Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
Not knowing if my server is updated or not, yeah i'm not that into hlds yet and everything. Is there some command which can be executed from the HLDS console (eg. with HLSW) so it will trigger a update of the secure module or at least check for a new version? Regards, kaln - Original Message - From: Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Half-Life Dedicated Server Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Half-Life Dedicated Linux Server Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Erik Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Leon Hartwig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02 *** This only affects Counter-Strike servers. *** We've updated the security modules again. Your Counter-Strike servers should update themselves automatically. If you find your servers are suddenly having problems (i.e. clients can't connect), try restarting the servers. There have been some situations where the servers and clients got into a state where they can't communicate properly (which falsely detects the client as a cheater). NOTE: Please take into account that we've had problems with false positives when considering whether to permanently ban a player who was detected. If your server experiences any problems updating to the latest security modules, please e-mail directly at (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks. Eric Smith VALVe ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
Eric Smith wrote: There have been some situations where the servers and clients got into a state where they can't communicate properly (which falsely detects the client as a cheater). NOTE: Please take into account that we've had problems with false positives when considering whether to permanently ban a player who was detected. Eric. Just how are we suppose to know the different between false and correct detects ? We have nothing to base this from. VAC still don't log what its detecting. The only one here not knowing is admins and clean players. Cheaters know what cheats they have installed. I have 15 CS servers. Full almost 24/7. Im part of a Norwegian bannlist system named Server Admins Agains Cheats. (SAMC http://raff.villmann.com/samc/). We are banning ALL VAC detected users permanently in this database. SAMC is used by almost ALL Norwegian servers. This means that a falsely detected user is permanently banned from almost all Norwegian servers. I have a lot of complaints from users saying they don't cheat. What can i do? , well what i do is to direct all this users to valve support. Im sure they is more able to decide if this is false or correct. IT MUST BE TIME for valve to share some info about this. AND its about time VAC log a reason for what it detects. If not - well keep make us banning clean users and i promise that they all stop playing this game. (clean users that is grrr) -- Vennlig hilsen / Best regards Børge Amundsen PS: Husk jeg får utrolig mye mail på denne kontoen. Når du replyer til meg, er det viktig at du tar med hele historikken slik at jeg skjønner hva mailen handler om. Signer mail med Navn og nick. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
I am not sure if I missed it or forgot, but is there an output file with VAC detections yet or do we have to make a grep Secure: *log vac.log to see the logged detections from the logfiles? HEAD At 18:26 17.06.02 -0700, you wrote: *** This only affects Counter-Strike servers. *** We've updated the security modules again. Your Counter-Strike servers should update themselves automatically. If you find your servers are suddenly having problems (i.e. clients can't connect), try restarting the servers. There have been some situations where the servers and clients got into a state where they can't communicate properly (which falsely detects the client as a cheater). NOTE: Please take into account that we've had problems with false positives when considering whether to permanently ban a player who was detected. If your server experiences any problems updating to the latest security modules, please e-mail directly at (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks. Eric Smith VALVe ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
Maybe they should have tested less popular MOD's than CS to try VAC, like TFC, and they would not tarnish their precious CS user base ; ) - Original Message - From: Tiscali Børge Amundsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02 Eric Smith wrote: There have been some situations where the servers and clients got into a state where they can't communicate properly (which falsely detects the client as a cheater). NOTE: Please take into account that we've had problems with false positives when considering whether to permanently ban a player who was detected. Eric. Just how are we suppose to know the different between false and correct detects ? We have nothing to base this from. VAC still don't log what its detecting. The only one here not knowing is admins and clean players. Cheaters know what cheats they have installed. I have 15 CS servers. Full almost 24/7. Im part of a Norwegian bannlist system named Server Admins Agains Cheats. (SAMC http://raff.villmann.com/samc/). We are banning ALL VAC detected users permanently in this database. SAMC is used by almost ALL Norwegian servers. This means that a falsely detected user is permanently banned from almost all Norwegian servers. I have a lot of complaints from users saying they don't cheat. What can i do? , well what i do is to direct all this users to valve support. Im sure they is more able to decide if this is false or correct. IT MUST BE TIME for valve to share some info about this. AND its about time VAC log a reason for what it detects. If not - well keep make us banning clean users and i promise that they all stop playing this game. (clean users that is grrr) -- Vennlig hilsen / Best regards Børge Amundsen PS: Husk jeg får utrolig mye mail på denne kontoen. Når du replyer til meg, er det viktig at du tar med hele historikken slik at jeg skjønner hva mailen handler om. Signer mail med Navn og nick. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
I for one support VAC and Valve. Nothing in life is perfect! If I have to reboot the server so be it. What is the big deal? OMG I had to reboot because valve released a new module to help me. Geez, the amount of crying is simply amazing! [pbc]ScumBucket Pirates Bloody Cove - Original Message - From: David Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02 IT MUST BE TIME for valve to share some info about this. AND its about time VAC log a reason for what it detects. If not - well keep make us banning clean users and i promise that they all stop playing this game. (clean users that is grrr) Concur 100% - Børge, I congratulate you for your banning efforts; I'm doing the same thing (though with not as many servers). As far as I'm concerned, if Valve Anti-Cheat says someone is cheating, then they're cheating. If Valve aren't going to provide any documentation to their software, then, well, bad luck - I'll be telling my users that they were banned because of (not by) the official anti-cheating mechanism, and if they have problems with that, they can take it up with someone else that isn't me. Sorry Valve guys, I appreciate your efforts but I'm not prepared to spend any more of my own time which I could be using to do other more interesting and useful things fixing your mistakes and covering for your problems. -- trog ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
Well that's not the problem here. I have no problem in rebooting the server. My problem is that this module update is coming when i sleep. Until im able to restart the server there might have been someone falsely detected from VAC. When i then get up and check, how the heck shoul i know if this is false or right ? craig kaiser wrote: I for one support VAC and Valve. Nothing in life is perfect! If I have to reboot the server so be it. What is the big deal? OMG I had to reboot because valve released a new module to help me. Geez, the amount of crying is simply amazing! [pbc]ScumBucket Pirates Bloody Cove -- Vennlig hilsen / Best regards Børge Amundsen PS: Husk jeg får utrolig mye mail på denne kontoen. Når du replyer til meg, er det viktig at du tar med hele historikken slik at jeg skjønner hva mailen handler om. Signer mail med Navn og nick. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules 06.17.02
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You could run a cron job in linux or an AT job in winnt/2k to restart the server... HTH, Ron snip rebooting the server. My problem is that this module update is coming when i sleep. Until im able to restart the server there might have been someone falsely detected from VAC. When i then get up and check, how the heck shoul i know if this is false or right ? snip ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
