Re: [hlds_linux] False positives
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Stefan Huszics wrote: > Anders Vinger wrote: > > > Well I know one thing that has been confirmed for sure, and that is Hlirc > > users being detected. > > Yes, obviously, since it hooks into the game. > Also if you read the EULA it clearly states that you are NOT allowed to > use any such programs (since CS 1.4). > > I would agree with that this program is very harmless (ie not a cheat), > the problem is just how do you differentiate between it and other > programs (read cheats) that will try to mimic it if VAC is made to > ignore logging a user for cheating when using HLirc. It is an interface to an IRC client. It's not a cheat as such, but could be concluded to be unsociable behaviour.. i.e. the same as looking at someone elses screen to see where your enemy are, or using external voice comms. HOWEVER, it's pretty similar to the tracker functionality available via Steam. john ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] False positives
Well, couldn't you just as well use Roger Wilco or similar to ghost if that was your goal.. /Gustaf - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives > > I would agree with that this program is very harmless (ie not a > cheat), > > the problem is just how do you differentiate between it and other > > programs (read cheats) that will try to mimic it if VAC is made to > > ignore logging a user for cheating when using HLirc. > > Plus, it IS possible to use it as a form of crude ghosting... > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
Hi stan, I have pasted my original my email below, a copy of which was sent to this list and to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed 28/8/2002 13:15: Can you help please? I joined my usual server (80.71.2.84:27016 [5SI]Public Smoking Shed) a few days ago and was kicked to console with the follwing message: * You have been automatically disconnected from this secure server because an illegal cheat was detected on your computer. Repeat violaters may be permanently banned from all secure servers. * screenshot: http://reidme.info/misc/vac_screeny.jpg It was a fresh install of CS that morning as I had installed the Merc pack the night before and found the player models too confusing and I'd lost the function of the variable crosshair to show aiming stability. I re-installed HL + CS, and backed up the sounds/sprites/models dirs and installed the Mercenary Pack v2.5 for Counter-Strike (http://clanfmc.xrs.net/). I replaced the models folder with the backup but kept the sprite and sound changes. I also downloaded HLirc (http://www.cscentral.com/hlirc/), which is an irc client for the Half Life console. These are the only two changes to my HL install. I unloaded the HLirc script from Mirc as soon as it happened. I went back to the server and I never got kicked again. Until the kick showed up on the servers stats page, and a few clan members pushed the CL to ban me from the server all together. Below are the specs of my system: WinXP Geforce 2 MX 64mb (using Detonator drivers) Athlon TBird 700mhz @ 133x7(933mhz) 256MB ram SBlive player 1024 Only other games installed are Red Alert II and Yuris revenge. The server in question is run by www.clan-hq.com Basically, some people now think I cheat, and they are wrong. I'd like them to know they are wrong. Reid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 September 2002 07:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. Paul, Can you post information about your config, so we might try to figure out why you were VAC'd? In the past, there have been problems with voodoo cards, WineX, and other things, in regards to VAC. Maybe if you post some specific information, we might be able to track down what caused this false positive. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com rcon admin at: Beer for Breakfast servers<http://bfb.bogleg.org/> 209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map) 209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD) 209.41.98.2:27017 (CS militia/dust2)Dallas, TX ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives
> I would agree with that this program is very harmless (ie not a cheat), > the problem is just how do you differentiate between it and other > programs (read cheats) that will try to mimic it if VAC is made to > ignore logging a user for cheating when using HLirc. Plus, it IS possible to use it as a form of crude ghosting... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
This is the biggest load of poppy-cock I've ever heard ... THE EARTH IS NOT ROUND! IT'S FLAT AS A BOARD! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Reid Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. It's easy for you to sit there and say 'there are no false positives', but you are wrong. I know for a fact that VAC has kicked me for cheating when I HAVE NEVER installed a cheat. You can sit there in your closed little world sniggering, it doesn't change the truth one little bit. You remind me of those people in the flat earth society, can't see the curve on the earth, so refuse to acknowledge the possibility that it exists. The most you CAN say is 'I am not aware of any false positives'. Reid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 0815*Sir Tom Sent: 02 September 2002 17:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] False positives.. we had 30 detections this weekend, we banned all the 30 people forever. only 2 people came to us, saying sorry for cheating and they will never do again...blablabla... none of them disagrees with the fact, that they were found cheating and kicked by VAC :-) i think, there are no "false positives" :-) - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. > > As I said though - perhaps this is the way global bans are enforced.. > > They get detected once (in his case, because of HLIRC) and then the > > system "detects" him as a cheater on the next connect because he was > > caught the first time.. Only Valve can answer that one, I guess.. > > Um, actually I can answer that one for you: that is ludicrous. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] False positives..
Interesting possibillity :| MoD, Always @ your service. - Original Message - From: "[EFR]The HEAD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. > uh.. i dont know if there already (checked my mails with another account > and deleted all of today) was this but a friend of me got detected. after > talking to him he said he has "solved" this problem. he told me that his > detection was caused by his firewall which blocks port 27011. this port is > now getting through and he is not detected any more. > anyone knows if this is true or not? > > HEAD > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
uh.. i dont know if there already (checked my mails with another account and deleted all of today) was this but a friend of me got detected. after talking to him he said he has "solved" this problem. he told me that his detection was caused by his firewall which blocks port 27011. this port is now getting through and he is not detected any more. anyone knows if this is true or not? HEAD ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
> sniggering Hey, that's OUR word! You've got NO right to use it! -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
It's easy for you to sit there and say 'there are no false positives', but you are wrong. I know for a fact that VAC has kicked me for cheating when I HAVE NEVER installed a cheat. You can sit there in your closed little world sniggering, it doesn't change the truth one little bit. You remind me of those people in the flat earth society, can't see the curve on the earth, so refuse to acknowledge the possibility that it exists. The most you CAN say is 'I am not aware of any false positives'. Reid. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 0815*Sir Tom Sent: 02 September 2002 17:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] False positives.. we had 30 detections this weekend, we banned all the 30 people forever. only 2 people came to us, saying sorry for cheating and they will never do again...blablabla... none of them disagrees with the fact, that they were found cheating and kicked by VAC :-) i think, there are no "false positives" :-) - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. > > As I said though - perhaps this is the way global bans are enforced.. > > They get detected once (in his case, because of HLIRC) and then the > > system "detects" him as a cheater on the next connect because he was > > caught the first time.. Only Valve can answer that one, I guess.. > > Um, actually I can answer that one for you: that is ludicrous. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] False positives..
we had 30 detections this weekend, we banned all the 30 people forever. only 2 people came to us, saying sorry for cheating and they will never do again...blablabla... none of them disagrees with the fact, that they were found cheating and kicked by VAC :-) i think, there are no "false positives" :-) - Original Message - From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] False positives.. > > As I said though - perhaps this is the way global bans are enforced.. > > They get detected once (in his case, because of HLIRC) and then the > > system "detects" him as a cheater on the next connect because he was > > caught the first time.. Only Valve can answer that one, I guess.. > > Um, actually I can answer that one for you: that is ludicrous. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives..
> As I said though - perhaps this is the way global bans are enforced.. > They get detected once (in his case, because of HLIRC) and then the > system "detects" him as a cheater on the next connect because he was > caught the first time.. Only Valve can answer that one, I guess.. Um, actually I can answer that one for you: that is ludicrous. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] False Positives?
Really? so there's NO WAY to play from linux??? -KnowHow- - Original Message - From: "Ove Kaaven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] False Positives? > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Dave Duncan wrote: > > > Has anyone had any False Positives? I have started to Ban on > > VAC detection and was just wondering if there have been any false hits that > > anyone knows of ? > > Sure. Currently, anyone that plays Counter-Strike on Linux (with Wine or > WineX) are detected as cheaters (as obviously the OpenGL libraries of > Wine/WineX and Linux are different from the ones on Windows). > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] False Positives?
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Dave Duncan wrote: > Has anyone had any False Positives? I have started to Ban on > VAC detection and was just wondering if there have been any false hits that > anyone knows of ? Sure. Currently, anyone that plays Counter-Strike on Linux (with Wine or WineX) are detected as cheaters (as obviously the OpenGL libraries of Wine/WineX and Linux are different from the ones on Windows). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives with the new secure module?
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 14:37, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > > How can you play Half Life in D3D or Software? > > The graphics in those settings are so lame. > > Wow, thanks for the tip, man. I'm sure everyone on this list was under > the impression that OpenGL sucks compared to software mode :roll: > > Seriously, you think if they KNEW better, it'd be the same situation? > Of course not. Not everyone is a veteran gamer, and even veteran gamers > can still be kinda ignorant when it comes to such things. Give them a > break. Educate and edify. > Just as not everyone has a gfx card that supports OpenGL > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] False positives with the new secure module?
> How can you play Half Life in D3D or Software? > The graphics in those settings are so lame. Wow, thanks for the tip, man. I'm sure everyone on this list was under the impression that OpenGL sucks compared to software mode :roll: Seriously, you think if they KNEW better, it'd be the same situation? Of course not. Not everyone is a veteran gamer, and even veteran gamers can still be kinda ignorant when it comes to such things. Give them a break. Educate and edify. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
