Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
That sounds weird... :P Should we ask ourself what redhat (or any other dist) is first of all. It's no a company/group who writes there own program and sell it... No, instead they take programs which they think would fit in there product and sell it togheter with other programs, pre configured so they will work pretty much out of the box. So if 90% of all linux users out there uses redhat and someone suddenly reports a bug in ssh or apache. Then ofcourse statistics would say that 90% of the bugs under linux are in redhat distributions. But ops, there wasn't a bug in redhat itself, it was in the program ssh or apache the bug existed... Therefor can you not say that some dist is more secure than someone else. Because they are all made of the same kernel, and if you choose to run all the stupid services as default then you are the worst security whole ever :P /Oscar MKiller wrote: >>Most hacked servers are redhat for the simple reason, theres more redhat >>servers than any other distro flavour. >> >> > >Some statistics say that 90% of bugs under linux are in red hat distributions xD > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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>Most hacked servers are redhat for the simple reason, theres more redhat >servers than any other distro flavour. Some statistics say that 90% of bugs under linux are in red hat distributions xD ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
LOL I did that to my friend who was trying to IGMP Nuke me, and I BSoDed his Windows 98 Machine and destroyed his LAN lol. It was funny, but i Had to fix it. The Ace Man - Original Message - From: "Brian A. Stumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > > Not that *I* would do this, but some server operators might just beat him > to the punch and ping -f -s 65507 his butt off the net... > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Kirt Senser wrote: > > > when i had a server it was on an OC-12 (600 mbit or so) at one of verio's > > east coast datacenters. > > > > the script kiddies could try all they want on that. Verio liked to hunt > > down the dumb ones too. ;D > > > > >From: "jeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > >Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:24:09 -0700 > > > > > >Hahaha that's hilarious, what kind of link do you have? Could it handle > > >more than 100M? usually some script kids have a lot of bw.. I've been > > >'packeted' a few times and since I run my own ds3 and 100mbit lines, I > > >have access to the router so I built a special box and logged off the > > >cisco 7206vxr and made the kid regret it. > > > > > >j > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kirt > > >Senser > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:42 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > > > > >he's probably the usual 12 year old whiney crybaby CS player and > > >actually > > >can't do what he's threatening to do. what he *meant* to say is that > > >he's > > >going to PACKET your server, which is the script kiddies ping flood. > > >usually, through the glory of IRC bots, little wanna-be hackers will > > >have > > >hundreds of bots all over the internet on IRC servers all the way around > > >the > > >world ping you at the same time. since this is not a true ping flood > > >(ping > > >-f as root) they call it a packet flood, because it's coming from many > > >different directions at once. it won't actually hurt your server, and > > >worse > > >case scenario they might be able to DoS (Denial of Service) you for a > > >little > > >bit by saturating your bandwidth with pings. however, since the kid > > >didn't > > >even know what he was talking about, i wouldn't worry too much. > > > > > >-kirt > > > > > > > > > >I put this as [OT] since i don't know if it's HLDS related or Server > > >side > > > >related... :) > > > > > > > >I was playing tonight with a clan member against someone(fax0r), on > > > >fy_iceworld.. And after killing him few times to not say may times... > > >He > > > >sayd... > > > > > > > >L 07/16/2002 - 04:37:02: "fax0r<72><1831389>" say "you know > > > >what" > > > >L 07/16/2002 - 04:37:07: "-=KEBEK=-Vermine<44><675307>" say "?" > > > >L 07/16/2002 - 04:37:11: "fax0r<72><1831389>" say "im gonna > > > >pocket your server" > > > >L 07/16/2002 - 04:37:17: "fax0r<72><1831389>" say "hows > > >that" > > > >(dead) > > > > > > > >What i'm asking here is: Should i fear to be pocketed .. And first of > > >all, > > > >anyone know what this mean !??? :) > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
Actually this thread has been pretty civil and informative w/ people sharing info about their OS's. OT from the starting comment but, someone pee in your corn flakes this morning? There are better things to be pissed about. - m0gely > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Reinhardt > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > Just STFU ... STOP THIS FLAME WAR NOW! > > One Pissed, > Ace Man ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
It's like a fire extinguisher filled with petrol. -Original Message- From: Daniel Reinhardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? Just STFU all of you this has been an endless debate between people of the Penguin Religion. Please take this bullsh*t off the list. Everyone has their choice of an Operating System. People use Windows, People use Linux, People Use Unix, People use Sun, People Use MACS, and other operating systems. Get back onto topic obviously you all mised my joke about the Pocket, but Jeeve Got it. Are you into deep in this flame war about which Linux/Unix Distro is more |337 than the other, its like comparing IDE to SCSI. . Sheesh, why cant everyone respect the opinions of others and leave it at that. STOP THIS FLAME WAR NOW! One Pissed, Ace Man - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > > Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro > > > over another is pure biggotry. > > > > hehe, gentoo ROXORZ j00R B0XORz ! (www.gentoo.org ) > > > > hehe, couldnt resist. > > You're right, though. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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http://www.zoloft.com/ -- Eric (the Deacon remix) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel Reinhardt > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > Just STFU all of you this has been an endless debate between people of the > Penguin Religion. Please take this bullsh*t off the list. Everyone has > their choice of an Operating System. People use Windows, People use > Linux, > People Use Unix, People use Sun, People Use MACS, and other operating > systems. Get back onto topic obviously you all mised my joke about the > Pocket, but Jeeve Got it. Are you into deep in this flame war about which > Linux/Unix Distro is more |337 than the other, its like comparing IDE to > SCSI. . Sheesh, why cant everyone respect the opinions of others and > leave > it at that. STOP THIS FLAME WAR NOW! > > One Pissed, > Ace Man > - Original Message - > From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:26 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > > > > > Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over > > > > another is pure biggotry. > > > > > > hehe, gentoo ROXORZ j00R B0XORz ! (www.gentoo.org ) > > > > > > hehe, couldnt resist. > > > > You're right, though. > > > > -- > > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
Just STFU all of you this has been an endless debate between people of the Penguin Religion. Please take this bullsh*t off the list. Everyone has their choice of an Operating System. People use Windows, People use Linux, People Use Unix, People use Sun, People Use MACS, and other operating systems. Get back onto topic obviously you all mised my joke about the Pocket, but Jeeve Got it. Are you into deep in this flame war about which Linux/Unix Distro is more |337 than the other, its like comparing IDE to SCSI. . Sheesh, why cant everyone respect the opinions of others and leave it at that. STOP THIS FLAME WAR NOW! One Pissed, Ace Man - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? > > > Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over > > > another is pure biggotry. > > > > hehe, gentoo ROXORZ j00R B0XORz ! (www.gentoo.org ) > > > > hehe, couldnt resist. > > You're right, though. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
> > Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over > > another is pure biggotry. > > hehe, gentoo ROXORZ j00R B0XORz ! (www.gentoo.org ) > > hehe, couldnt resist. You're right, though. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
> Hmm, you obviously don't understand anything at all. I'll stop wasting > time with you. Just a hint: you might want to either argue more intelligently or take it off the lists. Or better: do both. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] From: Kevin J. Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue Jul 16, 2002 06:55:34 PM US/Eastern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 03:04 PM, Prodigy wrote: Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over another is pure biggotry. hehe, gentoo ROXORZ j00R B0XORz ! (www.gentoo.org ) hehe, couldnt resist. kev -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
really? I wasn't aware of that. dunno if he was using the stock 2.2 kernel or had upgraded to 2.4 or not... is it freebsd's ipstack, or did they emulate it? On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 07:15 PM, Jeremy Brooking wrote: > On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 11:09, Kevin J. Anderson wrote: >> My observations about freebsd vs linux with hlds servers are this: >> >> a while ago, a friend of mine used to host a server at the company he >> worked at sitting on a seriously fat pipe right off a major backbone. >> it originally started out on linux, (slimmed down debian) and then one >> day he decided to put on freebsd as a learning experience etc etc. the >> pings dropped to that server by like 10-15 with in game ping times... >> and I am not kidding. it was on a very superior pipe in the first >> place though, so it was quite noticeable when your pings all of a >> sudden >> drop from on average 45-50 to 30-35. It was actually uncanny, as the >> day he brought it back up, people were at random like "wow, my ping is >> way lower than normal, you upgrade teh server or something?" I >> attribute >> most of this probably to freebsd's superior ipstack (one of the things >> that every one else wants to get on par with freebsd) although I could >> be wrong and it has nothing to do with that and something with the >> linux >> emulation. (he used ver 7 btw) > > I was under the impression 2.4 onwards kernels implimented a BSD tcp/ip > stack? > >> >> now, on the flip side of that, there is some deal with hl's timing and >> freebsd's kernel that it limits the server frames per second to 50, so >> pingboost, etc won't do jack for you except max it out at 50fps. Now >> this is perfectly fine and dandy for an internet server, but really >> doesn't cut it for a lan server (imho) >> >> just my 2 cents. >> kev >> > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 11:09, Kevin J. Anderson wrote: > My observations about freebsd vs linux with hlds servers are this: > > a while ago, a friend of mine used to host a server at the company he > worked at sitting on a seriously fat pipe right off a major backbone. > it originally started out on linux, (slimmed down debian) and then one > day he decided to put on freebsd as a learning experience etc etc. the > pings dropped to that server by like 10-15 with in game ping times... > and I am not kidding. it was on a very superior pipe in the first > place though, so it was quite noticeable when your pings all of a sudden > drop from on average 45-50 to 30-35. It was actually uncanny, as the > day he brought it back up, people were at random like "wow, my ping is > way lower than normal, you upgrade teh server or something?" I attribute > most of this probably to freebsd's superior ipstack (one of the things > that every one else wants to get on par with freebsd) although I could > be wrong and it has nothing to do with that and something with the linux > emulation. (he used ver 7 btw) I was under the impression 2.4 onwards kernels implimented a BSD tcp/ip stack? > > now, on the flip side of that, there is some deal with hl's timing and > freebsd's kernel that it limits the server frames per second to 50, so > pingboost, etc won't do jack for you except max it out at 50fps. Now > this is perfectly fine and dandy for an internet server, but really > doesn't cut it for a lan server (imho) > > just my 2 cents. > kev > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
Hmm, you obviously don't understand anything at all. I'll stop wasting time with you. j -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Brooking Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 10:19, jeev wrote: > Hmm who said that? Im saying as much as wuftpd has been buggy, I think > redhat should have depricated after the first 36,000 vulnerabilities. > > j What about openssh? Get rid of that too? Apache? The kernel? Hell, you wanna throw away all ciscos too? Strip off inexploitable code and what are you left with... qmail and djbdns. Simple fact is, no box is ever going to be failsafe. Simply install whatever Flavour of *nix you want, RTFM, secure your box, and hope for the best. Its all any systems admin can ever do. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
also, for a nice tri-weekly linux newsletter with various tips and tricks etc, try checking out the penguin shell email broadcast list over at www.lockergnome.com kev On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:28 PM, Eric (Deacon) wrote: >> And as a last question to leave this thread...Do you guys know > mailing >> lists to get help about Linux, because i don't whant to post Linux > related >> question in this mailing list as it's not the purpose of it > > www.linuxdoc.org (http://www.tldp.org/) and Google are the best. #linux > exists on many different networks (including GamesNET), which is good > for basic questions. Usually #hlds on GamesNET (irc.gamesnet.net) has > some pretty knowledgeable linux admins... > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server?
My observations about freebsd vs linux with hlds servers are this: a while ago, a friend of mine used to host a server at the company he worked at sitting on a seriously fat pipe right off a major backbone. it originally started out on linux, (slimmed down debian) and then one day he decided to put on freebsd as a learning experience etc etc. the pings dropped to that server by like 10-15 with in game ping times... and I am not kidding. it was on a very superior pipe in the first place though, so it was quite noticeable when your pings all of a sudden drop from on average 45-50 to 30-35. It was actually uncanny, as the day he brought it back up, people were at random like "wow, my ping is way lower than normal, you upgrade teh server or something?" I attribute most of this probably to freebsd's superior ipstack (one of the things that every one else wants to get on par with freebsd) although I could be wrong and it has nothing to do with that and something with the linux emulation. (he used ver 7 btw) now, on the flip side of that, there is some deal with hl's timing and freebsd's kernel that it limits the server frames per second to 50, so pingboost, etc won't do jack for you except max it out at 50fps. Now this is perfectly fine and dandy for an internet server, but really doesn't cut it for a lan server (imho) just my 2 cents. kev On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:12 PM, m0gely wrote: > What I said about OpenBSD, I meant in terms of a default install. The > user has to do very little if anything at all after the install. And > their worries about security compared to other *nix's would be greatly > lessened. > > I would like to know however, how you determine that Linux is faster > than FreeBSD running HLDS. It would seam obvious that Linux would be > the first choice, however I am just curious about your methods. I too > do not want to start a flame war, but I would like to point out that > FreeBSD has demonstrated running some Linux apps faster than Linux does > natively. The most related to this list that I could find would be this > link regarding the linux Q3A server: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=linux+emul > ation+on+freebsd+is+faster+than+linux&sa=N&tab=wg > > It's the top link. And regarding the FreeBSD hardware/driver support > issue, people shouldn't be too scared, as generally buying reputable > hardware will save you from a lot of trouble. This should be with any > OS though. FreeBSD may not have driver support for every bit of brand > new hardware all the time, but then, what OS does? > > - m0gely > >> -Original Message- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Prodigy >> >> Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over >> another is pure biggotry. Redhat can be ultra secure just like any > other >> OS when SETUP correctly. Having every service started for you by > default >> in inetd doesn't help, this where knowledge really becomes key. >> >> OpenBSD is really only suitable as a packetfilter or webserver. > FreeBSD >> is great, however, it suffers from a lack of corporate sponsorship, > and >> hence linux is really where you want to go, beccause its got big blue >> amongst other corporate proponents behind it. Whereas FreeBSD won't > have >> that driver written yet, linux probably will. And if you are going to >> host HLDS you should do it under linux, where it was natively ported > to. >> I've hosted HLDS under both OSes, and it IS faster under linux, > whether to >> use one over the other is sheerly based on how tightly you want to > load >> the box. >> >> Everyone who doesn't know linux read this tho, no ONE distro is king. >> They are all good, and all have their advantages. Slackware is the > best >> if you want a CLEAN install, with SIMPLE config/start files, and a non >> cluttered and non confusing layout. RedHat and Debian are excellent > if >> you are new, and don't want to be compiling source code, you can use > their >> excellent package management systems. Suse is based off slackware and > has >> many of its desirable features, and some from other distros. Thats > just >> the tip of the stack. >> >> Don't take any one's opinion too seriously, try them all if you can, >> figure out what YOU will like best. And as with ANY OS, become aware > of >> the particular vulnerabilities and weaknesses of your OS. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Prodigy >> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:25:45 -0700 >> "jeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hahahaha
