Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
I hope someone at Valve at least looks at the declining player count and the gametracker rankings. I know they don't take server owner opinions seriously, but the numbers speak for themselves. It is sad that a few people feel the need to defend this decision so much that they lie about things like the custom tabs situation. Stopping official servers from being the default won't kill official servers. We coexisted with them for years. It was only when they were all removed in December that a few bad apples started to cause a problem. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:57 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Funny thing about that. They never competed equally. Valve servers always > had the advantage and yet community were still more popular despite that. > > At the minimum valve servers got new players for the first 8 hours of their > gameplay. The cvar still exists: > tf_matchmaking_noob_hours_played 8.0 > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Robert Paulson >wrote: > > > I'm tired of repeating myself to people who only read the last email > > written. So I will address the most common arguments in one post that can > > be copy and pasted every time. > > > > 1) TF2 has fewer players after community servers were removed by default > on > > January 28th. Player count is the most unbiased measure and the facts > show > > more was lost than was gained. Your one personal experience isn't going > to > > change that. > > > > > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time > > > > 2) Community servers are provably better than official servers. When > > community servers competed equally with official servers, there was not a > > single official server in the top 200. Now official servers dominate the > > list because of the monopoly on new players. > > > > http://www.gametracker.com/search/tf2/?query=srcds&searchipp=50 > > > > 3) Many detractors like Phillip Vector are blatantly lying, saying > servers > > were running ads when the custom tabs was around. I also remember there > was > > another detractor that sold pay-to-win perks on CSS zombiefest. > > > > 4) Common Argument: "My own server is doing better than ever, and if your > > server is dying you are doing something wrong" > > > > See #2. Unless you are one of the top 30 servers, official servers now > have > > more players than you and it is going to get worse. Over time your older > > players will quit while the trickle of new players that bother to use the > > browser will not be enough to replace them.. > > > > 5) Common Argument: "I only have custom servers" > > > > All new players are being conditioned to only use quickplay. Many will > > never be aware there are custom servers the way TF2 is designed now. Very > > few people change quickplay options. > > > > 6) Common Argument: "Why can't you build a community without quickplay > like > > before?" > > > > Quickplay did not exist before, and it siphons an estimated 30% of all > > users, including nearly all new players. We predict this percentage will > > increase as older players quit. > > > > 7) Common Argument: "This was better for players" > > > > No one is going to argue servers like bets.tf needed to be removed, but > > Valve should have removed them without killing every other community. > > According to statistics in #1, there was not much of a benefit gained. > > > > When I advocated an official server option, I did not say it should be > > enabled by default. If you personally dislike unofficial servers, you > > should be able to opt-out, but it should not be default. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:41 PM, dan wrote: > > > > > On 25/02/2014 02:24, Weasels Lair wrote: > > > > > >> Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some > other > > >> games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. > > >> > > > > > > That's unsurprising since it's been previous related to every other > time > > > he's posted saying > > > the game is dying in the past. > > > > > > The irony is, he suggested Valve add the checkbox on 2/11/2011, not > once > > > but twice :- > > > > > > 1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers. > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. Allowing players the option to select only Valve Quickplay servers > > >> would > > >> > > > end the player complaints for those that cannot tolerate any > > modifications. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dan. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferen
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
On 27/02/2014 02:51, Robert Paulson wrote: 1) TF2 has fewer players after community servers were removed by default on January 28th. Player count is the most unbiased measure and the facts show more was lost than was gained. Your one personal experience isn't going to change that. The number of TF2 players fluctuates up and down, before and after updates and based upon various different things but most definitely the time of day, time of week and time of year. You should get one of those 'End is nigh' boards and walk up and down outside Valve's HQ in Seattle. Give them something to take their minds off all the dead starfish. You asked for the checkbox. Twice. You got the checkbox. You cannot ask for a checkbox and then complain that players are using it. What did you think would happen? Does anyone here not know how to uncheck that box? It's your first checkbox? There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Everyone started somewhere. Changing options is a normal and healthy part of growing up and becoming an adult. Don't feel rushed or pressured by your peers into changing TF2 options if you don't feel ready. Changing TF2 options won't make your players more likely to stay on your server, they may even leave and play somewhere else. Your first time is important, so make it special - and take a backup! How to respond to peer pressure to change your TF2 options They say : "What's wrong, don't you like my server?" Say "Yes, but I want to get to know it better first" They say : "Your friends are all changing their options!" Say "Yes, but they don't know what's best for me" They say "If you loved me you'd play on my server!" Say "If you loved me you'd leave my options at the defaults until I'm ready!" Lastly, a quote :- In fact, my main conclusion after spending ten years of my life playing TF2 is that joining a server is hard. It’s harder than anything else I’ve ever had to do - Donald Knuth. Wow, Donald, you think? Well, fair enough. Mea culpa. -- Dan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Funny thing about that. They never competed equally. Valve servers always had the advantage and yet community were still more popular despite that. At the minimum valve servers got new players for the first 8 hours of their gameplay. The cvar still exists: tf_matchmaking_noob_hours_played 8.0 On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Robert Paulson wrote: > I'm tired of repeating myself to people who only read the last email > written. So I will address the most common arguments in one post that can > be copy and pasted every time. > > 1) TF2 has fewer players after community servers were removed by default on > January 28th. Player count is the most unbiased measure and the facts show > more was lost than was gained. Your one personal experience isn't going to > change that. > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time > > 2) Community servers are provably better than official servers. When > community servers competed equally with official servers, there was not a > single official server in the top 200. Now official servers dominate the > list because of the monopoly on new players. > > http://www.gametracker.com/search/tf2/?query=srcds&searchipp=50 > > 3) Many detractors like Phillip Vector are blatantly lying, saying servers > were running ads when the custom tabs was around. I also remember there was > another detractor that sold pay-to-win perks on CSS zombiefest. > > 4) Common Argument: "My own server is doing better than ever, and if your > server is dying you are doing something wrong" > > See #2. Unless you are one of the top 30 servers, official servers now have > more players than you and it is going to get worse. Over time your older > players will quit while the trickle of new players that bother to use the > browser will not be enough to replace them.. > > 5) Common Argument: "I only have custom servers" > > All new players are being conditioned to only use quickplay. Many will > never be aware there are custom servers the way TF2 is designed now. Very > few people change quickplay options. > > 6) Common Argument: "Why can't you build a community without quickplay like > before?" > > Quickplay did not exist before, and it siphons an estimated 30% of all > users, including nearly all new players. We predict this percentage will > increase as older players quit. > > 7) Common Argument: "This was better for players" > > No one is going to argue servers like bets.tf needed to be removed, but > Valve should have removed them without killing every other community. > According to statistics in #1, there was not much of a benefit gained. > > When I advocated an official server option, I did not say it should be > enabled by default. If you personally dislike unofficial servers, you > should be able to opt-out, but it should not be default. > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:41 PM, dan wrote: > > > On 25/02/2014 02:24, Weasels Lair wrote: > > > >> Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other > >> games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. > >> > > > > That's unsurprising since it's been previous related to every other time > > he's posted saying > > the game is dying in the past. > > > > The irony is, he suggested Valve add the checkbox on 2/11/2011, not once > > but twice :- > > > > 1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers. > >> > > > > > > 1. Allowing players the option to select only Valve Quickplay servers > >> would > >> > > end the player complaints for those that cannot tolerate any > modifications. > > > > > > -- > > Dan. > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
I'm tired of repeating myself to people who only read the last email written. So I will address the most common arguments in one post that can be copy and pasted every time. 1) TF2 has fewer players after community servers were removed by default on January 28th. Player count is the most unbiased measure and the facts show more was lost than was gained. Your one personal experience isn't going to change that. http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time 2) Community servers are provably better than official servers. When community servers competed equally with official servers, there was not a single official server in the top 200. Now official servers dominate the list because of the monopoly on new players. http://www.gametracker.com/search/tf2/?query=srcds&searchipp=50 3) Many detractors like Phillip Vector are blatantly lying, saying servers were running ads when the custom tabs was around. I also remember there was another detractor that sold pay-to-win perks on CSS zombiefest. 4) Common Argument: "My own server is doing better than ever, and if your server is dying you are doing something wrong" See #2. Unless you are one of the top 30 servers, official servers now have more players than you and it is going to get worse. Over time your older players will quit while the trickle of new players that bother to use the browser will not be enough to replace them.. 5) Common Argument: "I only have custom servers" All new players are being conditioned to only use quickplay. Many will never be aware there are custom servers the way TF2 is designed now. Very few people change quickplay options. 6) Common Argument: "Why can't you build a community without quickplay like before?" Quickplay did not exist before, and it siphons an estimated 30% of all users, including nearly all new players. We predict this percentage will increase as older players quit. 7) Common Argument: "This was better for players" No one is going to argue servers like bets.tf needed to be removed, but Valve should have removed them without killing every other community. According to statistics in #1, there was not much of a benefit gained. When I advocated an official server option, I did not say it should be enabled by default. If you personally dislike unofficial servers, you should be able to opt-out, but it should not be default. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:41 PM, dan wrote: > On 25/02/2014 02:24, Weasels Lair wrote: > >> Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other >> games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. >> > > That's unsurprising since it's been previous related to every other time > he's posted saying > the game is dying in the past. > > The irony is, he suggested Valve add the checkbox on 2/11/2011, not once > but twice :- > > 1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers. >> > > > 1. Allowing players the option to select only Valve Quickplay servers >> would >> > end the player complaints for those that cannot tolerate any modifications. > > > -- > Dan. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
On 25/02/2014 02:24, Weasels Lair wrote: Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. That's unsurprising since it's been previous related to every other time he's posted saying the game is dying in the past. The irony is, he suggested Valve add the checkbox on 2/11/2011, not once but twice :- 1. Add a check-box for Valve-only/Favorites-only Quickplay servers. 1. Allowing players the option to select only Valve Quickplay servers would end the player complaints for those that cannot tolerate any modifications. -- Dan. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
You two aren't getting the point though. If it is the same trend as before, then community servers got massively screwed over for very little benefit. This doesn't even take into account that TF2 is free-to-play with frequent updates. It should be trending upwards like Dota2. Not the same magnitude, but if it is not even increasing after the supposed problem of community servers were fixed, then this was clearly a bad tradeoff. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Erik-jan Riemers wrote: > I've always noticed that during the holidays/summer you have more players, > and at the end of the year to and the start of the year its still low. > After that it goes up again. > > > 2014-02-25 3:24 GMT+01:00 Weasels Lair : > > > Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other > > games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. Looks like > > game-play for most of the games goes up/down about the same percent at > > about the same time. > > > > > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440q240q10q730&from=136169280&to=139322880 > > > > TF2 just seems to swing more wildly. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Robert Paulson > >wrote: > > > > > TF2 player counts have stagnated and even dropped a bit since January > 23. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time > > > > > > To Fletcher and any other Valve employee responsible for this change: > > This > > > change will harm TF2 popularity in the long run. Please don't put this > on > > > the back burner because it is destroying player-bases that took years > to > > > build. It takes a long time for a server to reach critical mass. > > > > > > There are very few people using quickpick or changing quickplay > options. > > We > > > know this because quickplay connects remained at 7%, down from 30% > before > > > these changes. Since there is no communication what the exact > motivations > > > were to remove community servers from quickplay, here are some general > > > solutions. > > > > > > - The play now option button should be labeled. The cancel button could > > be > > > moved to the top right and changed to X. > > > - After 4 hours of play, automatically check community servers. > > > - After 4 hours of play, switch the play multiplayer button with the > > > servers button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < > > > abdulk...@live.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > I doubt they will change the default option (since they can't > guarantee > > > > the server they are sent to, follows quickplay rules). > > > > > > > > @Fletcher Dunn - can you not make a compromise that would work for > both > > > > of us? I think having a notification/box pop up upon opening the > > > quickplay > > > > after having play X hours with default filters set - to alert the > user > > if > > > > they wish to expand their search filter to find community servers as > > well > > > > as valve servers (with an easy yes/no button). > > > > > > > > Sent from Blackberry. > > > > From: ics > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:44 > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > > Reply To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community > > Servers > > > > > > > > > > > > Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 > of > > > > the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. > > > > > > > > -ics > > > > > > > > Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: > > > > > Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. > > Everything > > > > but > > > > > stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has > > now > > > > > died completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < > > > > > invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > >> Very few players use the server browser
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
I've always noticed that during the holidays/summer you have more players, and at the end of the year to and the start of the year its still low. After that it goes up again. 2014-02-25 3:24 GMT+01:00 Weasels Lair : > Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other > games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. Looks like > game-play for most of the games goes up/down about the same percent at > about the same time. > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440q240q10q730&from=136169280&to=139322880 > > TF2 just seems to swing more wildly. > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Robert Paulson >wrote: > > > TF2 player counts have stagnated and even dropped a bit since January 23. > > > > > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time > > > > To Fletcher and any other Valve employee responsible for this change: > This > > change will harm TF2 popularity in the long run. Please don't put this on > > the back burner because it is destroying player-bases that took years to > > build. It takes a long time for a server to reach critical mass. > > > > There are very few people using quickpick or changing quickplay options. > We > > know this because quickplay connects remained at 7%, down from 30% before > > these changes. Since there is no communication what the exact motivations > > were to remove community servers from quickplay, here are some general > > solutions. > > > > - The play now option button should be labeled. The cancel button could > be > > moved to the top right and changed to X. > > - After 4 hours of play, automatically check community servers. > > - After 4 hours of play, switch the play multiplayer button with the > > servers button. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < > > abdulk...@live.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > I doubt they will change the default option (since they can't guarantee > > > the server they are sent to, follows quickplay rules). > > > > > > @Fletcher Dunn - can you not make a compromise that would work for both > > > of us? I think having a notification/box pop up upon opening the > > quickplay > > > after having play X hours with default filters set - to alert the user > if > > > they wish to expand their search filter to find community servers as > well > > > as valve servers (with an easy yes/no button). > > > > > > Sent from Blackberry. > > > From: ics > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:44 > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Reply To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community > Servers > > > > > > > > > Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 of > > > the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. > > > > > > -ics > > > > > > Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: > > > > Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. > Everything > > > but > > > > stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has > now > > > > died completely. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < > > > > invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > >> Very few players use the server browser or change the default > settings > > > when > > > >> looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom > maps > > > >> etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I > > > doubt > > > >> that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will > > > survive. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson < > > thepauls...@gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> This isn't really a big deal. > > > >>> > > > >>> As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our > > > players > > > >>> now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone > here > > > >> using > > > >>> Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. > > > >>> >
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Actually, if you plot that over the last 12 months, and throw some other games in for comparison ... it doesn't look related at all. Looks like game-play for most of the games goes up/down about the same percent at about the same time. http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440q240q10q730&from=136169280&to=139322880 TF2 just seems to swing more wildly. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Robert Paulson wrote: > TF2 player counts have stagnated and even dropped a bit since January 23. > > > http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time > > To Fletcher and any other Valve employee responsible for this change: This > change will harm TF2 popularity in the long run. Please don't put this on > the back burner because it is destroying player-bases that took years to > build. It takes a long time for a server to reach critical mass. > > There are very few people using quickpick or changing quickplay options. We > know this because quickplay connects remained at 7%, down from 30% before > these changes. Since there is no communication what the exact motivations > were to remove community servers from quickplay, here are some general > solutions. > > - The play now option button should be labeled. The cancel button could be > moved to the top right and changed to X. > - After 4 hours of play, automatically check community servers. > - After 4 hours of play, switch the play multiplayer button with the > servers button. > > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < > abdulk...@live.co.uk> wrote: > > > I doubt they will change the default option (since they can't guarantee > > the server they are sent to, follows quickplay rules). > > > > @Fletcher Dunn - can you not make a compromise that would work for both > > of us? I think having a notification/box pop up upon opening the > quickplay > > after having play X hours with default filters set - to alert the user if > > they wish to expand their search filter to find community servers as well > > as valve servers (with an easy yes/no button). > > > > Sent from Blackberry. > > From: ics > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:44 > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Reply To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers > > > > > > Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 of > > the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. > > > > -ics > > > > Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: > > > Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. Everything > > but > > > stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has now > > > died completely. > > > > > > > > > 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < > > > invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > > > > > >> Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings > > when > > >> looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps > > >> etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I > > doubt > > >> that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will > > survive. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson < > thepauls...@gmail.com > > >>> wrote: > > >>> This isn't really a big deal. > > >>> > > >>> As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our > > players > > >>> now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here > > >> using > > >>> Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. > > >>> > > >>> Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and > there's > > >> not > > >>> enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field > > with > > >>> official servers. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" > > >> option > > >>>> will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and > > >> they > > >>>> are aware of this.
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
TF2 player counts have stagnated and even dropped a bit since January 23. http://www.steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&jstime=1&appid=440&from=138856320&to=End+Time To Fletcher and any other Valve employee responsible for this change: This change will harm TF2 popularity in the long run. Please don't put this on the back burner because it is destroying player-bases that took years to build. It takes a long time for a server to reach critical mass. There are very few people using quickpick or changing quickplay options. We know this because quickplay connects remained at 7%, down from 30% before these changes. Since there is no communication what the exact motivations were to remove community servers from quickplay, here are some general solutions. - The play now option button should be labeled. The cancel button could be moved to the top right and changed to X. - After 4 hours of play, automatically check community servers. - After 4 hours of play, switch the play multiplayer button with the servers button. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < abdulk...@live.co.uk> wrote: > I doubt they will change the default option (since they can't guarantee > the server they are sent to, follows quickplay rules). > > @Fletcher Dunn - can you not make a compromise that would work for both > of us? I think having a notification/box pop up upon opening the quickplay > after having play X hours with default filters set - to alert the user if > they wish to expand their search filter to find community servers as well > as valve servers (with an easy yes/no button). > > Sent from Blackberry. > From: ics > Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:44 > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Reply To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers > > > Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 of > the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. > > -ics > > Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: > > Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. Everything > but > > stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has now > > died completely. > > > > > > 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < > > invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings > when > >> looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps > >> etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I > doubt > >> that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will > survive. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson >>> wrote: > >>> This isn't really a big deal. > >>> > >>> As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our > players > >>> now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here > >> using > >>> Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. > >>> > >>> Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's > >> not > >>> enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field > with > >>> official servers. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" > >> option > >>>> will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and > >> they > >>>> are aware of this. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dr. McKay > >>>> www.doctormckay.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to > >>>> communities > >>>>> and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go > >> to > >>> a > >>>>> community server). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < > >> abdulk...@live.co.uk > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community > >> Servers". > >>>>>> If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
I doubt they will change the default option (since they can't guarantee the server they are sent to, follows quickplay rules). @Fletcher Dunn - can you not make a compromise that would work for both of us? I think having a notification/box pop up upon opening the quickplay after having play X hours with default filters set - to alert the user if they wish to expand their search filter to find community servers as well as valve servers (with an easy yes/no button). Sent from Blackberry. From: ics Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:44 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Reply To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 of the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. -ics Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: > Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. Everything but > stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has now > died completely. > > > 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < > invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > >> Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings when >> looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps >> etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I doubt >> that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will survive. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson >> wrote: >>> This isn't really a big deal. >>> >>> As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our players >>> now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here >> using >>> Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. >>> >>> Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's >> not >>> enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field with >>> official servers. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" >> option >>>> will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and >> they >>>> are aware of this. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dr. McKay >>>> www.doctormckay.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to >>>> communities >>>>> and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go >> to >>> a >>>>> community server). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < >> abdulk...@live.co.uk >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community >> Servers". >>>>>> If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - >> If >>>> we >>>>>> don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers >>>> shouldn't >>>>>> get listed for "Community Servers". >>>>>> >>>>>> All other filters are 'default'. >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>> ___ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>> ___ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> ___ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Valve did nice job of alienating players from community servers. 2/4 of the 24 slot servers i run are now dead in the water. -ics Erik-jan Riemers kirjoitti: Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. Everything but stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has now died completely. 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings when looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I doubt that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will survive. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson wrote: This isn't really a big deal. As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our players now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here using Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's not enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field with official servers. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay wrote: If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" option will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and they are aware of this. Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to communities and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go to a community server). On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < abdulk...@live.co.uk wrote: Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If we don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers shouldn't get listed for "Community Servers". All other filters are 'default'. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Mine already died, only custom servers are still doing fine. Everything but stock.. after +- 6 years of having a successful stock server it has now died completely. 2014-02-19 17:39 GMT+01:00 Invalid Protocol < invalidprotocolvers...@gmail.com>: > Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings when > looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps > etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I doubt > that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will survive. > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson >wrote: > > > This isn't really a big deal. > > > > As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our players > > now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here > using > > Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. > > > > Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's > not > > enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field with > > official servers. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay > > wrote: > > > > > If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" > option > > > will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and > they > > > are aware of this. > > > > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > > > > > > > I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to > > > communities > > > > and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go > to > > a > > > > community server). > > > > > > > > > > > > On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi < > abdulk...@live.co.uk > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community > Servers". > > > > > > > > > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - > If > > > we > > > > > don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers > > > shouldn't > > > > > get listed for "Community Servers". > > > > > > > > > > All other filters are 'default'. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Very few players use the server browser or change the default settings when looking for playing a classic game (not prop-hunt, saxon, custom maps etc...). Now Quickplay sends almost all players to Valve servers. I doubt that many community servers running classic maps / gameplay will survive. On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Robert Paulson wrote: > This isn't really a big deal. > > As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our players > now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here using > Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. > > Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's not > enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field with > official servers. > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay > wrote: > > > If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" option > > will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and they > > are aware of this. > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > > > > > I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to > > communities > > > and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go to > a > > > community server). > > > > > > > > > On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". > > > > > > > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If > > we > > > > don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers > > shouldn't > > > > get listed for "Community Servers". > > > > > > > > All other filters are 'default'. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
This isn't really a big deal. As I predicted, just about no one uses quickpick. Only 5% of our players now are from quickplay and 1% use quickpick. I am sure everyone here using Doctor McKay's plugin can confirm this. Being the default for play now is too much of an advantage and there's not enough being done to put community servers on an even playing field with official servers. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Doctor McKay wrote: > If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" option > will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and they > are aware of this. > > > Dr. McKay > www.doctormckay.com > > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > > > I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to > communities > > and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go to a > > community server). > > > > > > On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi > >wrote: > > > > > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". > > > > > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If > we > > > don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers > shouldn't > > > get listed for "Community Servers". > > > > > > All other filters are 'default'. > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
This bug will be fixed in the next update. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Doctor McKay Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:30 AM To: Paul Lewis; Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" option will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and they are aware of this. Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to > communities and players if that's how they intended it to be (when > opting to go to a community server). > > > On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi >wrote: > > > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". > > > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - > > If we don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers > > shouldn't get listed for "Community Servers". > > > > All other filters are 'default'. > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
If any other option has "Don't care" chosen, the "Gameserver Host" option will be interpreted as "Don't care". I've already informed Valve and they are aware of this. Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Paul wrote: > I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to communities > and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go to a > community server). > > > On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi >wrote: > > > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". > > > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If we > > don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers shouldn't > > get listed for "Community Servers". > > > > All other filters are 'default'. > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
I agree, othrewise that kind of makes the whole idea unfair to communities and players if that's how they intended it to be (when opting to go to a community server). On 15 February 2014 19:06, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi wrote: > Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". > > If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If we > don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers shouldn't > get listed for "Community Servers". > > All other filters are 'default'. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] [hlds] Valve Only Servers in Community Servers
Valve servers are showing up when searching for "Community Servers". If this is "how it's meant to be", then that needs to be changed - If we don't get listed in 'Valve servers' option, then Valve Servers shouldn't get listed for "Community Servers". All other filters are 'default'. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
