[hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Not just hats -- we've had a problem with items as well (invisible/ missing flamethrowers seem to be common). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
I have the occasional problem of an entire enemy solly(yes only that class) going invisible for a single spawn but i'll only see it 1 or twice a week, possibly related. I'm pretty interested in the sm plugin you mentioned, do you have a direct link I cant seem to find it on allied. ~ Michael On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
its a known bug Every time I read this on those mailing lists, I start thinking: how many are there out there that are known and still wait for some solution. I know a couple I encountered myself/read here or on spuf or other places, and those I encountered I have reported, but only a very small amount of those are ever addressed. Its like a stopgap: only repairing what ppl are most complaining about... I often wonder if Valve is even running some form of a bug-tracking/prioritizing system and even if so, that they are assigned a priority level instead of the default valve time to solve. Sure sure, I know the game is 4 years old, and still receives regular updates and I should be glad for that etc. But its their big cash earner, and those updates should therefore contain fixes for a bunch of the reported ones. I even wont start on the promised to fix stuff that never came so far, in spite being said months ago or even last year. And in regards to this specific known bug, it should be turned into a optional client sided feature in regards to the hats, paint and their effects individually. I really have no desire to see a Lime painted Dapper topper with some effect on it. Make it a graphical performance option. From: DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2011, 1:44 Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers. Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Oh, sorry, I looked at that and thought double regen [health] in spawn On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Valentin G. nextra...@googlemail.comwrote: It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Here's the plugin: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1456514 On Aug 13, 2011 8:31 PM, Valentin G. nextra...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Not sure if his plugin is supposed to fix all of the hats and items not showing, but it does not seem to be working. I have installed it and still have a few items not showing up. Haven't tested all of the hats of course, but one of the first one tested did not show, even after lots of respawns and going to the cabinets. The Heavy's hounddog hair/hat is not working and probably lots more. As said before by a few people, this is a known issue. Any stance on Valve whether this is a bug that *may* get fixed or if this is an undocumented feature that is here to stay. After all, hats and items are their only source of income for this game now. It would be nice to have them show up 100% of the time when they are equipped. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Here's the plugin: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1456514 On Aug 13, 2011 8:31 PM, Valentin G. nextra...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
If the map has a model of the hat somewhere in it, then the hat will never show up on players. It depends what type of entity the hat is, though. I think the problem only affects prop_dynamic_override entities. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if his plugin is supposed to fix all of the hats and items not showing, but it does not seem to be working. I have installed it and still have a few items not showing up. Haven't tested all of the hats of course, but one of the first one tested did not show, even after lots of respawns and going to the cabinets. The Heavy's hounddog hair/hat is not working and probably lots more. As said before by a few people, this is a known issue. Any stance on Valve whether this is a bug that *may* get fixed or if this is an undocumented feature that is here to stay. After all, hats and items are their only source of income for this game now. It would be nice to have them show up 100% of the time when they are equipped. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Here's the plugin: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1456514 On Aug 13, 2011 8:31 PM, Valentin G. nextra...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [TF2] Hats not appearing in some servers.
Pls, tell me: Witch part of ctf_turbine I don't get where a million flamethrowers lie on the floor? ;) Am 14.08.2011 um 03:11 schrieb J M invaderam...@gmail.com: If the map has a model of the hat somewhere in it, then the hat will never show up on players. It depends what type of entity the hat is, though. I think the problem only affects prop_dynamic_override entities. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if his plugin is supposed to fix all of the hats and items not showing, but it does not seem to be working. I have installed it and still have a few items not showing up. Haven't tested all of the hats of course, but one of the first one tested did not show, even after lots of respawns and going to the cabinets. The Heavy's hounddog hair/hat is not working and probably lots more. As said before by a few people, this is a known issue. Any stance on Valve whether this is a bug that *may* get fixed or if this is an undocumented feature that is here to stay. After all, hats and items are their only source of income for this game now. It would be nice to have them show up 100% of the time when they are equipped. On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:33 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Here's the plugin: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1456514 On Aug 13, 2011 8:31 PM, Valentin G. nextra...@googlemail.com wrote: It's the Double Regen In Spawn one. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Did EHG happen to publish this sroucemod plugin? I didn't find anything by him on the SM plugin list that fixes the hats ( http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0mod=0title=author=ehgdescription=search=1 ) On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:44 PM, DarthNinja hlds-...@darthninja.com wrote: Its a known bug that hats will sometimes not show until the second time a player hits a resupply cabnet. There's a sourcemod plugin by EHG that fixes that. This might be part of your problem with hats sometimes being visible. On Aug 13, 2011 7:37 PM, Evan dumbd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem where some hats are not showing up for clients. Players are reporting that they cannot see a lot of hats or other cosmetics on other players, but they can see them on other server. I have search through the interwebs and found a lot of posts about people wanting hats or the drop rate... nothing like this. I am not sure if it is a client issue or a server one or if there is something I can do to fix it. More info on when this is happening: Some times I will see a hat that others cannot see and vise-versa. Some times the hat will appear fine one second, then when the player dies and re-spawns the hat is gone. The clients cannot see their own hats when they taunt as well. I have updated the install with -verify-all in case maybe for some reason the server was missing model and causing this issue, but it did not work. Any ideas? -- Evan S. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux