Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
-- On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100 Manuel Mausz [EMAIL PROTECTED] bubbled: ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac. the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread. libc thread? WTF? There is no libc thread... -- MyExcuse: Daemons did it Martin Zwickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Development TechnoTrend AG http://www.technotrend.de -- [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
The problem is as follows ... uhm ... first i'll try to explain the foretime behaviour: We already had three processes in one server: First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen Third proc.: the main process: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor architecture. Quite simple to boost the main process using renice to get a higher process priority. From now on something has changed to get five processes: First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen Third proc.: one of three main processes: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor architecture. Fourth proc.: fired up by third proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a real process, not only a thread Fifth proc.: fired up by fourth proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a real process, not only a thread I don't know which process to renice ... that's the problem. - Original Message - Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:09:42 +0100 From: Martin Zwickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting Organization: Technotrend AG Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com What's the problem with 3 processes?? I don't get the point! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
-- On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:47:02 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bubbled: The problem is as follows ... uhm ... first i'll try to explain the foretime behaviour: We already had three processes in one server: First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen Third proc.: the main process: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor architecture. Quite simple to boost the main process using renice to get a higher process priority. From now on something has changed to get five processes: First proc.: we launched a screen to attach and detach the console Second proc.: srcds_run was fired up by screen Third proc.: one of three main processes: srcds_amd was fired up by the srcds_run script due to the detection auf the processor architecture. Fourth proc.: fired up by third proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a real process, not only a thread Fifth proc.: fired up by fourth proc. ... don't know why and what ... it's a real process, not only a thread I don't know which process to renice ... that's the problem. What about nice?! Like set prio of -10: nice -n -10 ./srcds_run ... That whould give also the childs the prio. Another way: ps + grep + sed, or awk... So there is no real problem if you know the power of linux/unix! Martin -- MyExcuse: Temporal anomaly Martin Zwickel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Development TechnoTrend AG http://www.technotrend.de -- [ signature.asc of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac. the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread. manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
Every single hlds1 server I ahve ever ran takes 3 process ID's including the screen I run it on. JC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes. This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is not concerning each and every srcds installation. As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's forum) it seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version. I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to the VAC2 launch. Cheers, Glenn. - Original Message - From: Manuel Mausz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100 Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac. the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread. manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
The number of srcds entries returned by tools such as ps depends on the details of your kernel and threading library. SRCDS runs 2 threads, a main thread for all the game processing and a separate Steam communications thread. Most pthread implementations use a kernel process per thread, and internally use one process (thread) for internal thread management. So for srcds this would show up as 3 processes per game server instance. Other OS's (FreeBSD?) and newer kernels may change this threading model to not represent threads as full processes. - Alfred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes. This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is not concerning each and every srcds installation. As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's forum) it seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version. I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to the VAC2 launch. Cheers, Glenn. - Original Message - From: Manuel Mausz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100 Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac. the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread. manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting
fbsd will always display threads.. i don't think core@ will allow a change in that behavior. :) At 12:08 AM 12/8/2005, Alfred Reynolds wrote: The number of srcds entries returned by tools such as ps depends on the details of your kernel and threading library. SRCDS runs 2 threads, a main thread for all the game processing and a separate Steam communications thread. Most pthread implementations use a kernel process per thread, and internally use one process (thread) for internal thread management. So for srcds this would show up as 3 processes per game server instance. Other OS's (FreeBSD?) and newer kernels may change this threading model to not represent threads as full processes. - Alfred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if threads are visible as processes. This behaviour of multiple (three) processes is completely new and is not concerning each and every srcds installation. As far as i understand (after viewing the board threads in valve's forum) it seems to be an issue regarding to the installed linux version. I'm quite sure i had only one process in the foretime ... despite to the VAC2 launch. Cheers, Glenn. - Original Message - From: Manuel Mausz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:59 +0100 Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com ever heard of threads? - one thread is used for vac. the third (the first is the main proc) is the default glibc thread which comes up as soon as you fire up a thread. manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:05 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] Multiple srcds processes starting This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Alread posted in steam forum: --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=374038 --- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=375796 Same here running in a Debian Woody environment using updated glibc 2.3.2. Starting srcds will raise three server processes instead of only one. RCON quit will close all three processes. Next start will fire them up again. Second scrds is a child of first proc ... third is a child of second. Never seen this before in history. I guess only on process is enough and will not waste computing power. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
