they would state not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we are not. And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement on your page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may consult THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the customers but if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad attitude. Dont let them get away with this!!! Simon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bryan Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Very polite comments from you. No need to get rude on us. Closing servers must not have been an easy decision but some people just dont tolerate advertisements when they have had the game without them before. While the advertisements are not at the server itself, they still need a server to be shown. Would it be the create server or dedicated or hlds, its still a server. People who do not like the advertisements, have closed their servers down because of them, not because they think that adverts are on their servers. I'm not denying that running the game doesnt eat money but since Steam was established and 1.6 released along with it, the game itself has been pretty much integrated into Steam and its income, hence without Steam, 1.6 would not work nor would Source either. Therefore, expences of the game can be covered with Steam income. Steam already has adds and they are more widely seen than in 1.6 so basically Valve just is looking for more ways to earn income. They have not made a statement of being in funding problems or anything like that. Instead i remember of reading that this is new way for advertisers to have their products to be advertised on new channels. Needless to say, I and several others are very much against advertisements. It doesnt matter if they are on client or server, its still the same opinion. No adds. -ics Valtteri Kiviniemi kirjoitti: FFS. Why do you shut down your servers? You think that the advertisements are on your servers? Well, they are not. The ad's are downloaded directly from Valve's servers, not yours. The ad-functionality is client-side not SERVER-SIDE. Your servers do not have any ad's or so. Don't whine please. HL is 10 years old game and maintaining the games functionality cost much money to valve and the money has to come somewhere. Get a life or go fuck yourself. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[9] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 6. http://mail.yahoo.de 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 8. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux __ NOD32 2106 (20070310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Yes, you are right about that. But, if youre so willing to get rid of the ads just do a simple prog. There is a clientfunction which raffles the ad to different places. The function always returns zero (0) if it asks new ad from server. If you do a prog that always return zero to the functiont the ad's will never show up. ics kirjoitti: Very polite comments from you. No need to get rude on us. Closing servers must not have been an easy decision but some people just dont tolerate advertisements when they have had the game without them before. While the advertisements are not at the server itself, they still need a server to be shown. Would it be the create server or dedicated or hlds, its still a server. People who do not like the advertisements, have closed their servers down because of them, not because they think that adverts are on their servers. I'm not denying that running the game doesnt eat money but since Steam was established and 1.6 released along with it, the game itself has been pretty much integrated into Steam and its income, hence without Steam, 1.6 would not work nor would Source either. Therefore, expences of the game can be covered with Steam income. Steam already has adds and they are more widely seen than in 1.6 so basically Valve just is looking for more ways to earn income. They have not made a statement of being in funding problems or anything like that. Instead i remember of reading that this is new way for advertisers to have their products to be advertised on new channels. Needless to say, I and several others are very much against advertisements. It doesnt matter if they are on client or server, its still the same opinion. No adds. -ics Valtteri Kiviniemi kirjoitti: FFS. Why do you shut down your servers? You think that the advertisements are on your servers? Well, they are not. The ad's are downloaded directly from Valve's servers, not yours. The ad-functionality is client-side not SERVER-SIDE. Your servers do not have any ad's or so. Don't whine please. HL is 10 years old game and maintaining the games functionality cost much money to valve and the money has to come somewhere. Get a life or go fuck yourself. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] CS Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The way I see it, server hosts have 3 options. 1. Quit hosting CS 2. Wait until a way has been found to defeat the ads. There are enough geeks out there that play cs, it is only a matter of time until a way is found to get the ads back out of the game. 3. Shut up and deal with it b/c we know that valve doesn't listen to us anyway. Look at what they did to DoD:S 4. Might be possible for server hosts to sue but I'm no lawyer. My .02 Thanks Jordan Bagwell -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] CS Ads
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] should of added a #5 there :) go back to cs1.5 :p On 10/03/07, Jordan Bagwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The way I see it, server hosts have 3 options. 1. Quit hosting CS 2. Wait until a way has been found to defeat the ads. There are enough geeks out there that play cs, it is only a matter of time until a way is found to get the ads back out of the game. 3. Shut up and deal with it b/c we know that valve doesn't listen to us anyway. Look at what they did to DoD:S 4. Might be possible for server hosts to sue but I'm no lawyer. My .02 Thanks Jordan Bagwell -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[9] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 6. http://mail.yahoo.de 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 8. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux __ NOD32 2106 (20070310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
Well why since its evident you are a lemming why don't you just let valve run your life since its evident you have no balls to stand up against unacceptable and unethical practices Crazy_One Valtteri Kiviniemi wrote: FFS. Why do you shut down your servers? You think that the advertisements are on your servers? Well, they are not. The ad's are downloaded directly from Valve's servers, not yours. The ad-functionality is client-side not SERVER-SIDE. Your servers do not have any ad's or so. Don't whine please. HL is 10 years old game and maintaining the games functionality cost much money to valve and the money has to come somewhere. Get a life or go fuck yourself. [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: Hi Bryan, hi folks. So did we! We have shutdown all CounterStrike1.6 servers so far until valve roll back or gives administrator an option to disable ANY advertisement serverside (so client dont see any advertisement when on their servers!). Valve has no costs at all to run our servers. In fact they try to make money with our knowledge, our infrastructure and our machines - our money! For a hoster its a nono to place advertisments for competitors but valve tries to force them to do so. any promises of valve are worthless if they would state not to do so. they have thrown away our trust in them and we will not believe anything of valve but things the DO. words are patient - we are not. And to all hosters: shut down your cs1.6 servers, place a statement on your page why. Tell your customers that valve is responsible and they may consult THEM. Ofcourse that will cause to pay back some money to the customers but if we dont do it now, then valve will come away with this bad attitude. Dont let them get away with this!!! Simon -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bryan Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 06:31 An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] We have made that decision, our CS 1.6 server is down for good. In game advertising is wrong. Should they push it to CSS then we will shut that server down as well. Crazy_One David Williams wrote: if you read tyhe TOS it states that valve can change of modify them without notice and at will. Also you have no case to return the game for an excahnge as youare outside (in th UK atleast) the maximum time you are allowed to do so (this is 30 days). You could try complaining to valve but considering the first page of this you'd have a job getting what you want. At the end of the day there is nothing we can do short of shutting down the servers to whatever period in time we choose. It's just i have a feeling that considering there is a large amount of money involved on our end i don't think that will happen. We'll just have to put up and shut up and deal with the cards we have been dealt. Thomas S. Crum - AAA Web Solution wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- It would clearly be a breach of implied contract. Any judge understands paid for software is different than ad supported software and furthermore the software was initially purchased and used without ads. Now the deal was changed without your agreement. Have you contacted Valve for a refund of your money, since you no longer agree with the updated terms of use? I would start there. A tweak here or there can be made w/in a TOS, but I would argue this is a material change and a breach of contract if they don't refund your money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my
Re: AW: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads
money. Under deposition I would determine if this wasn't planned even years before. Now we get into that whole tort thing that gets you punitive damages... Big$. lol Furthermore, does it clearly state that the ads are part of Valve and not the server itself that you are playing on? If not, then as a server owner I want to share in the revenue. If they won't give you a refund, find some attorney. This would definitely fall into class action status. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Parker Lewis Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] CS 1.6 in game Ads First my personal statement on the new ads: I hate them. Mostly the annoying topleft banner (did ya recently played deathmatch/gungame? A 3 seconds delayed spawning makes this ad really disturbing..). The question I have is: Is it legal? You can apply it on everything: buying something ad-free, which is unstoppable selfupdating to another ad-version, is against my understanding of a contract of sell. But probably I'm right and we have the right to bring the game back receiving the money - but we wont do it ;). As a customer of HL:CS Im feeling a little bit twit by Valve. But again, I could exchange the game :). If someone starts some action against this (e.g. a day shutting down / password protecting all of our servers), I woul thankful participate. Just to let out my disaffection. And to let out some tears.. Moreover I can't do more, as activating a bunch of plugins, anti-advertising the Valve ads. I know, this is really childish. But what to do else? Taking Valve to court? :) --- Frederick P [EMAIL PROTECTED][4] schrieb: Well, they are finally here... a lot of negative feedbacks so far... I personally don't see the reason to have in game Ads. People paid for the product, they deserve having a product without Ads. It makes more sense for a Free version of CS 1.6 to be released that has Ad support and also giving an option for people to buy the game which will remove the Ads. This is truly annoying. Valve only has vac and authentication servers, Valve isn't the company that hosts the actual game servers for people to play on. I don't see any reason for this idea to be added to Ad unless if it is a marketing scheme to kill off CS 1.6 and get people into CS Source. Feedback? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[5] ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de[6] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[7] -- [ smime.p7s of type application/x-pkcs7-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[8] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux[9] ===References:=== 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 6. http://mail.yahoo.de 7. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 8. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux 9. http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux __ NOD32 2106 (20070310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
